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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:00 PM
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So she allowed herself to be publicly pushed out?
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 08:01 PM by senseandsensibility
Hillary had every opportunity to appear in control and above the fray. What does she gain by this?

I know she had to pushed out. That's been obvious for some time. But to allow it to become public like this is just humiliating.

I thought Big Dog had the best political instincts of any politician alive.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:01 PM
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1. Well, you thought wrong.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:02 PM
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3. I didn't really think that.
It was sarcasm.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:04 PM
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4. I
must be very tired.

Sorry :hi:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:10 PM
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No problem!
:)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:01 PM
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2. Its called an intervention - wasn't there a pool on who was going to lead it?
Several had Charlie - I thought it was going to be Schumer.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:07 PM
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6. Schumer was part of the group of NY supporters that spoke to her today. n/t
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:06 PM
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5. To leave all forms of nobility, statesmanship and dignity behind on Super Tuesday...
...and not look back is the poorest form possible. You are absolutely correct. There were many opportunities for her to leave this with some shred of dignity, to somehow appear in control of something.

  The person who chooses not to take those opportunities until what remains is a public intervention to stop her. It's pathetic. When in the context of actions by a presumably sane person, intentionally: Damnable in the extreme.

PB
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:07 PM
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7. She was drunk on the adoration and attention?
or maybe she was just drunk?
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:10 PM
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8. what's so wrong with giving her a couple weeks to endorse Obama
what's the rush? There is something historic that has just happened with a woman making it this far. Let her mark the occasion and celebrate it. A woman making it this far is historic.

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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:30 AM
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11. Because it's not about her. It's about the GE and the winner and democrats taking the WH.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:02 AM
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16. It won't impact the GE nor the democrats taking the WH...
Give her and her supporters time. There is an emotional transition that needs to be made. These transitions take time. Obama said that she could do it on her own time.

There will be a democratic sweep in November anyhow.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:07 AM
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17. She's had time. She knew months ago this was going to happen and she made all kinds
of excuses about why she stayed in. Those excuses have run out or shown to be not true and now she's changing her tune.

What happened Tuesday was not a surprise to anyone and she should have been ready and prepared to thrown her support to Obama then.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:22 AM
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23. Obama himself wants to give her time
he has publicly said that he will give her the time she needs. A few weeks won't matter. What's the rush? If it bothers you, why not ignore her? You say she's inconsequential so why not ignore her?
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:33 AM
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26. What else can he say? Do you honestly think that everyone else but him thinks it's past
time she dropped out? He's being gracious because she has ever stayed her welcome.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:48 PM
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28. He could say "sit down and shut up"...
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 03:49 PM by cap
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:21 AM
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18. the winner is supposed to celebrate
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:26 AM
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21. she's had more than a couple of weeks to begin to accept she could not win.
That's my problem with it. Seriously, if this were anyone else (especially a man), the party would be ripping her a new one. As a woman, I find this sulking truly embarrassing.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:18 PM
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9. I know history will look at this as a historic moment.
With Obama and how polite and complimentary he was to Hillary. And then there is Hillary not even acknowledging this historic moment or even giving Obama the win. Not too favorably for the history books.

But she does have a chance to be viewed differently this Friday.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:27 AM
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10. if she doesn't do it on Friday, so what...
there is a lot more at stake under the covers. Things like how her staff transition, planks in the party platform, Hillary's own personal position, etc. Hillary's personal endorsement becomes less meaningful as each day passes. Obama has time on his side. She doesn't.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:35 AM
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12. She not only Refused to show even a modicum of Class
and Congratulate Obama on his Historic WIN, but she went so far as to Sequester the Event in a cavern below NYC with No access to Blakberried, cell phones and No monitors so she could CLAIM she knew Nothing of his WIN and THAT my friend is Pathological game-playing from a CrazyMaker & Joy Sucking Narcissisist...

A Few Words was all that was needed, but to a self absorbed Denialistic Bozo like her, they might as well been a chicken leg bone stuck in her throat..

Classless, Trash.

Time, my ass..
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:01 AM
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15. Not everyone has acknowledged the presumptive nominee immediately...
Obama has said he would give her time. So why aren't you? Like I said, time is on his side. There is no harm to Obama if she takes a few weeks to acknowledge him.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:22 AM
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19. her endorsement went to mccain
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:35 AM
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13. Yeah, Rangel's remarks in particular were fascinating.
That was one interview (on MSNBC) I'll never forget.

I watched that yesterday and thought, "uh oh, Hillary's in twubbl". I knew then, that her nonsense was coming to an end.

Oh goodies, it's on the youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjcQsk4xqg
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:35 AM
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14. Let's hope they keep pushing
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:24 AM
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20. It was the money.....by herself she would never be able to pay off her campaign debts..
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:37 AM
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22. Yup, she really hurt herself.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:26 AM
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24. Mission Accomplished - "Endorsing Obama" *wink wink*
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:26 AM by crankychatter
there it is

V I C T I M

Convention Floor Vote

ABIDING DIVISION

it's a done deal

your worst nightmare

maybe the formal campaign will cease, maybe she'll publically endorse and even give speeches...

but it is going to convention

The media (War Profiteer Owned) will NEVER LET THE STORY DIE
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:30 AM
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25. Yeah, she's so "brilliant", so politically "astute" that her closest advisors had to set up
the intervention because she is so completely separated from reality.

She really does remind me of Bush in that regard. They both live in their own fantasy worlds. She probably thinks Iraq is now the land of milk and honey, just like lil Bush.

She is a pathetic, delusional nitwit.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:36 AM
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27. She wants her group, increase it, use it as leverage? Not about country or the world.
Most importantly, even her issues.

I give her the difficulty thinking she won, or a close tie she desereves on merits.

I think she lost on merits.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 04:22 PM
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29. I think she might have wanted it to look like she was pushed out
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 04:22 PM by democrattotheend
That way her supporters stay mad and resentful of Obama, and may be more inclined to wait it out for 2012. That's why she started complaining about sexism in the final weeks as well, IMO.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:57 PM
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30. That's an interesting point
And she IS responsible for whipping up her supporters. Will she use even a quarter of that energy to get them to support the nominee?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:10 PM
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31. Not according to the New York Times
Mrs. Clinton’s decision to suspend her campaign, which was first reported by ABC News, was a bow to the emerging political reality. No one in her campaign — including by all reports Mrs. Clinton herself — saw a viable road to the nomination. A suspension of the campaign allows her to continue raising money and pay off millions of dollars in debt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/politics/05dems.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=politics


But, it's so much more entertaining to believe Andrea Mitchell and Howard Fineman and Matt Drudge than to deal with reality.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:12 PM
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32. The Long Goodbye
The Long Goodbye

Oh the drama!

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:34 PM
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33. Adrian whatsername has good inside sources. It was supposed to be private.
But a conf. call with 23 powerful New York politicians is hard to keep secret.
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