Anyone who doubts Clinton is a VP consideration is NOT THINKING CLEARLY.

[LibraLiz1973]

Do you want to win this thing?
If you answered yes, then it's a no-brainer.
They each have basically the same amount of votes from the primaries.
Clearly they both have ardent supporters.

I think that if they both want to sew this thing up and make John McCain more of a non-issue than he already is,
they throw in together IMMEDIATELY and start campaigning hard.
Hell, announce some of the people they would bring on board in the new administration.
John Edwards as Attorney General, Bill Richardson as Secretary of State, Joe Biden as Head of the Treasury,
Wes Clark as Head of Homeland Security. Of course, I'm just throwing names out there of people that (I hope)
we all agree are extremely valuable to our party.

My real point is to start telling the American people that they are ready to rock & they've got a kick ass crew to do it with.

[Spider Jerusalem]

1. Questions on this, copy/paste from another responnse (typing the same thing gets tiresome):

Explain why putting someone whose polling nevatives have a BOTTOM of 45%, who is viewed as untrustworthy by nearly two-thirds of the electorate, who is a divisive and polarising figure whose presence on the ticket will ensure Republicans who don't like McCain turning out to vote AGAINST her, who alienates independents, guarantees victory. Could you lay that out for me? Because I just don't see it.

[Dollface]

25. I'm an independent and I'm not alienated. Of course I'm also a "Bush Hater" a la O'Lielly

[Lucky 13]

2. NO WAY.

The Republicans are already running ads with her criticizing him. It's over. She gets nothing.

[PoliticalAmazon]

3. GOP is running ads starrting Hillary and her anti-Obama statements....

She also used assassination as a campaign strategy.

Consider the vetting process over. She is unsuitable to be a Democrat, and certainly unsuitable to be within 2 miles of Obama.

[LibraLiz1973]

7. No, the press and certain Obama supporters used it

She did not.

[Lucky 13]

12. No. the REPUBLICANS made ads featuring the old clips of her.

[NYCGirl]

21. The GOP is running ads featuring Clinton playing up McCain and herself.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/03/republicans-begin-to-highlight-clinton%e2%80%99s-criticism-of-obama/

[blm]

35. GOP is running the ads RIGHT NOW and have been for a week in some cities.

Wise up. Know what the hell you're talking about before you run your mouth off.

[PoliticalAmazon]

61. The GOP are running ads. Not Obama supporters. Not the media....

This is Hillary's sodomization of the Democratic Party. No one else's.

[az chela]

11. She is a mcsame lover

[sniffa]

15. Ah, one of the lunatic dead-enders

Level 2 kicks ass!!1!

[Window]

57. ..

:thumbsup:

[sniffa]

63. With those people, there's no need to coddle

There hasn't been for months now, but now it's "officially" over, so fuck them.

[Window]

64. True that sniffa.

[MrsBrady]

4. amen n/t

[polichick]

5. Clinton (on the ticket) loses more votes than she gains - and energizes the other side...

The Clinton era is OVER!

[Swamp Rat]

6. Yes, so anyone BUT Hillary!

[corkhead]

8. Obama is going to win without her "help"

[LibraLiz1973]

14. I seriously doubt it

I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative, so don't read it that way.
I just really don't think he can.

[corkhead]

38. I am not trying to be rude or argumentative myself, but I, and millions of others like me

intend to prove you wrong.

...but in a good way.:toast:

[Window]

59. Hear, hear.

:thumbsup:

[adoraz]

9. The only "no brainer"

is that she would kill our chances and this shitty circus with Hill and Bill will continue in the news media until November.

They will scare away Independents as well as rally up the Republicans.

I do agree though, that she is being considered.

[JVS]

10. She has made a farce out of herself in the past 2 months and burned many bridges.

She's not an ideal choice by far.

[Boo Boo]

13. Hillary would be the proverbial poop in the punchbowl. Just say "no." /nt

[gateley]

16. The only voters she'd bring are her supporters --

it's not as though the Independents and Republicans think highly of her.

We've got to appeal to EVERYONE, not just disappointed members of our own party.

[LibraLiz1973]

26. Yeah... screw the millions of people who helped her win the popular vote

:banghead:

[Spider Jerusalem]

32. Except she didn't win the popular vote.

Caucus states aren't counted in her campaign's bogus claims of winning the 'popular vote'. And the popular vote is an irrelevancy in a mixed primary/caucus system where the nomination is determined by delegates won.

[LibraLiz1973]

39. No, they count

Perhaps they don't count as they should have, if they had chosen to participate properly in the primary- BUT-
they are still AMERICANS and their votes will still count in Nov.
So I think writing them off is kind of weird.

[Spider Jerusalem]

44. What the hell are you talking about?

I said that Clinton's bogus numbers don't include caucus states. I said NOTHING about either Florida or Michigan. Take the time to read what you're responding to.

[LibraLiz1973]

46. Yes, and by that count she STILL won the popular vote.....

[Spider Jerusalem]

48. Not if you give Obama the percentage of 'uncommitted' in Michigan he got according to exit polls.

On edit: Real Clear Politics numbers, with MI uncommitted for Obama , with estimates for caucus states added: Obama, 17,961,505; Clinton, 17,916,838.

[Window]

60. No. She did not. Just because she says she did, doesn't mean it's gospel. She did not win the

popular vote, except with Clinton math. Period.

[high density]

52. Umm, a caucus was a "proper" way to particpate

And four of the caucus states reported NO POPULAR VOTE. The popular vote simply does not exist in the Democratic presidential nominee process.

[gateley]

66. I didn't mean it that way -- I'm sorry. nt

[FrenchieCat]

Today is not about Hillary Clinton. Today is about the future of our party.....

and the future of America.

Please show us some respect for at least one day!

[LibraLiz1973]

28. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Congratulations on your candidates win!

[cbc5g]

17. Time for the harsh feelings to end - it was a tough fight but she commands many voters

She must be considered..and im die hard for Obama.


He should double his security team if shes on the ticket though ;)

[tokenlib]

18. We need a few weeks for the pressure to wear off...

Hillary has the among the highest negatives of any politician in the country. I sure hope for someone else..

[Why Syzygy]

19. No, you're not. GOP is using HER WORDS in THEIR ADS. No fucking thanks.

[cbc5g]

22. And that will be the #1 problem with having her on the ticket

But I think she should be considered.

[Andy823]

20. Bull shit!

I can agree with you on every thing except Hillary as VP! She sinks his boat if she is the VP, pure and simple. Read the board. The republicans are already using the crap she said during the primaries, and it will get even worse. How can you be running for president when your own VP running mate is on TV every night saying you are not qualified, that you bring "NOTHING BUT A SPEECH", while McCain brings years of "experience"!

[LSparkle]

23. A few months ago, I would have agreed but now ... NO WAY

She praised Bomb Bomb at Obama's expense.
She mentioned the "a-word" (RFK).
She's lied about winning the "popular vote".
She's displayed delusional tendencies.

NO WAY.

[newmajority]

24. Anyone who doesn't want to leave the DLC in the dust is NOT THINKING CLEARLY.

This 50 ton boat anchor of corporatism has dragged this party down for over 20 years. It's time to cut those chains, and you can't do that with a Clinton on the ticket.

[goletian]

27. obamas life is more at risk with hillary vp. she cant be trusted.

[Tippy]

41. She is definately not trust worthy...today is evidence of that

Can see it now...that 3AM call came but Clinton couldn't make a decision...or some such....

[bunnies]

29. We Do Not Need Her.

She can take her few whiny foot-stompers and go away.

[LibraLiz1973]

30. LOL. Her FEW "whiny foot-stompers"??

Laughable.
She won the popular vote.
I'd think about that the next time I referred to her voters as
a "few"

[bunnies]

34. The majority are NOT going to vote McCain.

If they do, they were never Democrats anyway. Those are the people I was referring to.

[blm]

37. most would vote for Obama if they had a do over....

.

[Tippy]

45. California's polls prove that........

[blm]

51. and Michigan's...

.

[goletian]

43. more like delusional. she didnt win anything. except maybe the bigoted and pseudo feminist vote.

[Gore1FL]

31. consideration, yes. Likely choice no

She will be invited on the team in some capacity, but not as VP.

[hokies4ever]

33. No need to energize the Republican base

which is what Hillary would do.

[ErinBerin84]

36. I don't think it's that simple

Sure, she brings a lot to the table, but there are other factors as well. A lot of Republicans are just really not enthused about McCain, but having Hillary on the ticket (just because of the partisan wars on the 90s) could consolidate the base and bring them out. I once heard a strategist say that if Hillary was on the ticket, the Republicans who had not been enthused would all of the sudden look at McCain like their new Ronald Reagan. She will and should be considered, but she it is much too simple an argument to say that she is the only choice. Tom Brokaw was just on and said that someone from the Obama campaign said that they would need to see all of Bill's library donors and talk to him about his "speech fees", before she was considered.

[redqueen]

40. Jesus GOD I hope he picks someone soon

so we can stop having to see this crap idea floated every two goddamned minutes.

[NanceGreggs]

42. This premise ...

... which I have seen all over DU today, is completely flawed. It assumes that if the two "got together" on the same ticket, ALL supporters from both camps would happily fall in line behind the duo.

This is simply not the case. Aside from the obvious - some Hill supporters won't vote if Obama is at the TOP of the ticket, and some Obama supporters won't vote if HRC is on the ticket at all - a "blending" of the two would (a) be a dilution of the individual styles and messages from both campaigns, and (b) would never satisfy those who supported either on the basis of their perceived differences one from the other.

It's like saying that half the voters crave a vegetarian stew for dinner, and the other half want steak - so if we just throw them both into one big pot, everyone will be happy.

[LibraLiz1973]

50. You mean Beef Vegetarian Stew is a no-no?

Because I've just whipped some up...


:rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

55. Hey, for some of us steak-lovers ...

... even a single vegetable on the plate RUINS dinner!

:rofl:

[LibraLiz1973]

56. True!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great- now all I want is a big giant juicy steak!!!!!

[NanceGreggs]

58. Me, too.

Somehow my curried lentil soup isn't looking so good for dinner ...

[billyoc]

47. Of COURSE she's a VP consideration. But she'd never make it through the vetting process.

Does anyone think she's going to get a pass?

[high density]

49. Clinton is the antithesis of Obama's change campaign

It's such an illogical choice to everybody but media pundits that get paid to fill dead air.

[cbayer]

53. From your keyboard to Obama's ears

[zulchzulu]

54. The Repigs need/want/crave/love/adore the chance to run against the Clintons

If she is the VP nominee, she brings Bill in as well.

It hurts Obama on a variety of levels and brings out the Repigs in droves to vote against them. It would be a political DISASTER... if you are REALLY THINKING CLEARLY, you know this as FACT.

Give her the Health and Human Services gig. Maybe Education. NOT VP.

[cynatnite]

62. She doesn't have to be his running mate in order to get him in the WH...

Hillary has the power of getting a lot of folks behind Obama and to help him get the money he needs to run a big campaign. Her being his VP would be a major plus in my book, but I don't see just her supporters as being a reason to give it to her. There needs to be more reason than that, IMO.

[Phx_Dem]

67. Why it can never happen.

Bill Clinton will never be able to pass an Obama vetting. A few things to think about (and there are many more that are not listed here) . . .

1. We know the Republicans are going to try and link Obama to Ayers. Good luck with that because Obama was like 3 at the time they were bombing stuff, and the guy is now a pretty well-respected professor at University of Illinois. But, bless their hearts, they're gonna try anyway, and I'm sure all the Wignuts that wouldn't vote for Obama anyway will eat it up it.

2. While Ayers was never charged, let alone convicted of anything Bill Clinton pardoned 2 convicted Weather Underground members. How much fun are the Wingnuts going to have now linking BOTH Democratic candidates to a terrorist group. Now the story actually has legs. That is the last thing in the world Obama needs.

3. Add to that all of Bill's very dubious business dealings with Saudi Arabia, Qtar, Kazachstan (sp?),etc. Some of his dealings are said to be connected with HUGE library donations, although he refuses to release his donor list (which is a whole separate issue).

4. What about the Chinese guy who was an huge Clinton donor and supporter and who was convicted of espinonage( I think it was espinonage, but he's in prison for something). More terrorists charges from Wingnuts.

4. Bill CLinton has a pending lawsuit in the Superior Court of LA for campaign fraud. It's not murder, but fraud lawsuits are never good. Hillary has to give a deposition in November. Great. Just what Obama needs.
http://www.paulvclinton.com/

5. And what of Bill's dubious personal antics and "cavorting" on the "f*ck jet." The fact that a former President would be seen with people who gallavant around the globe aboard a plane they named the "F-jet" is just completely unacceptable.

The list goes on and on, but these things alone are enough to disqualify Hillary. Hillary being named VP is as close to impossible as you can get without actually being impossible.


(Mrs Phx_Dem)

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

65. I'll trust Obama on this. If he and his folks think that Hill gives him the best chance

to win, then yeah, I wouldn't hold it against him.

I respect the folks that say that Obama would be a hypocrite picking Hill. I tend to agree with them. However, given SCOTUS, amoung alot of other things, winning is paramount. I think Webb or Clark are Obama's best picks for VP, with Richardson probably being third, but I'm not Axelrod. I have a lot of doubts putting Hillary on the ticket. She has provided a lot of ammo to use against Obama, she fought along the low road and that along with Bill's shenanigans make me very, very weary.

[Tippy]

70. We all have to trust his judgement....he has proven he is trustworthy

[TexasObserver]

68. It's a no brainer that Hillary is ballot poison.

Most of her supporters will vote for Obama, and most of those who don't weren't going to vote Democratic in the fall, anyway.

ABC

Anybody But Clinton for VP

[dansolo]

69. Will she and Bill allow themselves to be fully vetted?

If you believe this, then it is you that isn't thinking clearly.