Looks like the Democratic party will have the Dream Team!

[Dems4HowardDean]

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DEMS win in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[my2sense]

1. I think

that would quickly turn into a nightmare.

[Dems4HowardDean]

3. Nightmare for the Republicans

[bunnies]

48. Nightmare for everyone that worked their asses of for an Obama win.

Nightmare for everyone that wants a new kind of politics.
Nightmare for everyone sick of dynasties.
Nightmare for everyone who wants the DLC to get the hell out of our lives.
Nightmare for everyone who doesnt want a hawk in the whitehouse.
Nightmare for everyone who doesnt want the Bill Clinton foot-in-mouth machine on the campaign trail.

Need I go on?

[Shoelace]

80. what? you won't vote for Obama if she's his VP choice?

please, please say it isn't so. Better to be a goodwill ambassador for Obama than a divider of our party. That is the bottom line. If the Supers figure that is the way we win in November, so be it.

[bunnies]

83. I didnt say I wouldnt.

But it would break my heart.

[Shoelace]

84. after her speech tonight, I don't think we need to worry

it was not a gracious moment for her speech to have not included praise for Obama as he did for her. But no matter, everybody I know including myself will let nothing stop us from voting for him.

[mirrera]

100. I agree.

What is the opposite of "I got your back"? Oh I know, "Watch your back!"

Barack Obama and Michelle Obama are way too smart to do something so stupid. I think it is going to be Richardson. Hispanic, statesman, and they trust each other.

[movonne]

51. Nightmare for us as supporters of Obama...if he is pressured into

taking her as vp this will take a big amount of my joy away...

[ej510]

4. Fuck That!

[WA98296]

2. The GOP dream, Democratic nightmare

[AzDar]

9. Precisely.

:thumbsup:

[Andy823]

50. Once again

I agree with you!

[MrCoffee]

5. Dream Team???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


whooooooo, I needed that.

[peacebird]

6. please (gaa-ack...) I just finished eating.....

the thought of Hillary as VP.... After her horrific behaviour? :puke:

[BlooInBloo]

7. Uh.... no it doesn't.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. I don't think so

anyone who lusts after power that much needs to be kept as far away from it as possible.

[bicentennial_baby]

10. Oui!

:hi:

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Dream Ticket Toon from England from last month

[greguganus]

65. LMAO! n/t

[PatGund]

12. Dream Team.....

For the GOP, yes.

For the Democratic Party, hell no.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. I've only had worse dreams than that after a night of beer and kimchee.

[TexasObserver]

14. no it doesn't

[Matariki]

15. I think it would be great. Time to get over bitterness and get to work.

[movonne]

54. Who's bitterness...it will make me bitter..

[Bright Eyes]

16. We can do better.

[mod mom]

17. YES WE CAN!

[stillcool]

66. I second that...

[burythehatchet]

18. OK you're on "pre-ignore". Another post like that earns you a one way ticket

to Hillville, where all the members love each other and no inadequate black men are allowed.

[Dems4HowardDean]

23. I voted for Obama but I think he needs Hillary to

unite the party again.

[movonne]

55. No he dosen't ...

[Gore1FL]

19. Obama Edwards or Obama Sebelius?

[Dems4HowardDean]

27. I like Edwards until he dropped out. I think Edwards would bring

about 10 percent more voters out verses about 40 percent for Hillary.

[Gore1FL]

41. Isee hillry as a lightning rod for the right.

I am worried the other 30% might come out for McCain. That's just my thoughts. I have no evidence that is what would happen, but I have to admit it worries me.

My other concern is it presents an contradiction in his message of change. Rarely have candidates picked a VP from their field of competitors.

Kerry Did
Bush did not
Gore Did not
Clinton did not
Dole did not
Bush I did not
Dukakis did not
Reagan did
Carter did not
Ford did not
etc..

There isn't a real precedent for doing so, and I am not personally keen on a double Senator ticket. If Clinton got the nod, I would not have been for a Clinton/Obama ticket either.

[grantcart]

20. How presumptive and I am open to Hillary but this type of pushing the nominee out of the

way on his day of victory is really churlish and unsettling.

If Hillary Clinton can't allow Obama to have his victory then how can she sit back and let him be President and follow his lead.

I think you reflect HRC's interest exactly and it makes me less open to this nightmare.

[snappyturtle]

47. I think Sen. Clinton would push her mother out of the way at this point.

She's the 'old' school of Washington,D.C. Sen. Obama doesn't need her baggage. The repukes would play back for us all the disparaging comments she has made about Sen.Obama throughout this campaign.

The scenario I could see is this: Hillary is added to the ticket and it loses. Then in 2012 she runs again while blaming Obama for the 2008 loss because he was at the top of the ticket. imho

[cbayer]

21. What a great picture!

I am so hopeful for this. How historic!

[TahitiNut]

22. In high school, Hillary would've put a "Kick Me" sign on his back.

The "more expereinced" Hillary is putting a "Shoot Me" sign on his back.

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Only if he wouldn't beg her to be Class V.P.

[mitchum]

44. Along with a "Vote Goldwater" bumper sticker

[HCE SuiGeneris]

110. Ouch!

Her whistling skills above 20,000 Hz have become quite proficient I've heard.

[KillCapitalism]

24. I hope it happens.

An Obama/Clinton ticket is the only way we're going to beat McCain. Beating McCain is all that matters in November, we don't want 4 more years of Bush.

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Wrong. Hillary adds no democrats to the voting base, but loses

huge numbers of independents and crossover republicans who would otherwise vote for Obama. Also, her being on the ticket would galvanize the republican base which is less than enthusiastic about McCain, turning them out to vote against the Dem ticket.

It would be an unmitigated disaster.

But she wouldn't care - she knows her career is over, and she would happily drag down the guy who ended it.

[Mike L]

25. If Obama says no, he suffers the fallout.

I like HRC's political smarts.

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. What fallout? From whom?

She's lost. She doesn't get to dictate terms. Her supporters, if they are actually Democrats, will back the nominee. He only looks weak by caving to pressure to put her on the ticket, and she brings nothing. There may be a fanatical core of rabid Clintonites who won't vote for him without her on the ticket, but they are few in comparison to those who will unite to vote against four more years of failed policy.

[Mike L]

36. From many HRC supporters and women in general. em

[Spider Jerusalem]

37. Comparatively few in number next to those who will accept reality.

And what if he chooses Kathleen Sebelius as VP?

[JeanGrey]

98. Gee I'm a woman and all of my friends are women and we're

voting for Obama, and we can't stand Hillary. HE DOESN'T NEED HER and after her horrible speech, she isn't going to be offered it. If he does, he is a fool.

[eridani]

94. What political smarts?

You caon't beat Repubs using Repub talking points and framing. Given that she had the money, the name recognition and 150 superdelegates before a single vote had even been cast, it takes a whole new level of FAIL in order to lose.

[Zavulon]

28. God, NO.

Just as I thought we were getting rid of her.

I'm going to be sick. :puke:

[Phx_Dem]

29. Only in your dreams.

or when hell freezes over. Bill wouldn't pass the vetting process with his dubious dealings with foreign countries and shady library donors, not to mention all his questionable last-minute pardons connected to library and campaign donations, his personal "antics" (for lack of a better word) aboard the "Fuck Jet" and the incredibly nasty comments about Obama from both Clintons. They've made it very easy for Barack to say, "gee, thanks but no thanks."

[newmajority]

33. Fuck Jet??

:rofl: :rofl:

Does that sound like a B-52's song in the making or what?

[MrsT]

35. OT but I like the new B-52s single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEXUqWK8A4I

[newmajority]

38. Yeah, I posted this one in a Lounge thread yesterday

I think it's the best single they've had in 20 years, but I've heard mixed reviews of the rest of the album.

[Phx_Dem]

75. Yeah.

That's the name Burkel and his friends made up for his party plane. I couldn't even make that up. Classy huh?

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/slate-rumors-of-more-monicas.html

Pages 103 and 104: Clinton and Ron Burkle, the supermarket magnate, have been buddies since 1992. Felsenthal repeats the old rumor that "Burkle and Clinton are … partners in philandering." She also quotes an unnamed source alleging that "Burkle and Clinton spend time together doing things that Hillary would not want made public" and reports that Burkle calls his private plane "Fuck Jet."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807

[newmajority]

31. HELL no!

And I believe you're a Deaniac like I believe Hillary would make a good pResident.

No true Deaniac would willingly keep the 50 ton boat anchor of the DLC attached to this party.

[reggie the dog]

32. then she would really be waiting for the assassination to happen

Coming in second does not equal VP.

Especially when she already said McCain would make a better president than Obama.

[NorthCarolina]

39. Precisely. Obama better live in a flak jacket if he chooses her as his VP

but personally, I think he's smarter than that.

Time to put the Clinton legacy to bed and start fresh America. Fired up..Ready to go!

[NanceGreggs]

34. Nope.

Obama has proven himself as a man who consistently looks forward - an impossible task when you have to simultaneously watch your back.

[cbc5g]

40. As an Obama supporter I think the OP is right

There are just too many people the Clintons have convinced in believing that Obama is sexist.

[texas_indy]

42. Nope, nightmare ticket for Obama and defeat for Democrats.....but at least

HRC could run again in 4 years.......gosh, could that be what she really wants?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. Any Clear Minded Democrat Should Be Hoping So. It's The #1 Way To Ensure Victory At This Point.

Caveat: No, I don't expect the Obama zealots to agree blah blah blah. Get over yourselves.

[Spider Jerusalem]

46. Explain how it guarantees victory.

Explain why putting someone whose polling nevatives have a BOTTOM of 45%, who is viewed as untrustworthy by nearly two-thirds of the electorate, who is a divisive and polarising figure whose presence on the ticket will ensure Republicans who don't like McCain turning out to vote AGAINST her, who alienates independents, guarantees victory. Could you lay that out for me? Because I just don't see it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. You Must've Missed My Caveat.

[Spider Jerusalem]

58. I'm not a zealot, I'm a realist.

Don't dodge the question. Explain how, with all her negatives, her presence on the ticket guarantees victory.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. You Must've Missed My Caveat.

[Spider Jerusalem]

64. Perhaps you should get over yourself then?

You can't answer, can you? You have no counter to the arguments I've presented. Evading the discussinon is a clear illustration of that fact. You're just won't admit it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. You Must've Missed My Caveat.

[Spider Jerusalem]

70. Simple yes or no. Can you actually respond?

It doesn't look like it.

And--what of Bill Clinton's post-presidential business deals, his undisclosed library donors, his less-than-savoury private life? These are all important considerations in selecting a VP; why does picking Clinton either make sense or guarantee victory? I am asking an honest question, and your only response is cowardly evasion. Grow a spine and respond, if you can.

[americanstranger]

73. What about Hillary starring in the forthcoming McCain ad?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UxDLKUeoJm0

Would not do to have our VP candidate pimping their Presidential candidate, would it?

- as

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

76. You Must've Missed My Caveat.

[Spider Jerusalem]

79. Your inability to respond is up-front for everyone to see, though.

You have no argument; you're only reinforcing the fact that you have no argument by avoiding questions you can't answer.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. You Must've Missed My Caveat.

[The Doctor.]

103. You haven't sought counselling... have you?

Please consider it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

111. I told you I was a realist.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/05/barackobama.hillaryclinton2

http://www.examiner.com/x-243-Progressive-Politics-Examiner~y2008m6d4-The-Deal-Breaker

[reggie the dog]

86. you sound like a grade school kid with their hands over their ears

[The Doctor.]

102. I'm worried about him.

[mvd]

74. I think it has more positives than negatives

I offered my opinion of some choices here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6249595#6250717

Clark would also be reasonable, but I prefer Edwards as a Presidential candidate.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. I'd Love Biden.

For the life of me I still can't figure out why he never grew any legs during the early stages of the primaries. I thought in the early debates, he outshined the rest by a mile. That's one smart and capable cookie right there.

[Fox Mulder]

49. That's not my dream team.

My dream team is Kucinich/Gore or Gore/Kucinich.

[greguganus]

67. Nothing would get done. Too much time spent pulling Bill off of interns. n/t

[high density]

52. Which one of these people doesn't belong?

Oh yeah, the it's one on the left that campaigned like Buscho.

[cottonseed]

53. Cool. Full employment for Lanny, Penn, Wolfson, Ickes, and the whole DLC gang!

If it was just Hillary I'd be a bit more open to it. With the two candidates being pretty even on policy, the person I was voting against this Primary season was not Hillary, it was the guys in my subject line.

I mean, do I really want Begala and Carville speaking for this administration for the next 8 years?

[cloudbase]

56. Obama's first exercise of power

should be to drop the hammer on Clinton. She either gets in line and keeps her ambition under wraps or pays the price for not doing so. The time for worrying about hurt feelings is over. Time to get to work on taking back the presidency.

[michaz]

59. NO! Simply no!!

[kenny blankenship]

60. Next time a stranger offers you mushrooms,

don't eat them.

[cynatnite]

62. I hope so...not holding my breath, though n/t

[greguganus]

63. Bullshit flamebait. n/t

[Carrieyazel]

68. More like a nightmare ticket. It will ensure a McCain victory.

[americanstranger]

71. Yeah, right. Starring in the McCain ads...

...the Democratic VP candidate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UxDLKUeoJm0

(That was posted to UTube by the RNC.)

Nah. Gah. Happa.

- as

[ccharles000]

72. Obama/Clinton

:party:

[canadian_is_cold]

77. It would be the biggest mistake ever!

[Imagevision]

81. I wonder if Hillary has learned anything from her defeat???

[Individualist]

85. That dream team will exist only in your dreams

[SoCalDem]

87. If you like dreams where you wake up in a cold sweat,

having dreamt that someone was trying to KILL you..:eyes:

[Raine]

88. THAT is a nightmare ticket...

it's only a dream for McCain.

[mrbluto]

89. Those two guys in the background are running?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[symbolman]

90. Obama would be better off if he tied a dead animal around his neck

and let it rot OFF while he runs in the GE...

Seriously.

[Mira]

91. Great picture - but the association will never happen. I don't think Michelle will have it.

[Meshuga]

92. I hope that is not the ticket

But if it happens to be I will gladly vote for it. :-)

[Douglas Carpenter]

93. Only 12 hours ago I wrote a post urging people to understand that Hillary is really not so bad

Hillary was narcissistic, shameless, classless, treacherous.............

Only a few hours ago I wrote a post urging people to understand that Hillary is really not so bad and perhaps she wouldn't be that bad of a V.P.nominee:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6251816

Her shameful behavior has left me completely speechless

[scheming daemons]

95. This thread started and endorsed by the McCain campaign

[mdmc]

96. nightmare

[saltpoint]

97. After her non-concession address last night I think the "dream team"

scenario is still possible but less likely.

I'm actively rooting against it.

[wildflowergardener]

99. No

I really hope that doesn't happen. I prefer the idea of supreme court justice for Hillary - or some other cabinet position, since that, obviously can't happen immediately.

Meg

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

101. Does she want it?

There's some compelling math here. Between the two, 35 million Americans have already voted for one or the other. Assuming that supporters from both sides would vote for the combined ticket, that's a whole mess of votes. And it's enough to make Ohio and Florida and possibly Virgina and Missouri on the Democratic side -- it's hard to argue with a potential landslide. There would have to be some pretty compelling reason to say no to her, assuming she wants the gig.

[info being]

104. Give me a break

I'm so tired of her I can't even look at the left side of that pic.

[Unbowed]

105. I only have those kinds of dreams if I fall asleep watching the SciFi channel. n/t

[Catherina]

106. Lol. I'll bet you wish but ain't gonna happen. Operation Chaos is over n/t

[boppers]

107. I know of a certain man with a 50 state strategy...

Who might be interested in the job.....


:evilgrin:

[Beacool]

108. Actually..............

they look quite good together.

[goletian]

109. no. remember what happened to kennedy when he took lbj?

nah... im gonna have to pass on that kinda unity ticket...