Sorry Ass Bluedog Democrats scared to endorse Obama

[democracy1st]

because it may upset their voters, via MSNBC-they will endorse quietly. Just more BS from the same Dems that wanted to continue the Iraq War

[elehhhhna]

1. Ten bucks says Lampson's one of 'em. Want some syrup for that waffle, Nick?

[ananda]

2. Lol

Just call Lampson Delay light.

[Zynx]

4. Are you familiar with that district? He can't exactly be Barbara Boxer there.

[TBF]

21. I live in Nick's district and I've got to say we will be pleased as punch

locally if he can hold the seat. It is slim pickins' down here. But, yes, I assume he's for Obama and he doesn't want the backlash.

[elehhhhna]

38. I worked for his campaign. He's a sellout. He should be ashamed.

[redqueen]

3. Blue Dogs are worse than the DLC. (nt)

[Zynx]

5. The thing is we will probably have a bunch more of them after the election this fall.

The majority we have in Congress will have a considerable conservative component.

[Selatius]

9. That's not a good thing in terms of passing progressive legislation. Not good at all.

The agenda would be a watered down, half-assed solution if there are too many Blue Dogs and DLCers pulling the agenda rightward, towards status quo.

[redqueen]

10. What makes you think so?

MT's Brian Schweitzer is from a red state, and he manages not to be a repuke light backstabbing bastard.

:shrug:

[Zynx]

31. We already added two in the special elections so far this year.

We've run out of left-leaning districts to pick off seats in.

[redqueen]

33. How many left-leaning districts elected governor Schweitzer?

Seriously... populist = win.

[Zynx]

36. Populism is a very broad spectrum.

It can include right-leaning populists as well.

[newmajority]

6. Just in case these "blue dogs" or their staffers are reading....

Step up to the plate NOW. Because if you cause that sick senile piece of shit John McCain to win this election, YOUR asses are gone.

We brought the Clintons down. We can bring YOU down.

Don't fuck with us.

[pnwmom]

11. What a lame threat.

These people aren't in districts where people like you have any power.

[redqueen]

14. What districts are those?

How different are they? Compared to... say... the state of Montana?

[harun]

39. They're in my district. My Blue Dog Dem Rep supported Obama

here though.

Blue Dog's need to know the fiscal conservative stuff is fine, but the anti-Obama crap aint going to fly. The Blue Dog Dem rep here won by only a few hundred votes. My neighborhood/town being the one that voted most in favor of him in the whole county. If we want him out he is gone, not even that hard to do.

[TBF]

23. Heh. You made me lol. But you'd best be careful saying that down here

in Texas. Half the suburban moms I know carry handguns in their Louis Vuitton bags. (I'm in Lampson's district)

[Selatius]

7. They suffer from lack of vision. If they were populists, they'd win over their voters.

As it stands, many of them play the "middle-of-the-road" card. As a result, voters can't really say that they stand for much except the status quo with a few minor changes. A populist would come across as somebody people know who does take a stand on something, such as jobs and the economy.

A liberal probably couldn't win districts in states like Texas or Mississippi, but a populist who emphasizes economic opportunities for working class folks might set a brush fire of support.

[redqueen]

16. THANK YOU!

I'm so fucking sick of the excuses.

Christ... talk about kool aid!

[tnlefty]

24. I'll take this a bit further...

A populist message would help, along with taking stands that are in favor of the people - educating the people wouldn't hurt either. Voters can't tell the difference and vote for the real republican because it's what they know.

I'll never forget being in the car listening to Prof. Lakoff on Ring of Fire and he was running down the candidates and the results of the Senate races in '06. He mentioned that even the more socially conservative dems who had run had carried a populist message with the exception of Harold Ford, Jr. I didn't care for Ford, Jr., but I worked hard to try to get him elected because we needed change in the country, and that would only happen with majorities in the House and Senate.

Anyhoo, I was pulling into the liquor store parking lot and banged my head on the steering wheel, bought an extra bottle of wine and drove home still wanting to bang my head on the steering wheel. Head banging while driving isn't safe!

edit to add: candidates and results of the

[MessiahRp]

40. This is a great post...

And to be honest the liberal message IS the populist message because we speak to a much broader group of people. Republicans cater to one type of people... the super rich. They spin social issues they don't do much about (aside from Gay Marriage) to trick people but in all honesty our message is one that connects with people. It's very easy to relate to people when we share such common goals and interests with them.

I just think that Blue Dogs are too cowardly to have real beliefs or stances because all they care about is obtaining power rather than making any real change. Not to mention it's these idiots that make people say lines like, "I can't tell the two parties apart, they're too alike". So they vote for the geniune scumbag because at least they know what he stands for rather than the new scumbag who is pandering to the exact same positions the genuine scumbag already supports.

It's giving people no choices really.

Rp

[pnwmom]

8. We need every Bluedog Democrat in the Senate to retain our majority,

which is the only way to have Democratic committee heads.

We should be glad for every Bluedog Democrat that we have. Better a Bluedog than a Rethug, by far.

[democracy1st]

13. absolutely but they should get behind the nominee 100%

what your voters think shouldn't have anything to do with this endorsement

[pnwmom]

18. If you don't respect your voters that's a good way to lose the next election.

As it is, your OP said that they will be endorsing him. That's enough for now.

[newmajority]

25. Does that include the ones who constantly vote with the Repukes

The Nelson twins and Mary Landrieu, for example.

And yes I'm well aware of whom Ben Nelson endorsed. I still don't like him.

[pnwmom]

26. Yes, because unlike the Republicans, the Bluedog Democrats

contribute to the slim majority that gives us control of every committee in the Senate.

[newmajority]

27. Doesn't matter if we can't get legislation passed

Because "our own" senators vote against us.

[pnwmom]

29. Tell that to John Conyers and anyone else who is pursuing investigations. n/t

[newmajority]

30. Exactly my point

CHIMPEACHMENT should have been the very first thing on the agenda in the 2007 congress. But the damn blueballs wouldn't stand behind it.

[pnwmom]

35. It wasn't their decision. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

32. Mary Landrieu has done a wonderful job fighting for Katrina relief

And making sure that veterans get the benefits that they deserve. It's easy to see moderate Democrats as no different from Republicans when you only pay attention to the hot-button issues. On the less visible issues, many of these Blue Dogs do some very good things.

[Thrill]

12. BS. Byrd, Rockefeller, Mckaskill, etc..have endorsed. More BS from MSM

[shifting_sands]

17. are you saying they haven't

Byrd, McCaskill and Rockafeller have endorsed weeks ago

[Thrill]

20. No I'm saying they have endorsed. Which means no Blue Dogs are scared.

[MaineDem]

15. I wondered if Michaud from ME would endorse

He quickly endorsed Edwards but he's been playing a funny game since JRE got out of the race.

I think he'll be a holdout.

[SoxFan]

44. He endorsed today

He was a big Edwards guy, so I can understand his hesitance. I also know that several Dogs are Hillary supporters who are still tending to their battle scars, so I don't have an issue with giving them a bit of time.

[billyoc]

19. Let 'em go last, then.

:shrug:

[olkaz]

22. I'll take a blue dog over a Republican.

I think it's important to recognize that these guys almost always represent a solidly red electorate. Even though they may not side with the progressive side of the party, they are usually reliable on the big stuff.

And there is a big difference between DLC and BD's. There is overlap, but they are not the same group.

[pdxmom]

28. I can't figure out why my Senator, Wyden, hasn't endorsed anyone

yet. It's time for him to step up and I've told him so.

[sandnsea]

34. His health care plan

He said it's because he doesn't want anyone to mistake his endorsement for belief in one health care plan over the other. At this point I think that's a pretty lame excuse. All he has to say is he respects where his constituents are at. I'm pretty disappointed in him too.

[smalll]

37. Yeah fuck all those declasse Bluedog Democrats in their sorry-ass downscale states.

We're out for "new and better Democrats" now with Obama! Whole Foods Democrats! Anyone who doesn't have the wherewithal or the class to spend twice as much on their food as anyone else doesn't deserve to be with Democrats 2.0. Obama is bringing CHANGE to the Democratic Party -- in a decade (or less) we'll be the party of the rich and the Repukes will be the party of the poor (except this time the cool kids rather than the country club dorks will be the richies, so it's all good.) :eyes: :sarcasm: :eyes:

[cbc5g]

41. According to Rep. Clyburn they receive racist death threats from Hill people when they endorse Obama

Many of Hill's supporters are fuming that a black man beat her. I wonder if any supers received sexist death threats when they endorsed Hillary? DOUBT IT!

[SoxFan]

42. Bullshit

Patrick Murphy: endorsed Obama 8/23/07
Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin: endorsed Obama 2/26
Jim Cooper: endorsed Obama
John Barrow: endorsed Obama 2/28
Sanford Bishop: endorsed Obama
Artur Davis: endorsed Obama 12/01/07
Gabrielle Giffords: endorsed Obama
Adam Schiff: endorsed Obama 1/09
Earl Pomeroy: endorsed Obama 1/31
Dennis Moore: endorsed Obama
David Scott: endorsed Obama 2/14
John Salazar: endorsed Obama
Mike Michaud: endorsed Obama
Baron Hill: endorsed Obama 4/30
Melissa Bean: endorsed Obama
Ben Chandler: endorsed Obama 4/29
Dennis Cardoza: endorsed Obama 5/23
Jim Costa: endorsed Obama 5/23
Joe Donnelly: endorsed Obama

[loyalsister]

43. How many are following their districts?

As an Obama supporter, I was impressed that Tim Johnson switched from Obama to Clinton last night because his state won.
I think it is good for SDs to follow the wishes of their voters.

Now that Obama has officially won enough delegates, I see no reason to be concerned about pushing SDs considering the problems that could arise if the whole SD system is challenged at the convention, etc.
I say, let sleeping dogs lie.

[SoxFan]

45. Link or shut up

Nearly every member of the Blue Dog caucus has endorsed Obama or Hillary already.

Some of Obama's earliest congressional backers (Artur Davis, Patrick Murphy) were Blue Dogs.

Many Blue Dogs have been impressed by Obama's work on earmark reform and budgetary transparency.

This idea that Blue Dogs are somehow guilty of stiffing Obama simply doesn't square with the facts. If you check the facts, you will see that Blue Dogs are no less or more likely to support Obama than members of the Progressive Caucus.