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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:09 AM
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Clinton: I want my supporters "respected" divides the party and damages the Democratic Nominee
When Hillary Clinton said that she wants her supporters respected she's inferring the same garbage Bill Clinton has been saying - that Obama thinks he's better than you (an elitist) and he does not respect you. This meme has been repeated again and again by reporters close to the Clinton camp.

Does anyone think Obama would NOT respect her supporters?

Plus, her actions on Tuesday night were DISRESPECTFUL to the millions of Obama supporters. On such a groundbreaking, historical night his supporters just wanted to enjoy the moment. Instead they had to be subjected once again to the Clinton drama.

The Democratic Leadership should demand that she stop espousing such divisive comments.

I hope the Obama camp is VERY careful about bringing any of her campaign group on board b/c 2012, not 2008 might very well be their goal.


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:10 AM
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1. Obama has done nothing but respect Clinton and her supporters
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 06:29 AM by shadowknows69
The evidence is all over the place on indisputable video.
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monomach Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:15 AM
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2. Yep. I almost gagged during Obama's speech Tues. night due to all of the respect.
He spent way too much time talking up the person who is now starring in the RNC's ads.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:17 AM
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5. Obama is a decent guy plus he needs to unify the party. The Clintons are going to do
everything they can to make sure he does not achieve that goal.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:15 AM
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3. She is trying to anger her supporters so they won't vote for Obama.
The meme "I want my supporters respected" is intended to make unifying the party harder. Haven't you noticed her hacks saying if the Democrats can't unify they don't deserve to win and other snide comments about Obama needing to unify the party.

Obama was raised to try to look at a situation from the other's persons point of view. However, the Clintons are in the rare category of people where it would be a mistake to ever give them the benefit of the doubt.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:42 AM
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40. That really is all there is to it.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:46 AM
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41. i do not believe she was talking about Obama, but she probably reads the posts
here and thought the purges and re-education camps would start soon for her former supporters. I am expecting a knock at my door any minute now to be dragged away.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:12 AM
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46. we dont matter to her
why would she be reading DU?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:37 AM
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84. DO you really need a little sarcasm emoticon? all is lost. sigh. n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:16 AM
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4. HRC was so sure that her supporters would never see through her bullshit...
But Hillary Rosen saw through it already ~ she, at least, is no bargaining chip!

Obama wouldn't be very smart if he lets either of the Clintons return to the WH ~ he'd have to watch his back every second of every day. He knows that.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:20 AM
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6. Hey Hillary! There's a way to get your supporters respect in the party.
It's called working your ass off for the nominee between now and the election. You EARN respect and chips in this process by getting behind the nominee, working hard and selflessly for the nominee, and then getting the reward you earned.

You don't get it for backing THE LOSER, and then demanding it.

Get right, Miss Hilly, and start working for Obama, not yourself. That is what is required of you.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:18 AM
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68. Clinton? EARN? You insolent whelp!
The empress need not EARN anything! She is owed every due! Her entourage as well! If you fall to your knees and lick the grime from the soles of her fashionable pumps, she just may deign to forgive your rancorous insubordination!
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:39 AM
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7. First Bill and now Hillary
When Bill Clinton took office I had high hopes that we were finally going to break the stronghold the Republicans had on this country since Reagan. His was an embattled White House and I give him and Hillary credit for continuing to move forward in spite of the constant barrage of investigations and accusations.

However, Bill had a moment of weakness that threw us into another 8 years of horror with the neo-cons taking over because of "moral decay". Was this anything other presidents had not done? No. Was it the death of our chances to continue and even accelerate the move back from Reaganomics? Yes. I felt he had an obligation to seek a higher standard of behavior because so many had waited so long and because of one bj and a lie it was over.

Hillary has been a formidable candidate and I admire her perseverance but if she continues to hold back "her" people and not try to reconcile this right now, they will not have time to heal and come back into a solid, united front to go into November. We may well lose and she will be responsible for that and that may well be the "Clinton Legacy".
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:47 AM
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8. Why do I envision drill sergeants screaming in the ears of new recruites at boot camp ....
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 06:49 AM by Maribelle
when I read some of Obama supporters posts demanding that Hillary and her supporters fall in lock step?

This is not Fort Benning Georgia, and we are not hardly grunts.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:55 AM
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10. Even when she does the right thing
they complain that it was not fast enough. She will suspend and endorse and all they can say is that she should have done it Tuesday night. How could she do that to her supporters? They keep screaming for her to concede. Primary candidates do not "concede". It is called suspension and there are reasons for it to be that way to clear up debts and payroll, etc. All of the Obama supporters I know personally have no problem with putting her on the ticket as VP. Yet on DU they act like she is Satan. Most people understand that her 18 million+ supporters are needed by Obama to win. What are they going to do about it? Stab her supporters in the back even AFTER their candidate won the nomination. It makes no sense to me.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:56 AM
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76. you know...
this primary was NOT all about Hillary....but it seems that is the way it's being played....you asked how she could have gotten out Tuesday evening...how could she do that to her supporters???....well, exactly the way the other candidates did...and why couldn't she have done it Tuesday night??? It's been obvious for months that she wasn't going to get the nomination..This IS more about turning the WH over to a Democrat and making Congress even more Democratic than it is now...it's not about HRC...

When it comes to making her VP...I have mixed feelings...sure she's got a lot of support...but any Democrat who won't vote Democratic, because Hillary isn't on the ticket...must have one hell of a short memory, considering the last 8 years, and the current condition of this country right now, which is a disaster we still aren't out of for another 7 months yet...Obama should be given the right to pick his own VP....I can't believe he would presume he had the right to pick hers, or force himself onto her ticket if she had won, so why should she, or her supporters feel they have the right to pick for him or insist he pick her???.....that is an honest question on my part...why do they feel that way...oh, it has to do with her "18,000,000 supporters" that Obama needs to win the GE...refer to above statement about not voting for the Democrat...or is HRC more important than this whole country???? and that too is a question, because I just don't understand some people's mindset....wb
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:11 AM
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22. Where did I say fall in lock step? I said stop the manipulative, divisive crap.

Her actions even show incredible disrespect for her own supporters.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:54 AM
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9. I have a news flash for you BO supporters.
BO didn't win this nomination in a landslide. Approximately 1/2 of the voters voted for Hillary. It's obvious from the spew on here that you don't respect any of us who supported Hillary. Fortunately your candidate does. Take a clue from him, you need us so quit knocking her.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:56 AM
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12. Real dems will vote for Obama. Fake-ass dems won't. n/t
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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:00 AM
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13. If she'd clearly, quickly, and decisively get behind the party's nominee ...
then most people would quit criticizing her. Every day she refuses to leads to speculation, anger, and resentment, and so each of those days will contain expressions of those emotions.

Everyone is allowed to express their opinions. If you'd consider voting for a Republican because someone on a message board (one you visit freely of your own will) was "mean" to you then you invite criticisms of you and, by extension, your candidate.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:02 AM
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14. A letter was sent out today from her saying she will support BO.
It's on DU, read it so you know what you're talking about.
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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:06 AM
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19. What I know is what she's done, not what's reported she will do
She owed the nominee respect and acknowledgment on the night he clinched. She declined. That's what has happened, not what's being reported to probably happen. If you're confident relying on reports of what will or might happen then so be it. I'm more of a realist.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:13 AM
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24. But how many more divisive comments will be made? Typical Clinton M.O.

Do all you can to poison the well but make sure you have enough comments on record so later on you can't point to them and argue that they supported Obama.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:21 AM
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31. What the hell are you talking about? nt
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:10 AM
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45. They want Obama to lose but they don't want to be held accountable if he doesn't win in Nov. Thus,
they do all they can to poison the well (paint him as an elitist, tell people he thinks he's better than him, blame him for things he never did and more often than not the Clinton campaign actually did (e.g., play the race card), paint him as a sexist etc. They want to enrage voters so they will not support him. But then they do just enough that later on if Obama loses they can point to "all" that they did to help Obama.

They are doing EVERYTHING they can NOT to unify the party while at the same time saying that Obama will lose if he can't unite the party (which surely proves that he is no uniter).


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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:03 AM
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15. Her supporters need to back the Democratic candidate
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 07:03 AM by old mark
or go with the Republicans.

I thought she ran a really tough campaign at first, but the last few weeks were nothing but her ego.
I now believe she would have made a terrible president and I'm very glad she lost.
She should not be anywhere near the White House.

mark
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:15 AM
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37. Go vote msame already.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:28 PM
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89. Excuse me but i'm not kissing anyone's ass.
You and I each have a mouth and a mind of our own along with one vote come November 4.
If I read something on this board I do not agree with I will speak my mind, nor will I be blackmailed.
I also have enough brains to make my voting decisions based on MY principles NOT on the actions of someone not going to the Whitehouse.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:56 AM
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11. Claiming her supporters ARE DISRESPECTED is a LIE. Hillary2012 - in it to win it for McCain
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 06:57 AM by blm
and she has been proving it since she knew she lost shortly after Super Tuesday.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:03 AM
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16. Her supporters are constantly disrespected. nt
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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:07 AM
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20. And so are Obama's. Get over yourself. n/t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:08 AM
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21. Respect is earned. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:11 AM
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23. BY what measure? The Messiah, cult memes? The way Bill disrespected Dem voters when he sided w/Bush
and his cronies after he was voted in to clean up as in use sunlight on all of Poppy's crimes, not sweep them under the rug to protect his secrecy and privilege and closed government?

You have no call for claiming disrespect and certainly no sense of proprtion.

YOU sided with closed government, yet again, and you lost. But the nation will have won when it gets a Dem president who believes in open government and YOUR right to it.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:14 AM
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26. See 25
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:36 PM
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87. Her suppoerters act like 3 year olds throwing temper tantrums.
They need to be spanked.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:43 PM
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95. Of course. My white trash neighbors and I always feel respected.
The fences are going to require more mending than some would like to admit.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:05 AM
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17. "...Hillary said she wants her supporters respected...."? A link, please. Thank you. (eom)
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:14 AM
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27. She said it in her speech Tuesday night which has been replayed again and again
and espoused by the talking heads again and again.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:27 AM
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33. Sorry, but I didn't hear her speech nor any of the "talking heads". No link to text of speech?
Oh, well . . . :eyes: . . . (**sigh**)
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:55 AM
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44. Too late to edit my previous post; but I wanted to say "Nevermind. I found the text
of Senator Clinton's speech at her website--of all places!" :blush:

Also: IMHO, you've taken her comment about respect for her supporters completely out of context. So . . .

If you or anyone else is interested but haven't, yet, found time to search for and read what Senator Clinton actually said--rather than simply listening, again and again, to the "talking heads"--check out the following URL for the text of the entire speech:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=7397


Have a nice day!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:14 AM
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47. I did not take it out of context. I know manipulation when I see it.
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 09:15 AM by Skwmom
Demanding that your supporters be respected means my supporters WILL NOT be respected unless I make my demand and that they are not currently respected.

That was a WRITTEN speech and Clinton knew EXACTLY what she was doing. I LISTENED to Clinton not just the talking heads but the Clintons use the talking heads (and favorable reporters if you can call them reporters) to repeat their manipulations again, and again, and again.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:59 AM
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78. Oh, fercryinoutloud!
I, too, recognize manipulation when I see it and I'm seein' it right here in your thread . . . especially where you, yourself, appear to be the blind leading the blind and expecting them to imagine Senator Clinton "Demanding...." respect for her supporters from Senator Obama and/or his supporters when, in fact, she did no such thing.

(** tsk! **)

Earlier in the speech--if you read it--did you notice where she mentioned
"...so many people in this country have felt invisible, like your president didn't even really see you." (emphasis added)
Did you? If not . . . :shrug:

Now . . . if that didn't mean anything to you, I'm gonna jus' imagine it's on account of because y' ain't a supporter . . . but . . . no sweat!






:eyes:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:27 AM
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80. If you do not see the Clinton manipulative crap for what it is, you have to be
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:31 AM by Skwmom
either blind or paid.

She used her speech to divide the Democratic Party and hurt the Democratic Nominee.

As far as treating people as invisible, what in the heck did the Clintons do for the poor when they were in office for 8 years? Oh that's right they shipped middle class jobs overseas.

Typical Clinton M.O. They played the race card again and again and then when the Obama campaign kept track of them playing the race card (to show a pattern not isolated incidences) they accused the Obama campaign of playing the race card.

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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:30 PM
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86. You're kiddin', right? I mean: Do I "...have to be either blind or paid."? Like: Is there some
written or unwritten law that says I "...have to be...." thus or so with no other choice(s) available?

You do realize that a post such as your OP (as well as your determination to keep your thread kicked up top with further asininities) might be seen, by some readers, to be an effort to "...divide the Democratic Party and hurt the Democratic Nominee.", don't you? Hm-m?

Just wonderin' aloud. No need to reply.



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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:05 AM
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18. I wonder if Hillary will have a cash bar for her event this weekend with her staffers.
Because she cares so much for them.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:13 AM
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25. Whoever switches from Clinton to Obama is a dear friend and will be showered with affection.
Whoever is stiff necked and doesn't make the switch will be treated like garbage.

That's the choice.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:17 AM
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29. I don't think superdelegate Clinton supporters should be treated badly BUT
if they continue to support her divisive crap that's another matter.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
97. Excellent post - and spot-on.
:thumbsup:
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:16 AM
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28. This Kos diary addresses your OP points
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:20 AM
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30. Lisa Caputo continually defending this speech as a great speech
is unbelievable (anyone could see how divisive the speech was intended to be). She tried to enrage her supporters and the Obama supporters and campaign staff.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:25 AM
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32. That's bullshit. nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:28 AM
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34. These were the words of an angry emotional unbalanced woman
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 08:09 AM by nomad1776
not sure how much can really be said about her motives. Remember it took an intervention to get her to understand and accept she lost.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:53 AM
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35. Keep up the Hillary hate-name-calling!! --it is doing Obama no good. Grow up
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:12 AM
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36. You remind me of republicans who, after screwing up with Iraq
insist on lecturing me on how our Country should conduct its foreign policy. Sorry but you were wrong and the Obama people were right, as such you lost all claim to your condescending attitude, just like the neocons did.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:50 AM
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75. It took both houses of Congress!
lol
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:20 AM
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38. I disagree
What is divisive is the fact that they are not respected in the first place. She was not speaking to Obama but instead Obama supporters and the media.

No one wants to seem to recognize that 1/2 of the party voted for her. Obama won fair and square, but he does not have some mandate in the party.

Why have we forgotton the lessons of 2000 so quickly!
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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:39 AM
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39. Where'd you come up with that perversion?
Clinton's supporters were never "disrespected" until some of them began calling for her to take it to Denver despite the obvious danger that would present for the party in November. And the likes of Harriet Christian didn't help that cause. The only remnants of disrespect for Clinton supporters lingers due to some of them refusing to stand behind the party's nominee. For those disrespect is deserved, earned by their actions.

Everyone recognizes that she won about 1/2 the votes that were cast. No one has ever denied that, so saying that "no one wants to seem to recognize that 1/2 of the party voted for her" is ridiculous. Everyone recognizes it, and some in the media recognize it at least once every 10 minutes or so by promoting the line that he "must" select her as VP owing to that. It's fully recognized.

But what you're not understanding is that he DOES have a mandate in the party because he's the nominee. That's how you get a mandate, by winning elections. You don't get it by trying to employ other metrics which don't determine the ultimate outcome. She got about 1/2 the votes but didn't net the needed delegates. He did. That's the mandate.
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:51 AM
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42. perception is reality
I have felt disrespected. I know many others who have felt this way as well. So when I heard Hillary deliver that line it resonated with me. I knew that she was not referring to Obama as the candidate specifically. I do not see it as divisive at all...

I guess Bush had a mandate too then...using your logic. It is bizarre hearing right wing talking point from 2000 coming from democrats. I guess next you will say that "elections have consequences?"
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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:00 AM
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63. Oh how cute. Label those with whom you disagree as "like Bush"
Good one. :eyes:

Lots of people have felt one way or another in life. I've felt disrespected at times as well. But most of us have some sort of proof for feeling the way we do other than some nebulous "it resonated with me" reference which doesn't demonstrate the "disrespect" you're claiming. Look, primaries can be contentious and this one has definitely been that. But "contentious" doesn't connote "disrespect" no matter how much you're now straining to make that implication. If you felt "disrespected" because others don't like a political candidate for office whom you backed then you might try growing up a bit because in life there are lots of times when reasonable people disagree. But that disagreement isn't disrespect unless it becomes so in demonstrable form.

Think about it this way. Neither you nor I like Bush. I hate the bastard, you probably feel that way or pretty similarly I would guess. But there are some in this country who don't share our views. I'm not offended or "disrespected" because they don't agree with me. I just merely have a disagreement with them. I believe I have more evidence on my side to feel the way I do but (somehow) they feel that way as well. That doesn't offend me, it just makes me disagree. That's all.

It seems to me that SOME Clinton supporters have confused the disagreement we've all had this primary season with "disrespect." And I think that's a shame because I don't have anything but respect for 99.999999999% of you. I don't prefer your candidate, but I don't disrespect her either. I think it's this highly personal politics which is extremely dangerous and petty, something I hope we can all get over and done with very soon.

Obama won the election. When someone wins an election they're given a mandate to govern. I've already made my admission that Hillary won about the same amount of votes as he, so there's no real utility in calling me "Bush" other than to draw blood from me. You might even call it disrespect.
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:16 AM
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67. hmmm
You are using the same arguments that Bush supporters used. It is just fact. I am not trying to be cute or draw blood. How is that even possible? Obama won...why would you feel hurt?

Maybe we are just working on a different definition of respect. I do feel that verbal attacks are direspectful. I find that mocking others and relishing in their dissapointment is also disrespectful. Demanding someone do what you want instead of asking is disrespectful. Rolling eyes is also disrespectful.

Of course there are going to be disagreements...but insults don't have to be a part of it. I have been on enough message boards to know that people are disrespectful to one another all the time....but back to the point of the OP...it is not divisive to point out that people are being disrepected..here on this board and others and in the media.

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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:27 AM
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70. Comparing any Democrat to Bush is fucking OBVIOUSLY disrespectful
and so is your embarrassing effort to now justify those comments. That my candidate won an election doesn't insulate me from vicious words of people like you and you damn well know that. "How is that even possible?" Unreal that you could even publicly utter something like that.

Verbal attacks can be disrespectful depending on their contents. An Obama supporter expressing her opinions against Clinton is not, however. It's merely an expression of something they feel. If you draw "disrespect" from others' opinions, then again, some growing up might be in order. I'm just guessing as to the source of your feelings because you haven't really pointed me to anything specific, instead reliant on some broad-brush notion of what you label as disrespect.

While it wouldn't be divisive to point out that some are being disrespected if that's actually a provable case to make, that's not the point of the OP. The point of the OP was that Clinton made some case for respect where there was no case to make; her supporters are already respected. It's a straw man argument that tends to make some feel as though they're the people that are being disrespected when there's no disrespected to speak of.
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #70
88. I think that you just like to argue
I have a hard time believing that you really think that I am the one being vicious.

You know good and well there there are ways to express opinions without being offensive....or heck, maybe you don't???
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TeamsterDem Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:29 PM
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92. I just "like to argue"? No, I just enjoy supporting the Democratic nominee and don't like
it when people disparage him or belittle his chances, or imply that he's been dishonorable in the campaign.

What you're doing with your last is trying to prevent me from responding, and you're ignoring what I said to insult me personally. Try addressing the points I made as opposed to attacking me, then maybe we can have a conversation. Until then spare me the "there are ways to express opinions without being offensive" stuff as it was you who began the insults, not me.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:13 AM
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79. "I have felt disrespected."
Who the fuck here hasn't? See my sig.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #42
85. Well, I guess that is something we can agree on.
As an Obama supporter, I have felt disrespected, too. But, first and foremost, I am a Democrat, and that's why Hillary would have gotten my vote in November has she been the nominee.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:53 AM
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43. History will tell....
I've never witnessed anything close to what I've seen with this primary. The DISRESPECT of Hillary Clinton, and in turn her supporters, will be written about for years to come. It will be studied. There will be movies made, documentaries and books. She was grossly treated unfairly by the media, and falsely accused by her opponent and his supporters.

It's been a mind boggling ride.

Peace be with you, Hillary.



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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. What, are you going to write some kind of 11,000 line epic poem about it?
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 09:16 AM by JVS
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:18 AM
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51. I have not doubt that Clinton hacks will write their perverted view of history.
I'm sure here campaign hacks will write books repeating the many lies espoused by the Clinton campaign. The Republicans hardly corner the market on lies and propaganda.

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #43
56. So documentaries, books, and movies portraying the Clintons as victims
is their plan for a future run? You know what they say...be careful what you wish for.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #56
66. No, exposing the truth will not
portray the Clintons as victims. The Clintons are not the victims. The American people are the victims.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:28 AM
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81. Yeah the American people have been the victims of the Clintons for years.

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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #43
91. Why don't you just build a shrine?
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:16 AM
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49. I don't see anything divisive about asking for basic respect.
And I don't think Obama would have any reservations about providing it.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:19 AM
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52. Asking for it infers you are not getting it and/or you don't believe you will be respected.
That is divisive.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. Not necessarily
It just means you might otherwise have been overlooked and unintentionally disrespected.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:35 AM
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55. Oh yeah I'm sure that's what most of her supporters thought.

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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:43 AM
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58. Well I can't really claim to have a secret tunnel into their minds
I'm just saying its equally plausible. A matter of point of view.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #58
82. Well a SKILLED politician doesn't put something in their speech when it PLAUSIBLE
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:31 AM by Skwmom
that people can make a negative inference about the Democratic Nominee. Unless her goal is to damage that nominee.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:42 AM
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57. Yes, it is. It implies that Obama can't be trusted. It's divisive cr@p. n/t
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:44 AM
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60. I just don't interpret it that way.
I think the divisive tone is being interjected here. You are coloring these words with your own point of view.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:49 AM
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61. Not really. There is no respect issue. Obama said "thank you"
39 times in his speech. He didn't say "thank you but not people who voted for Clinton". She's acting like a concern troll.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:52 AM
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62. I doubt she's talking about a simple 'thank you'
I imagine she is more concerned with having their views heard and respected so that they can join the fold of the Obama supporters. I see this as a unity effort, at least that was my take on this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:02 AM
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64. Their views? Clinton and Obama's policy positions are nearly identical.
Why on Earth would Obama not listen to any voter's views? See the problem? There's no problem and she's creating one out of thin air. Regardless, hopefully this will be over after Saturday
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:04 AM
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65. They voted for Hillary, not Obama. They have a different view of things than you.
They made their choice for a reason. There are enough differences in their campaigns to warrant this. I'd site GLBT issues for one major division. Don't these people deserve representation?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:41 AM
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72. That's exactly her argument and it's cr@p.
One, she lost. She can't represent anyone now except in her (and maybe in your) imagination.

Two, his GLBT record is BETTER than hers.

Three, there is no indication at all that Obama is in any way planning to somehow neglect anyone.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:57 AM
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77. Sorry but I'm afraid our conversation ends here.
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:02 AM by frickaline
I'd refute you post but I can see there is no point. You'd just attack me personally for it, which I find unacceptable. We will simple agree to disagree, if you can provide that level of respect.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:13 PM
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98. None of your posts in this thread have deserved any respect. Get over yourself. n/t.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:47 AM
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73. Check out this article about Obama personally welcoming Clinton supporters:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #65
83. Hate to tell you but many of them voted for BILL Clinton b/c that's sure the
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:35 AM by Skwmom
storyline they were selling in OH. Do you forget the poll in NH of the Hillary voters? They were asked who they would vote for if they were both running (Bill or Hillary). The majority voted for Bill.

Bill Clinton was really running for his third term.

Did you catch Bill the other day saying if he didn't say what he said on the campaign trail he couldn't go home? It made me wonder if he was trying to blame his screw-ups on Hillary. What a pair.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:17 AM
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50. Oh, please. don't we all want respect? n/t
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:21 AM
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53. And this thing about moving her endorsement back to accommodate her supporters - why?
Why must we have another week of headlines about Hillary? Can't she have a party with her supporters that doesn't also involve an endorsement? Why do it on a Friday or Saturday, which guarantees less coverage and less people watching or reading news?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:44 AM
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59. Most of her supporters are fine. HRC herself though is human garbage.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:18 AM
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69. I love a party where "respect" is a dirty word ...
Wake me up if and when the party regains its footing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:48 AM
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74. It's not a dirty word, it's a red herring. n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:32 AM
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71. When I stop hearing and reading about Hillary supporters threats...
to vote for McLame, and start hearing and reading about them backing Obama, then they will get some of my respect. Until then they are potential enemies of the Democratic party.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:44 PM
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90. I have no respect for Hillary, and, to her supporters I say
YOUR CANDIDATE IS UNWORTHY OF YOU!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:38 PM
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93. No, they indeed must be respected and welcomed into the Obama camp. We need them or we lose !
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:40 PM
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94. There are indisputably Obama supporters who think they should not be respected. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:50 PM
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96. I'd like to see what this actually means in a real world context
Let's say there's an Obama campaign office in a town (there are already many in swing states). If a Hillary Clinton supporter comes in volunteer or get a yard sign or bumper sticker, what are the staff and others to do?

Should former Edwards supporters have some kind of hand signal? Do Kucinich supporters do some small dancing dervish? Should everyone in the room where the Hillary Clinton supporter enters raise their arms like they are banshies at some Ninth Planet Zindork convention in the Outer Ridges in the Universe?

So Hillary Clinton fans are to be "respected" unlike the others? Do we Obama supporters owe them something? $20? A free back massage? What?

:shrug:

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 05:41 AM
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99. Clinton: I want my supporters "respected"
...puts Clinton above the entire Democratic Party.

It's disingenuous when she says she wants her supporters "respected". What she's really saying is that she, herself is not getting the respect that she feels she deserves. People haven't bowed and scraped enough.

She's not going to be a team player. She's going to put her own needs above everything else, and when that doesn't work, she'll start on a new angle. She will be a thorn in his side.


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