HRC reported to be on the short list for VP. Who else?

[chelsea0011]

Is Richardson on that list also?

[cboy4]

1. I just pray it's not Richardson......that would be too much

to take. :puke:

[susankh4]

2. I agree.

No Judas for V.P.

[Franks Wild Years]

3. Why is he "Judas"?

No one can produce a legitimate reason for that type of thing.

[TexasObserver]

5. They think he owes them support for president

Those crazy Clintons!! They think loyalty overrides good sense or dedication to principle.

[Franks Wild Years]

6. Then surely it stands to reason that they must also believe...

...anyone who voted for Bush in 2000 was a "Judas" if they didn't repeat that in 2004. Anyone who was put off by his antics was nothing but a Judas.

I understand that these people are child-like and vulnerable, I know that they've been whipped into a frenzy by their candidate (who is literally a super-hero, a knight in shining armour to them) and the way things have been projected by many facets of the right-wing media. I have to stop myself and remember that before I end up getting too annoyed by it all.

[TexasObserver]

17. I agree, and don't call me "Shirley."

[susankh4]

8. If the shoe fits

he'll have to wear it.

It depends on how may within the party see the shoe as a good fit, doesn't it?

[cboy4]

9. He's a complete back-stabber .. He threw Hillary in the

garbage bin because he eventually decided Obama would win the nomination.

And because he has to mooch White House jobs (he's incapable of securing any of them himself), he decided he'd glue his lips to Obama's ass.

It's an embarrassing display.

He's completely disloyal. Disgusting.

[blm]

12. Were you pissed when Bill used a VERY PUBLIC summer2004 booktour to support Bush in every interview

and repeatedly defend Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war at the very time the leading critic of Bush's strategies at the time was our Dem nominee, John Kerry?

Bill spent a month supporting Bush while conveniently forgetting that the lawmaker who knew the most about tracking terror networks and tracking those funding them was John Kerry.

By the way, here's the real JUDAS who takes MILLIONS of DOLLARS from those he protected for Poppy Bush throughout the 90s. He sold US OUT long ago.

Some of those who have donated to Bill's 'foundation' or paid him huge paychecks recently, were named figures in Poppy Bush's illegal operations with BCCI - Jackson Stephens, Marc Rich, Dubai and Saudi royals. The same Dubai money that staked the largest portion of BCCI bank, was the same Dubai money that Bill was helping to get that ports deal the Bushboy was ready to arrange a few years ago. And we know how Marc Rich received favors, though most Dems are still unaware that Rich was a named figure in GHWBush's BCCI and IranContra.

THIS is what a JUDAS does when he has the power to side with EVIL -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Bill Clinton Severs Ties With Burkle, May Reap $20 Million

Wall Street Journal | John Emshwiller | January 22, 2008 09:29 AM

Former President Clinton stands to reap around $20 million -- and will sever a politically sensitive partnership tie to Dubai -- by ending his high-profile business relationship with the investment firm of billionaire friend Ron Burkle.

Mr. Clinton is negotiating to end his relationship with Mr. Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. as part of a broader effort to protect the presidential campaign of his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, from potential conflicts of interest. Details of Mr. Clinton's involvement in Yucaipa and his efforts to unwind it come from documents and interviews with people familiar with the matter.
>>>>>

[cboy4]

14. Nice changing of the subject. You know as well as I do

that Richardson owes Bill Clinton for choosing him over dozens and dozens of equally qualified people for those White House jobs he got.

What did Mr. Back-stabber talk about during the debates?

Why he talked about diplomacy....how he's met with this dictator and how he's met with that dictator and how he's been here and how's he's been there.

People would have laughed at him during the debates if he hadn't had that experience.

Richardson is a disloyal friend who would probably throw his own mother under the bus for a White House job.

Lord knows he'll never, ever be president.

[blm]

16. The subject was JUDAS - meaning one who profits from siding with evil. Clintons REALLY PROFIT

from it. How do you measure level of betrayals? By the tragic consequence of the betrayal and the amount of money that goes into bank accounts from those most responsible?

Be a citizen first when you think about this, before being a Clinton fan. Those matters he swept under the rug for Poppy Bush and his thugs ended up flying jets into NY buildings. You really want to compare betrayals?

[cboy4]

18. Speaking of tragic .. listen to this idiot articulate how he

holds the same views as the radical right wing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaoLiZGNsI

[blm]

20. Bush2, 9-11 and Iraq war are tragic consequences of protecting BushInc's evil. You pretend it's not

as you look past what has really happened.

It's lazy citizens who ignore the facts in their government's historic record that end up hurting our nation as they pay more attention to the fascist who wears a donkey mask than their own National Security Archives.

You support closed government - have the guts to admit it, because everytime you attempt to bolster Clintons as leaders you are making it clear that you have no desire for open government.

[cboy4]

24. All I'm saying is Senator Asshole, I mean Richardson,

is disloyal.

And he's a homophobe.

But if you want to change the subject and go off about something unrelated, that's up to you.

[blm]

25. JUDAS betrayed good FOR evil. Clinton betrayed good FOR evil. So betraying evil is GOOD.

Richardson did good.

[cboy4]

27. You know how the teacher on TV in Peanuts says:

"Wah Wah Wah, Wah, Wah Wha What..."

Well that's all I hear when I read your "explanations."

And by the way .. many of your fellow Republican Hillary haters over at Free Republic can also easily be described as evil.

You sure you're a Democrat blm?

[blm]

28. Honest Democrats felt betrayed by Clintons' protection of BushiNc in the 90s. Did you?

Or did you not even bother to notice?

Free Republican and the Bush devotees agreed with Clinton that Bush did not deserve accountability for his crimes of office. They agree with you. They don't agree with me. I'm an honest and INFORMED Democrat. You're a clinton fan who never bothered to read the government reports that should have seen BushInc thrown in jail so another Bush could never get close to the WH again, and so there would be no backlash from their support of global terror networks.

But you side with Clinton's protection of secrecy and privilege of the Bushes ands closed government - so do the freepers, they love protecting Bushes. What does that say about you.

[karynnj]

40. I know BLM and she is as far from Republican as you can get

Why not simply stick to challenging her on issues and ideas? I was told as a young kid, that the first sign someone knew an argument was lost was when they resorted to name calling. It meant they couldn't refute the other's truth. Think about it.

Here are some other things to think of:
1) Do you really think that every person that worked in the Clinton administration or got a party job from a Clinton ally has to vote for Bill's wife. Would this be true had he divorced HRC and married Condi Rice? (PS I never ever heard he ever had any interest on any level in Condi)

2) What was Bill's obligation to a loyal VP who stood with him when few would. Yes, I know that Gore did not want him on the campaign trail - but there is no way the "master politician of our generation" thought a confessional interview 3 days before the primary was helpful or that negatively kibitzing on how Gore's campaign was bad was useful.

3) What was Bill's obligation to a loyal Democratic Senator who when Bill needed his patriotism defended in the 1992 did so. (http://journals.democraticunderground.com/karynnj/18 ) Then there was Kerry's leadership on two major Clinton era accomplishments - S-CHIP (led by kennedy) and the renewal of relations with Vietnam - where McCain's book gives the most credit to Kerry and Bill's book gives all the credit to McCain. Yes, I know the Clinton comments of getting out of his sick bed to campaign - but like in 2000, it was the less obvious passive aggressive things. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/karynnj/14

Consider that as someone honored with the Democratic party nomination - he owed US and the party, the loyalty to support both of these men 100% once they got the nomination - and to do nothing to harm their chances.

4) Though I don't think anyone owes anyone an endorsement because of past favors, I am amazed the no one considers that loyalty goes two ways. It is hard to understate the amount of loyalty shown by Democrats to the Clintons for the last 15 years. Yet, they have no been the first to return that loyalty.

[blm]

41. Damn, you are so much kinder and thoughtful than I will ever be, even as you're standing firm.

One of the reasons I admire you so. Hell - I adore you.

[Eric Condon]

26. He doesn't "owe" Clinton anything.

Clinton gave him jobs, and he paid him back by serving at them admirably and with dignity. That's all he "owed" anyone. This isn't the mafia. Clinton didn't make Richardson into some sort of "made man" in exchange for future favors.

If you ask me, the Clintons are the Judases. They owed US for putting them in office and supporting them through their troubles, and what have they given us in return? Nothing, just center-right policies, dirty campaigning, and active behind-the-scenes support of the Bu$h administration. These people are disgusting, and no one owes them anything. THEY owe US a thousand apologies, but they, like Bu$h, aren't big on those. Funny how that works out.

[cboy4]

29. Oh there's no question about it. You're completely wrong.

He definitely owes the Clintons because after after all, without him, he'd be practically working at a gas station convenience store.

He owes big time.

[blm]

31. And without Jackson Stephens and GHWBush there'd be no BCCI matters for Bill to deep-six

but there were and he did, didn't he?

Bill wouldn't be president in 1993 if not for all the HONEST DEMS who held Bush1's feet to the fire his entire term, especially Kerry who risked his life and career to uncover the illegal operations of IranContra and BCCI, making consistently bad headlines for Bush straight through the 1992 campaign. He expected to be impeached after the release of the DEc 1992 BCCI report and so he NEEDED to lose - but he needed more to lose to a easily compromised Democratic coward who would cover up for him, protecting his secrecy and privilege over the right of the American people to honest and accountable government.

How did Kerry pay back Kerry back for his years of work uncovering BushInc? By covering for BushInc and when Kerry ran he undermined and backstabbed him. He used his booktour month in 2004 to VERY PUBLICLY show more support for Bush and defend Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war than he ever once did for Kerry. When he did make a show in front of Dem audiences it was always tampered down support for Kerry without mentioning any agreement with Kerry's accomplishments against terrorism or support for KERRY'S STRATEGY to deal with Iraq's stability and then leave as soon as we could.

That's the truth about what side YOU are on. You share the guilt when you try and bolster them as leaders.

[Eric Condon]

45. You do know he used to be in Congress, right? Hardly "working at a gas station convenience store."

Once again, all he "owed" Clinton was a job well done in the cabinet positions to which he'd been assigned, and he made good on that. End of story.

[blm]

30. Clintons owed GHWBUsh and Jackson Stephens and spent the 90s delivering for BushInc.

and protecting their secrecy and privilege.

THAT is the real JUDAS ACT against the Dem party and this nation.

[breakaleg]

33. That's old school, Clinton mentality. This is 2008 and change is in the cards.

[tekisui]

21. Obviously the CLinton's weren't returning the loyalty to Richardson

or he would have stuck with them.

[breakaleg]

32. So, loyalty trumps choosing the better candidate?

[NorthCarolina]

36. Maybe, just maybe his real intention was

simply to support the best candidate.

[karynnj]

38. He did not owe the Clinton fealty for the rest of his life because he

was in Bill's administration. When being appointed to jobs, he owed Clinton and the country doing a good job nothing more.

The problem is that the Clintons ignore anything any one does for them, but have the memory of an elephant for anything they ever did others - feeling that it should bind them for life. The most notable were their accusations against 2 outstanding MA Senators - both of whom did more to help Clinton, than the Clintons did for them.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. So because Bill gave him a job, he owes Hillary?

[blm]

10. But you want someone who sold our country's historic record to BushInc and all we got was 9-11

and our fucked up oil region foreign policy.

Clintons had no business making the choice to side with protecting BushInc throughout the 90s, a decision that would alter drastically the historic record of this nation which have had horrific consequences.

YOUR heroes protected BushInc throughout the 90s and are now collecting TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars from the very powerful cronies involved with Bush's illegal operations that were also protected when Bill deep-sixed these matters for Poppy Bush.


Some of those who have donated to Bill's 'foundation' or paid him huge paychecks recently, were named figures in Poppy Bush's illegal operations with BCCI - Jackson Stephens, Marc Rich, Dubai and Saudi royals. The same Dubai money that staked the largest portion of BCCI bank, was the same Dubai money that Bill was helping to get that ports deal the Bushboy was ready to arrange a few years ago. And we know how Marc Rich received favors, though most Dems are still unaware that Rich was a named figure in GHWBush's BCCI and IranContra.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Bill Clinton Severs Ties With Burkle, May Reap $20 Million

Wall Street Journal | John Emshwiller | January 22, 2008 09:29 AM

Former President Clinton stands to reap around $20 million -- and will sever a politically sensitive partnership tie to Dubai -- by ending his high-profile business relationship with the investment firm of billionaire friend Ron Burkle.

Mr. Clinton is negotiating to end his relationship with Mr. Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. as part of a broader effort to protect the presidential campaign of his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, from potential conflicts of interest. Details of Mr. Clinton's involvement in Yucaipa and his efforts to unwind it come from documents and interviews with people familiar with the matter.
>>>>>

[JI7]

13. would you say the same about Scott McClellan

[Eric Condon]

46. "Too much" of what?

"Too much" of them damn minorities tryin' to run the country? :eyes:

[TexasObserver]

4. short list: Richardson, Biden, Edwards, Sebelius, Webb, Warner

Hillary is on the list only to be disqualified, and Team Obama has already signaled their official rationale.

[hokies4ever]

7. Obama vs. Bill: winner = Obama

I think this exemplifies another storyline this primary season. Obama has beat Bill at his own game, playing politics. How fitting that Hillary is 'officially' denied the V.P. spot because of Bill's financial dealings, because he was the one pushing to force Obama to offer the V.P. spot to Hillary.

[TexasObserver]

22. Bill and Hill just can't get it through their heads that their methods don't work on Obama

All of their key methods of getting their way are rejected by Obama as unprincipled and unworthy methods of attacking wants and needs. He despises their ways, and the more they push, the more they push themselves away from Obama.

He cannot define himself fully to the American people until Bill and Hillary are no where in the picture, not drawing headlines, not fouling the air with their tantrums. They have to sit down and shut the fuck up.

[Bake]

44. No Senators!!

Biden and Webb need to stay put in the Senate, we need to build on the majority, not defend otherwise safe seats. Neither one needs to be VP. Webb, God bless him, is a Democrat primarily in his opposition to the war; yeah, he's left of center FOR VIRGINIA, but not for compared to the rest of the spectrum. Obama can do better and Webb can stay in the Senate.

Bake

[Youphemism]

11. I think Verne Troyer has to be on anybody's short list. /nt

[Hieronymus]

15. I really doubt that Hillary's on the list. She shot herself in the foot Tuesday.

[greguganus]

23. I agree. Obama's just trying to calm the Hillbots down a bit. n/t

[terrya]

19. I heard that Sam Nunn is near the top of the VP list.

Any truth to that?

If he's chosen, I'm sitting this election out. Fuck that bigot.

[TK421]

34. Yeah, and the last thing we need is a Nunn in the VP slot

get religion out of my government!!!!@@@14

[Abacus]

35. I got a call this morning, I'm in... Obama/Abacus '08!

It's between her, Mercer, and myself (all three)

:evilgrin:

[frickaline]

37. I hope Biden. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

42. my guess at a shortlist: Richardson, Webb, Sebelius, Biden, Clark.

Possibly one or two others.

[Mass]

43. Whose shortlist? The media are going to push a lot of BS for a while,

because they need to fill time. Any list that does not come from the Obama campaign is not even worth looking at.

[Tektonik]

47. I'm hoping to see Hillary

Richardson might be the last person I'd choose to be veep. :puke: