Hillary Clinton... Acting like a 2 year old. Stop it!!!!!!!!

[wowimthere]

Risky. Calculating. Selfish. And yes... CHILDISH. These are the unflattering characteristics I'm witnessing in a candidate I once believed would make a great first female president. Gladly, she won't be our first. That historic moment will be awaiting another woman who shall get to the highest office in the land on her own merits.

I'm young but in my years of voting, I have never ever seen a democratic presidential candidate running for the highest office in the land exhibit the kind of behavior that Hillary Clinton has. When someone explained that she needed some "time" to retire from her campaign in a way of her own "choosing", I thought... this is someone who everyone said was strong enough to be commander in chief. She had balls of steel as one of her supporters alluded. Hillary Clinton, the candidate who talked tough and voted tough and threw back shots like she was just one of the boys needed to be treated with "KID" gloves? This is a woman who screams sexism then talks like a racist and she needs to be handled very carefully? She throws a tantrum it seems whenever she can't get her way. She starts out as the inevitable candidate with a boatload of money and a gargantuan machine and she ends her campaign in the back seat, in debt and a depleted army largely because of the mistakes she made and now she wants to blame Obama because he won like David over Goliath in large measure playing the cleanest game politics has ever seen?

She felt a sense of entitlement and the fact that someone would actually run against her and win shaded her with a fuming child-like vengeance. That's right... she is being vengeful toward a candidate she didn't beat. The many faces of Hillary Clinton have arisen during her long fought campaign. She was warm and fuzzy toward Obama one moment in a debate and ranting at her opponent in the next breath about mailers. She has changed the goal posts of victory so many times that the goalposts are outside of the arena. And many in the media, political circles let her do it when she screamed loud enough. Was it about delegates or super delegates? Delegates! No, ummm super delegates... um maybe. I'll figure it out for you. Michigan and Florida don't count! The media climbs on board with her insistence. Now that she's lost, Michigan and Florida do count. Yes! Of course they do. Delegate count? No! It's the Popular vote. Every time she wanted her baby bottle she got it. If she was full on formula and screamed loud enough for more, she got it, it seems without question, without hesitation.

Now that she has lost, instead of doing the right thing - suspending her campaign, conceding, endorsing the presumptive nominee - on the day Obama reached the victory number, what does she do? She throws a shit fit! She doesn't suspend her campaign but instead tells the world that she hasn't made a decision. She throws her thumb in her mouth and toddles off the stage. And like parents scolding a child, congressional Democrats (20) and senators who supported her told her that she made a grave mistake throwing that tantrum on what should have been Obama's proudest moment.

Clinton is a grown up, People! But you wouldn't know it. The decisions she made were grown up decisions. You wouldn't know it though. Everyone knows that when you change the rules in the middle of the game then that's called cheating. She is of the age where she should have known better on many different fronts. From her IWR vote, and her web of lies regarding Bosnia and NAFTA to the mismanagement of her campaign and her hijacking and using her supporters for political gain, I find it quite breath-taking that Super Delegates and supporters alike have enabled her to behave like this.

If people can't see that holding her supporters in an attempt to gain access to the white house, in affect trying to tell the presumptive nominee how to run things then you are as delusional as she is. When you've lost the nomination you don't get your way with his office. That's common sense. People... stop enabling and coddling a grown-up who doesn't know any better. It's time for tough love. We've already seen Democrats coddle one president. Once in our lifetime is enough. We don't need to exhibit this kind of dysfunctional behavior with a candidate who has lost not only the election through her own faults but who has lost her way to adult-hood.

It seems the only candidate who made all of the grown up decisions in this historic race for the white house... was,,, indeed... Barack Obama. That's who should be our next president.

[NashVegas]

1. !!!!!!!!

Yeah, stop it.

[Yes We Did]

64. It's a polite way to... interpret the Phlager remarks. K&R

[wowimthere]

68. thanks DemDog78

[niceypoo]

98. Get over it...

It is over, it is time to start acting like a Democrat again.

Get the anger out of your system now, go see a good shrink, otherwise, have a nice life:

"At that point (June 11), the moderators and admins will step in and shut down the primary infighting. The vast majority of people on this site will be glad to be done with the primaries. Sadly, a very small number of bitter partisans will not be able to let it go, and will likely be removed from this community. Few people will miss them when they are gone.

-Skinner"

[papau]

115. Obama surrogates comments don't count - but Hill supporters do - love the unity

[mac2]

178. Unity to the PNAC

[papau]

207. nope - more like unity with the GOP as the OP drives 1/2 the party away

[BeyondGeography]

2. A fine rant

she'll do that to you.

K&R

[wowimthere]

41. thanks BeyondGeography

[Arugula Latte]

3. Agree completely. I've never seen a major candidate act like this.

It is unbelievable. I really never expected this type of behavior from her. She sank lower than I thought possible.

I am still furious that she put such a huge damper on Obama's victory on Tuesday. She has no class. None whatsoever.

[wowimthere]

4. it was a poltical move... done to ice his victory.

[wvbygod]

31. Class

Get back to us when you locate it.

[Arugula Latte]

103. Obviously you and your losing candidate wouldn't know it

if it bit you both in the ass.

[Poll_Blind]

143. Yep. I've never seen anything like it. A losing campaign with an INSOLENT tone.

  Ugh.

PB

[sallyseven]

181. You have never sen a Major candidate act that way?

How many have you ever really seen? She did not sink. The press was so obnoxious that they put information in you head without any basis of fact. They suckered you again. She won her state first. She spoke first after mcshame. 18.000.000 of us voted for Hillary Obama didn't get that many. Delegates smell agates the super delegates can change their votes at any time. Your candidate has won why the fk do you and your friends have to keep up the disgraceful rants.

[jakem]

5. Um, my 2 year old was not that bad. Please do not make such blanket statements.

[wowimthere]

11. lol

[Independent-Voter]

43. :)

[Darth_Kitten]

126. Why don't you act like an adult, then?

If you can't see the destructive, immature behaviours of certain posters on this site, then I feel sorry for you.

[jakem]

136. neener neener neener....

try the ignore button. you can shove your "sorry for me" right up your :dem:

[hokies4ever]

154. Well if it isn't Ms. Alert herself still lecturing people

:rofl:

[ima_sinnic]

166. gee, why don't you send one of your special grown-up PMs, "Ms. Maturity"?

check your mirror for "destructive, immature behaviours of certain posters on this site."

[Window]

6. Indeed, she has been mollycoddled throughout this campaign.

Great rant.

:kick:

[Renew Deal]

7. Well put and a worthwhile read.

:thumbsup:

[wowimthere]

8. thank you, Bleachers7

[Kablooie]

9. She was the president's WIFE for gods sake and thought that gave her the right be a president too.

I know that sounds terrible, but it's getting to seem that way.

The first female president should not be someone who rides in
on the coattails of her husband.

[Divernan]

60. My surgeon's wife has been there for years when his phone rings at three in the morning!

Ditto the fire chief, the police chief, etc., etc.

[Fly by night]

153. Well, when I was 15 years old ...

... and my Dad (a small-town physician who worked 80+ hours a week, still doing housecalls) would be so tired that the inevitable 3:00 am call would not awaken him, I occasionally dispensed medical advice to his patients (mostly "take two aspirin and call my Dad ... er, me ... in the morning").

Glad I was never sued for malpractice. Sorry no one ever awarded me a medical degree.

Thirty five years of experience? Yeah. Right.

Take two aspirin, Hillary. Just don't call us -- we'll call you. Really.

Fired up. Ready to go.

[Mme. Defarge]

66. Well said! n/t

[Frustratedlady]

10. Excellent! You spoke my feelings exactly.

I'm beginning to think that Chelsea is the only grownup in that family.

K&R

[wowimthere]

13. thank you Frustratedlady... yes Chelsea would probably make a fine president if she doesn't follow

in her mother and father's footsteps.

[greguganus]

22. Well she's already working for hedge funds so it doesn't look to good for her. n/t

[wowimthere]

91. that may very well be true

[Divernan]

65. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree - Chelsea backed up her mother's story re sniper fire.

And she is quietly engaged to a former presidential aide to her father, whose own dad is a politician doing time for defrauding customers, friends and relatives. Google "Marc Mezvinsky"
and get the scoop on his "upper class" (!) father. One wonders if the Clintons have any honest friends.
www.topix.com/us/democrat/2008/02/chelsea-clintons-boyfriends-dad-in-prison-for-fraud-scams
Chelsea Clinton's Boyfriend's Dad in Prison for Fraud, (Nigerian)Scams
Speculation that Chelsea Clinton is engaged to boyfriend Marc Mezvinsky has been the buzz for some time but if they do make it to the altar before November 2008, Mezvinsky's pop won't make it. Unless of course they are married in a Federal prison.

[Yes We Did]

213. No she didn't... She didnt' back it up.

She just didn't correct her. There is a difference. That said...
GoBama!

[Barack_America]

12. You're a day late. Rangel put her in "time-out" yesterday.

;)

But, FWIW, I agree.

[wowimthere]

14. I saw that and he shouldn't have had to... as an adult she should know better though

[RethugAssKicker]

15. You nailed it. I agree totally.

What a disgrace she is.

[wowimthere]

17. thanks, RethugAssKicker... maybe somewhere along the line she got bad advice and

keeps getting bad advice or she doesn't care.

[Yael]

16. Well done.

K&R

[wowimthere]

18. Thanks Yael

[izquierdista]

19. Preview of Saturday's speech

It won't be easy
You'll think it strange
When I try to explain how I feel
That I still need your love
After all that I've done
You won't believe me
All you will see
Is a girl you once knew
Although she's dressed up in pantsuits
She's slugging shots back with you

I had to let it happen
I had to change
Couldn't stay all my life down at heel
Looking out of the window
Staying out of the sun
So I chose freedom
Running around trying everything new
But nothing impressed me at all
I never expected it too

Don't cry for me faithful Hillbots
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance

And as for fortune and as for fame
I never invited them in
Though it seemed to the world
They were all I desired
They are illusions
They're not the solutions
They promise to be
The answer was here all the time
I love you and hope you will go to HillaryClinton.com

[wowimthere]

21. better than any speech she's given. good job. Lol.

[rebel with a cause]

125. Don't cry for me Argentina

Eva also was denied office.

For me Hillary gives women a bad name. I would never use emotions as a tool. That is why my kids call me "Brooklyn" because I act tough as nails even though I'm not.

[FunMe]

158. That's funny!

:rofl:

[razorman]

20. Why is anyone surprised by this? Hillary Clinton has always been this way.

[wowimthere]

23. I saw some of this. I did not see "All" of this coming. I really had no idea

she and her husband would behave this way as Democrats. I thought I was looking at a cross section of the Republican party and then she ignited other parts of this party that I never considered problematic for me.

[razorman]

25. I think that the problem that many on our side of the aisle have with this is

that the Clinton personae and tactics are now being used against a fellow Democrat. When Republicans were the object of it all, that was OK. But, for those who observed closely, it was obvious that the Clintons are fair-weather friends, and loyalty only flows one way in their world - toward them.

[wowimthere]

30. You signal my feelings exactly. I thought we'd had enough of this...

given what we've been through the last 7 years.

[otohara]

192. Me Neither - A Real Eye Opener

in regards to BOTH Clinton's. They are going to have to work real hard to heal the rifts they all by themselves caused during this primary.

[City Lights]

24. K&R.

Well said, wowimthere! :applause:

[bkcc]

26. Stop painting 2 year olds with such a broad brush.

It's not fair! ;)

P.S. You hit the nail right on the head.

[wowimthere]

27. I've been caught. Lol.

[Name removed]

28. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

29. Why is this board continued to be filled up with crud like this?

Senator Clinton is conceding and endorsing Obama. It will happen. Actually, it has already happened, it just becomes official in two days.

My guess is that even after that day I will still see this crap from a few people. Why? I have absolutely no idea. Some people just like to thrive on division. They care more about pretending they are right then what is best for the lot of us.

I think who exactly the spoiled 2 year old is quite evident from this meandering, senseless rant over absolutely nothing.

[wowimthere]

32. Lol. senseless? It's all in the examples. If Obama had done what she did, I'd have said the same

thing. I just call it as it is.

[springhill]

59. Bullshit!

And you know it.

[Catherina]

34. She is not conceding. She's suspending her campaign and keeping her name

on the ballot. She's also acting as crass as one can towards the opponent who beat her.

She's pathetic and an embarrassment to modern women.

[wowimthere]

38. A good show of unity would be to remove her name from the ballot box...

and for some, it is astounding that people don't see this for what it is. Her actions are little pinches at Obama to continuously divide and fracture. She is dividing to conquer. I'm surprised some of her supporters don't see this. The vast majority of her supporters do understand what's happening but some are still committed to this kind of behavior because they see this as fighting.

Fighting for a losing cause? Wow!

[gort]

58. I'll have to look it up, but I thought I heard

that if a candidate stops campaigning they can no longer raise funds.

By suspending the campaign until the convention I think that is an attempt to keep raising money.

Smarter people than me will know the complete answer.

[sybylla]

44. "They care more about pretending they are right then what is best for the lot of us."

Pot - meet kettle.

To pretend there is no value in the OP whatsoever is really all about thriving on division.

To pretend that HRC has already conceded and endorsed when those words have yet to be spoken by HRC is thriving on division.

But you are right in one thing, you will probably see this "crap" from a few people even after she "concedes and endorses" simply because as a politician who, by all accounts, intends to remain on the convention ballot, she is absolutely fair game for the deepest criticism.

Luckily, since you take issue with the OP, I expect you're rather certain HRC is a big girl and can handle it. So I'll expect to see you kicking those threads back to the top, like you just did.

[carolinayellowdog]

99. We've been tortured for more than six months

by Clintonista triumphalism, relentless aggression, and then self-pity, denial, intransigence, and finally threats. Since you asked! You think people should forgive and forget because she MIGHT concede on Thursday, Friday, Saturday or whenever the hell she gets around to it. When she actually DOES concede then you can look for kumbaya moments.

[awoke_in_2003]

170. "you can look for kumbaya moments"

Will we get to roast marshmellows over the fire, too? :)

[tularetom]

33. This sucker needs to be K & R'ed all day

Great rant!

:grr:

[wowimthere]

35. Thanks, tularetom.

[Zavulon]

36. K, R and

recognized as a good answer to the several thousand whiny "stop picking on our Ice Queen" threads we've had over the past couple of days.

[wowimthere]

40. thanks Zavulon

[Hutzpa]

37. Excellent post

Thank You for an excellent analysis of Senator Clintons behavor in this
campaign, unfortunately the press bought in to this notion that Hillary
has been vetted and Obama has not, this gave her the opening to abuse
her position which in turn led to her displaying delusional emotions.



:thumbsup:

[wowimthere]

39. you said it!

[asjr]

42. I have seen hate before but this takes

it to a new level. Are you pleased with yourself? Are you patting yourself on the back? Calling Hillary Clinton CHILDISH is what someone who hasn't grown up would say. This thread is vile and hateful and says much more about you and the ones who reply than anything else. Finger-pointing has become the new passtime for many here and is shameful!

[Poll_Blind]

45. For those who don't have the time to read the above message: Blah blah fucking BLAH. n/t

PB

[sybylla]

48. LOL! Duzy worthy in spades.

Thanks for the laugh! These long days of playing wackamole can get so boring.

[asjr]

50. You just proved my point!

[Poll_Blind]

53. You don't have a point. Just a telegram that you lost the war that you daren't open.

  You'll be stumbling out of the jungles in 40 years asking how the Empress is doing.

PB

[Catherina]

200. Hey! 'Blah blah fucking BLAH. n/t" is my line!

How funny to see it in print by someone else :hi:

[Yes We Did]

72. Vile and Hateful? No... That is what we've seen from Hillary.

Stop being a sore loser. Take your lumps. You deserve all you get.

[Binka]

101. Nah Finger Pointing Is What Hillary's Hubby Does

I think the OP sounds quite sincere and grown up, now you on the other hand well you sound much like Hillary! :eyes:

[beac]

120. "Finger-pointing has become the new passtime for many here"

and one YOU appear to enjoy quite a lot.

Glass houses and all... just sayin'

[Shae]

147. I have seen hate before but this takes . . .

it to a new level. Are you pleased with yourself? Are you patting yourself on the back? Calling the OP CHILDISH is what someone who hasn't grown up would say. This post is vile and hateful and says much more about you than anything else. Finger-pointing has become the new passtime for many here and is shameful!

See the irony?

[info being]

165. See I thought the post was too kind

[tomp]

180. wow, that's just plain stupid! nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

46. Great post. Good thing we didn't nominate a sore loser for President. Hillary is no leader.

[Skwmom]

47. Can't help but wonder if there is a method to her madness.

[Beacool]

49. Let it go already.

I can tell that you ARE young by the diatribe. There's been plenty of more contentious primaries than this one and where the candidates weren't even as close as this race.

Obama limped through the finish line thanks to the SDs. Congratulations to his supporters. Now, lay off Hillary!!!

[wowimthere]

52. See below... why should any of us forget her war vote? Wrong decisions from the beginning

wrong decisions at the end of her campaign.

[springhill]

63. Yes.........

And Kerry was pillaried like this on his war vote also. Not. You are such a hypocrite.

[juno jones]

119. I was uncomfortable with Kerry's war vote.

But I held my damn nose. He was the dem nominee after all. I wish it had been brought up at the time, but nobody was willing to hear it yet.

[juno jones]

117. Yes especially now that * is angling to keep us all in Iraq

no matter what, bypassing congressional treaty ratification by claiming it was all approved back in 2002 based on that vote. If Hillary has gotten us into a irreversible mess due to her political angling, may she rot. She's already responible for thousands of deaths. 50 bases in Iraq and endless war could be another result of the ill-considered vote for which she admitted she did not read the paperwork.

[Cherchez la Femme]

140. Yeah!

Cannibalism is fun!

Besides, unity is BOOORRRR-ING!

[Lerkfish]

55. "limped through the finish line" and you want us to lay off Hillary?

LOL! can you come up with perhaps some NEW material, and not the same xeroxed stuff? you're starting to bore me.

[Yes We Did]

61. Funny little creatures aren't they?

If you overfeed them, they're tummy's blow up. :evilgrin:

[Lerkfish]

86. lol!

[Yes We Did]

89. I've done away with several in that fashion.

It's really funny to see them explode... and then to look back and see that... "name removed" tag.

[Beacool]

80. Yes, limped through the finished line.

He never closed the deal and it was handed over to him by the SDs.

:shrug:

[Lerkfish]

84. plonk and a permanent plonk this time.

[D23MIURG23]

118. "limped through" with the majority of pledged delegates.

How was Hillary going to win again?

[Beacool]

163. Neither one had the pledged delegates to win the nomination

without the super delegates, so "limped" is the proper word. He didn't close the deal on his own, and neither did she. It was almost even.

[D23MIURG23]

174. 2118 is a majority of delegates including superdelegates.

And he had also a majority of pledged delegates. The percentages come out as follows (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/">based on the numbers at CNN)

Total delegates:
Obama: 53%
Clinton: 47%

Pledged:
Obama: 52%
Clinton: 48%

You can call that limping if you want, but if it had happened all at once and been reported in percentages I don't think you would.

[Binka]

104. Hey Lerk Buddy You Could Point Out To "Ignored" That Many Triathlons Are Won With The Victor

Limping across the finish line. They are still the winner! :evilgrin:

[Lerkfish]

162. heh. thanks binka!

good point.

[Lugnut]

75. I've been around for a while

Nobody would ever mistake me for a young person and I've never seen anything like it.

[SkyIsGrey]

113. Limp to the finish Line You say?

What if the S.D.s' leaned Her way?

[Shae]

150. It would be a completely different matter,

I suppose. In Hillaryworld.

:crazy:

[Beacool]

164. Then she would have "limped" across the finish line.

Neither one had the necessary pledged delegates to close the deal.

[D23MIURG23]

116. Hearing a Clinton supporter whine about SDs is the height of irony.

Haven't the SDs been the ones Clinton was holding out for for the past 2 months? Or do you not remember the pre- "popular vote" days?

[Bette Noir]

123. Must be a problem with short-term memory loss.

She had a different story every day, and we weren't ever supposed to call her on her inconsistencies.

When Barack had a commanding lead in the popular vote, she said, "It's all about the delegates."

The primary season ended with Barack still ahead in all metrics, including the popular vote. Hillary doesn't count the contests Barack won, but she does count states that didn't hold Democratic primaries (I'm looking at you, Michigan.).

[rebel with a cause]

127. I was ready to stop saying anything yesterday but

then the "so called" Hillary supporters went to town telling everyone to quit attacking Hillary while posting anything negative they could come up with about Barack. I actually left the board yesterday so as not to say anything. Today I came back and I will say what I please. I do not go to the Hillary threads or those started by Hillary supporters. If you can't take what we say, I would suggest you do the same. Freedom of speech you know.

[shellgame26]

159. 2187-1925 Had it been the other way around

You would be saying Hillary beat Obama by a wide margin. Hypocrisy must be a genetic defect.
Back in March when it became clear that she wasn't going to catch up in the delegate count was it not Hillary touting all her superdelegate support? BTW She still hasn't even managed to reach to original magic number of 2025 (before she threw her tantrum to have the goal post moved). But oh yeah...Obama just barely made it!

[wowimthere]

51. There is a message. Her message seems to be politics 24/7 at the expense of others

People who are looking at the fact that I wrote the post but not the substance of it. What roils me more than anything is the fact that people can be more upset at posts like this and less upset about her IWR vote in which more than 4000 Americans have been killed over a war that a sitting president calculatedly misled us into. Her vote drove the bus into the ditch and it has left many trying to figure out how to get us out. Now we have a president who can deliver on the goods.

I was for Hillary before I was against her. Her war vote lost her the nomination. Be upset that she cast that vote along with people who had nefarious intentions.

[badgerpup]

54. Good lord, I just thought of sumpin'....

As a nation, our reputation is already in the crapper when it comes to respect, popularity and street cred- thanks to the regime of the Current Occupant.

Can you imagine what the reaction of the rest of the Free World would be if our next leader displayed the above-described kind of behavior towards other world leaders?
:wow:
:hide::yoiks:

[EFerrari]

56. If she just obliterated them, we wouldn't have to worry about it!

:hi:

[springhill]

57. Oh brother.............

She threw a shit fit? Where in her speech did you get that? And, oh by the way, she isn't the first candidate not to concede and endorse after bowing out. Your candidate just won and all you can do is continue the ranting of a lunatic out of countrol, overdosed on Hillary hate. And you want her to grow up? You need to get over your Hillary obsession, really.

[sybylla]

102. And yet you're the one here

who is adamantly defending a candidate who is no longer in contention for the spot on the ticket - by her very own words - with unfounded assumptions, mischaracterizations and a degree of bile that frankly borders on hate.

It's over. I find it ironic that HRC supporters are spouting this all over DU today as they trash anyone who dares to criticize Madam Clinton. If it's over, why waste your time, your emotional energy, your precious minutes on this earth engaging in the trashing?

Who here has the Hillary obsession?

[Binka]

106. Thank You!

Oscar Wilde said "There are no good or evil people, only tedious or charming ones." I am tedious-ed OUT. Basta! Be gone all vanquished maidens from the forest of hillary. Your girl is done.

[sybylla]

109. Nice quote

I'm confiscating it :hi:

[Binka]

110. Go Right Ahead!

Wilde had a way with words.

[fudge stripe cookays]

168. Well,

I'm confiscating the "Basta!" part. I thought it was better! :D

[SkyIsGrey]

114. I have a paraphrase of that quote..

Not as charming though, given to me by a classmate years ago.

"There are two types on this world, decent People and assholes"

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

62. Thank YOU, VERY well said.

In more than 40 years in the campaign business I have never seen anything like it.

Every party leader has been giving her not-so-subtle hints for weeks.

The Dodgers lost 2-1 the other day, in Los Angeles even. But we can't put it into the record book until they come to grips with it? Until they chose "their own time and way" to express their grief? The loser medal and ribbon have to be bigger than the winner's?

My total and complete lack of respect has absolutely nothing to do with racism, sexism, or any other "ism" but it has completely to do with childish behavior.

The fact that Democratic commentators have been aghast at this disfunctional behavior has nothing to do with who the candidate is, nor does it have to do with the candidate's gender. It is simply shock.

The "poor picked-upon Hillary" sentiments from Senator Clinton's more rabid supporters is simply playing the "sexism card" where none exist. People demonstrate both good and bad behavior regardless of their color and/or gender.

Trying to one-up Senator Obama's historic moment was childish. Not acknowledging his victory on election night was even more childish. Touting why "I am STILL the better candidate - the winner" was so far beyond childish as to be incomprehensible.

Even in her email today, Senator Clinton tells us she is going to "congratulate Senator Obama" and "support the nominee." For what? For being a nice guy? For running a nice race? Until she actually says "congratulate Senator Obama for winning the race" she has NOT lived up to her responsibility.

[wowimthere]

69. thank you IllinoisBirdWatcher... very well said. I like all of the analogies

[aka-chmeee]

185. When the Dodgers lost,

I'll bet they didn't walk off the field till the game was officially over....regardless of the score. Hillary could have done the same... stayed on the field until the last out of the last inning at the convention.
The only way she could have pleased the Obama supporters here was to have quit the instant Obama declared his candidacy.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

195. spin it whatever way you want

but every other candidate took their time, but got out before the end.

Feel free to parse it in such a way that the game isn't over until it is etched in stone in some record book. Meanwhile the Fat Lady had sung a long time ago.

Today some commentators are complaining that it is sexually demeaning to call Senator Clinton "Hillary" and call other candidates, including Senator Obama, by their last names. They went so far as to google-up and count the references to prove their point.

But the funny thing is that it is the "feminist" supporters who identify with and use the familiar "Hillary" while refering to the nominee as simply "Obama."

And of course, we have Ellen Malcom, the leader of the most blatantly sexist organization in politics - EMILY's List, making her official statement today. Like Senator Clinton, she gets close, but like Senator Clinton, the word "endorse" is not yet in her vocabulary...

"And now that it is over, I wholeheartedly congratulate Barack Obama."

Congratulate him for what???

Hopefully, once Senator Clinton actually concedes, Ellen will also.

As with Senator Clinton's widely criticized speech on Tuesday, Ellen now seems to be furthering the mythology of unity with statements like this:

"Voters in every state and territory were drawn to Hillary's message of progressive change, and they turned out in force, giving her almost 18 million votes -- more than any presidential primary candidate in history. She emerges from this campaign an even more powerful national leader....

Those of us who have been wholehearted supporters of Sen. Clinton feel disappointment and sadness, even anger, that this opportunity to elect a fine candidate and the first woman president is passing us by...

My heart is with you, as I am working through my own emotional turmoil. I fervently believe that this anger and grief will subside, leaving me with a deep sense of pride at what Hillary has accomplished for women. But I have not yet reached that point in my journey, and I know many of you feel the same way."

Folks like Ellen are welcome to work through their grief. However, as a presumed influential Democrat, she doesn't need to be spewing it forth to the entire mailing list and taint our unity.

So, if a well-qualified, strongly pro-choice guy is running for an office, and a less-qualified woman candidate is running for the same office, EMILY's List supports the woman for what non-sexist reason?

I have financially supported EMILY's List for many years. I strongly support the effort to put qualified women in government and have actually been successful with it. However, with public pronouncements like Ellen's, it seems she and her fellow-thinkers are the ones who need to deal with their sexism.

[Mme. Defarge]

67. Well written and well said!

She is a disgrace.

[wowimthere]

70. Thanks Mme.Defarge... well when you use republican ideas as a way of winning

then I suppose you've run out of good ones.

[Lugnut]

71. And there it is.

Well said.

[wowimthere]

76. Thank you Lugnut

[samsingh]

73. where was Hillary when the office was being stolen from Al Gore

she wasn't on the front lines asking every vote to be counted.

[wowimthere]

78. come to think of it... no she wasn't. I hadn't thought about that.

[Egnever]

74. succinctly put

You have expressed my feeling towards her actions very well.
I was just talking to my wife about the fact that Hillary has made the wrong move so many times. She could be very powerful right now, instead through her petulant actions she has diminished her standing and in fact lost a large measure of the power she could be wielding. Had she ended this thing with grace she would have likely been able to write her own ticket, be it senate leader Governor of NY whatever. She has taken that away from herself. Its a shame.


Kicked and recommended.

[wowimthere]

81. Well put Egnever. well put.

[onehandle]

77. What a crybaby post.

Die GD-P, Die.

She'll be out on Saturday and Obama will be our next President.

[wowimthere]

79. many and men and women are crying because 4000 soldiers fought on the premise of a lie she

voted for. That's not unimportant.

[onehandle]

85. Really? I hadn't heard that.

Obama better be our nominee.

Oh, look. He is.

[Yes We Did]

88. Then you must watch too much CNN and Fox.

They don't cover stuff like that any more.

[rebel with a cause]

138. You know what

I was angry at MSNBC for having so many stories on Hillary and I just wanted it to end. Then I sat down and watched Hardball and it dawned on me. The thing Hillary did on Tuesday night was to get the spotlight on her and not on Obama, and that is what she did. The only problem is that it is a negative spotlight and she is not the hero she thought she would be.

There was one story on there today that she did not intend to give in as soon as she is going to. (I think we all knew that) In her mind, all of her supporters would send her messages to continue and she would use those thousands of emails to get what she wanted from Obama and the SD. Instead she got messages that she should quit, and not only that but her congressional supporters backed that sentiment up. As Rangel said, they were so angry that they were not seeing straight. Now why were they so angry.

Well, all through this campaign Hillary has said that it would be up to the SD to decide who the nominee would be. Monday and Tuesday, her campaign spent their time calling these SDs for them to come out for her. That didn't happen. Instead they came out for Obama and some of those already pledged to her joined them. Her plan to win with the help with the SD went down the drain and she had no way to stop the flow. Losing was not the big problem, how she lost was the problem. Charging the unfairness of it should not be brought up by her or her supporters because it was how she planned on winning. Her plan fell though not because of gender but because of the way they ran her campaign and the fact that some Democrats are tired of being used by the Clintons. this is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard from her campaign.

[ampad]

82. K/R

Great Post, I wonder if this is on it's way to being locked?

[wowimthere]

83. thank you ampad

[DKRC]

87. K&R!

:toast:

[wowimthere]

90. thank you DKRC

[Willo]

92. Excellent rant K&R

The amount of head-in-the-sand, pretzel-bending, soul-selling support and enabling she has received is both fascinating and scary.
Future history books and documentaries are going to be heavily edited to make her look good. It starts with distorting the truth while attempting to muzzle the truth sayers:

"Let it go already"
"That's not what she said"
"Only a moron/fool/idiot/sexist/mysognysist/repuke/troll would say or think that"


And you don't suspend your candidacy at the END of the race...sheesh!

[wowimthere]

93. you are correct. And I love the logo.

[Phred42]

94. She's been acting like a woman getting divorced

Hillary is acting like a Woman getting divorced

- Out of her mind
- totally self absorbed
- lashing out in stupid ways
- she whats EVERYONE to feel as bad as she does therefore no intention of ending the pain for those around her
- Economically suicidal - Would prefer to see the Lawyers get all of the money rather than give anything up.
- Just wants to hurt 'the other guy' in any way possible.

[rebel with a cause]

141. Okay not all women act that way,

in fact some men act that way. I was guilty of the first three maybe. Didn't want any money and didn't want the lawyers to get it either until he started making false claims. Then I called his lawyer every time he did and he got charged. Didn't want to hurt him much, considering all he was doing to me, I only wanted him gone. If he had stayed away and let me get the divorce he would have been out no money, and had nothing said about him because I didn't want to hurt our kids.

So I suggest you say "She's acting like someone getting a divorce." Otherwise I have to agree it is sexist.

[Phred42]

151. Granted - But of the 6 couples (Friends) I've watched get divorced

Some friends women, some men and some friends with both

This is what I've seen in all but one - I've never seen the male partner act like this

Just my experience.

[rebel with a cause]

152. You should have been with me.

By the way, my lawyer was free, he paid for his and she had to take him to court to get her money. My lawyer was not that good, but she was FREE.

I did a no fault divorce, but he kept making allegations against me that I had to stand up to. They were all false and stupid.

He came to my house and demanded money almost every week. I was going to school and he was working, but he still expected me to give him money because "he needed it" and I had our two children and no child support.

It was suppose to take 3-4 months for my divorce to be final. The day it was awarded the judge finalized it. The lawyer told me that he couldn't bother me anymore, but I would have to be the one to stop him.

I did have a little help from the state while I went to school. I was unable to work at manual labor. When, after the divorce, we were taken to court for the back child support that was owed the state, my ex acted like he couldn't understand English and the lawyers became so exhausted that I was asked by the court to pay my own back child support and they put it in the decree that he was suppose to pay me back. Of course he never did and he told every one that the court found that I owed it and not him. So I am one of the few women that paid back child support for children that I supported.

When the court began taking child support out of his check and sent it to me, he showed up at my door asking for it back.

Everytime he had visitation with my kids, he followed me around harrassing me about what I was doing. (He was already dating, I was not. In fact I have never dated anyone else because I am afraid of getting in the same circumstances.) He has made our life hell for the last seventeen years with a few breaks where he gets busy and forgets he has two children.

Just a few reasons that I went insane when I got my divorce. Also, just having any freedom at all made me a little nuts.

[Phred42]

173. just my experience

as a third party observer

Most women become vindictive as hell and her and her lawyer (generally paid by the husband regardless of the income of the couple) just wear the guy down until he is willing to do anything just to get away from her.

One of these was suing her x 10 years later when his mother died, just to get a piece of THAT.

again just my observations.

[rebel with a cause]

201. My experiences are the opposite

I didn't do any of these things and I know women who have not either.

Most women I know are either heartbroken throughout the divorce process and just let the man run over them, or like me are so tired of the way they have been treated they just do anything to be free of the man.

If the woman that sued the husband 10 years later has children by him, and if he is just paying the minimum child support, then I could understand her doing that. Not that I would, but I could understand circumstances where she might. I did not even get half of my childrens medical expenses paid by him, although it was part of the divorce agreement. Other than the child support for my youngest, I didn't even ask for any support for my seventeen year old daughter, I have got no support from him.

My ex has been financially better off than I was most of the time we have been divorced. He has owed me money for all that time, but he never paid me back. Instead when I was at my lowest (sick and with no income), he would give me gifts of ten/twenty dollors ever so often. I thanked him for it, but when I finally told him that I considered his gifts as payments on what he owed me (a debt owed for over fifteen year), he did not like it. Why? Because 1) it took away his having the upper hand 2)he was telling everyone that he was financially supporting me. (ha) 3) It made him feel less like the big man who was being kind to someone less worthy than himself.

I am not alone in this type of experience. Men have walked off and left women with children to make it on their own more than women have. Divorced women are usually left in poverty and have to struggle to make it, and work hard to get their lives in order. I don't want to tell you except maybe you should do some research on this and realize that your experiences are probably unusual or you are only seeing the man's side of the story. And I am not saying there are not vindictive women out there, I had a friend(?) that I could write a book on how shallow and greedy she was. But some of us have reason to get revenge, and don't.

[Phred42]

215. Of Course.

Well - It would appear that Hillary has fit my experiences more than yours.

done

[rebel with a cause]

216. Of course

but then Hillary may be the exception and not the rule. done :rofl:

edited to add emotion. ;)

[DireStrike]

95. Seems like she's trying too hard to act like what she thinks people want

Ah well, it happens to the best of us. And possibly to the worst of us also.

[sam kane]

96. I take offense on behalf of all two year olds

when it is someone else's birthday, they generally let them blow out the candles...with help, of course, but the get it that it is someone else's day. They have not learned how to be this complicated yet.

[carolinayellowdog]

97. No more spoiled brats!

The entitlement attitude that Dubya derives from being son of a POTUS, Hillary derives from being the wife of one. I never thought I'd consider her to be as immature as Bush-- she's a hell of a lot smarter-- and even now I hope she can pull back from the brink. Mark Penn and Bill Clinton are the real evil geniuses in all this. Hillary is either their hapless tool for eternity or someone who can salvage her own reputation from the ruins those two guys have left her. That means sincerely endorsing Obama. Can she?

[lucky leftie]

100. Yawn. Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

I hope this isn't contagious!

And btw, what will it take to make you partisans of hope happy? You got what you wanted, but Hillary is still breathing oxygen, and that makes you mad. The other pro-Obama blogs are just as bad; it's over but the chronic malcontents in the Obama camp just can't stop bashing the Clintons. It's obviously a sickness.

Personally, I hope she chooses not to join the ticket. Let him win or lose this thing on his own. But I sincerely hope he offers it to her, and that she takes a little while to think about it. The sound of heads exploding on blogs like this one will resound throughout the land.

[sybylla]

107. It's not over until Hillary concedes

Of course, you're next post will likely be to tell me it is as she has announced she's about to "congratulate Sen. Obama." But if it's over, then what does a post criticizing HRC matter to you? Isn't it a bit self-destructive to hop around DU trashing posters for criticizing a candidate supposedly no longer in the race?

Clinton Derangement Syndrome indeed!

[Binka]

108. Bashing? Bashing You Say?

I hope what you have isn't contagious either. We might all be splattered with pepperoni! Welcome to DU and have a Clintastic afternoon.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

131. Oh, it's contagious, all right. If she keeps this crap up, the whole damned country will catch it.

[defendandprotect]

105. You didn't mention the PETITION . . nor her trying to hold onto her delegates . .. ????

That's the first step AFTER the finish line that has me agog!!!

HRC is nuts!!!

[Raine]

111. Agree, she needs to GROW UP and quit acting like a spoiled

brat who has lost her toy in the sandbox! :mad:

[Hamlette]

112. to those of us who have been around for a time. . .

I've had to be reminded me that Gary Hart "went to the convention". His supporters were convinced that once the convention heard him speak they would throw it all over and vote for him.

Kennedy probably contributed to Carter's problems with his "antics" in 1980.

I'm pretty pissed at Hillary but trust me, it ain't the first time and it won't be the last.

[mac2]

121. Get over it.

Obama supporters are just too ready to dismiss any other candidate. It's not democracy at work but hounding on a grand scale.

[Raineyb]

128. We don't have any other candidate

Dude (or dudette) it's done, finished, terminated, ended, through.

Her behavior was on Tuesday night was appalling, graceless, classless, and puerile.

It's time to concede and move on so we can kick McSame's ass. McSame has had a free ride for about two months. We don't have time to deal with bruised egos. Perhaps had Senator Clinton suspended her campaign earlier since she was mathematically unable to gain the nomination some time ago, we may have had the luxury of time; but alas, we have not.

Besides, do we really need to coddle someone who was running for President?

Regards

[mac2]

176. 184 posts....

That's the point there is no other candidate who is anti-war and globalization. Things we wanted ended in a mandate in 2006.

Whose coddling anyone? Fact is the hounding and bad language is more than I've ever seen in any primary race in my long years. It's not acceptable and we will suffer for it. Change all right but not for democracy and freedom.

I hope I am wrong but the candidates were all in power previously and went along. They are all members of those secret organizations who decide our fate behind closed doors. They are puppets. PNAC moves forward.

Learn to be more companssionate and clean up your hate. They divide us for a reason.

[Raineyb]

197. Hate?

Perhaps you should get your vision checked. Pointing out disgusting behavior is not hate. I don't hate Clinton, I won't ever vote for her again for Senate but I don't hate her. I hate what she did to this primary. This could have been great opportunity to discuss the direction in which our country should be heading. Instead, we get dog whistling, patronized to and insulted by her husband, and charges of racism from certain groups of white people, who just happen to be Clinton supporters, who are angry at black people for voting for the candidate for whom they did not approve. In addition, we've seen a blatant double standard in how Obama is being treated vs how other nominees had been treated and people close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la, la, la, I can't hear you." Very few have called the Democratic party out on that particularly disgraceful bit of bullshit.

Here it is three days after Obama gets enough delegates to become the nominee and we still have no concession from a candidate who has simply become untrustworthy. If that weren't enough the claim that she's conceding on Saturday, which I won't believe until I see it with my own two eyes, had to be forced out of her by her own supporters! So yes Clinton is behaving gracelessly and puerilely which I was under the impression is the point of the original post to which you replied. You stated that Obama folks are too quick to dismiss other candidates. I'm merely pointing out that there aren't any at this point.

As to your point, yes we could have had a more progressive candidate but we don't so we deal with what we have, God knows I've had to hold my nose on more than one occasion to vote Democratic before, but at least this time we may have a chance to have a President with whom we can work. Which will be a hell of a lot better than the 90's when we had a candidate who ran as a populist and governed as a moderate Republican. A true populist and progressive wouldn't have passed NAFTA, repealed Glass-Steagall, which by the way plays a rather large role in the abysmal state of our economy today. Nor would a true populist and progressive have gratuitously passed that welfare-deform bill just to score a couple of political points while so many people who may have gone out in the street sat back because the President signing these laws was a Democrat.

The Democratic party has been worshiping at the Clinton throne for far too long. It's time to move on. Unfortunately, like the comedian who's bombed on stage yet insists on telling just one more joke to turn it around, Clinton will not get off the bloody stage.

But it's supposedly hateful to point out that she needs to go? Something is very wrong with that picture.

I was not under the impression that people who do not have a lot of posts under their name were forbidden to make a point until they've managed to post more. With such an odd rule it must make it difficult to get new blood into the mix.

Regards

[Bette Noir]

122. I wish her a comfortable and happy retirement.

Starting immediately.

[mac2]

177. She's still a Senator and a woman we need in Congress.

Do your losers in this primary go away just because you think you won something? They are all of the same Congressional frat club. I told you they would stop fighting and ask us to unite in the end. This time we can't even fight for a platform. Dean and Obama decide for us.

[Darth_Kitten]

124. Read GDP, a 2 year old would watch in wonder the antics of the Obamabots.

n/t

[Willo]

129. Only if the parents weren't teaching them right from wrong

Mommy why are they so upset at Hillary

Because she told a few lies, invented stories, cheated and divided people into numerous angry camps.

Is that bad, Mommy?

No dear, some people are just sexist. Did you break that lamp?

Umm, no mommy, it was the Cat in the Hat.

[shellgame26]

160. lovely!

Right on the money.

[trickyguy]

130. In my teaching I really dislike spoiled children. And I really hate spoiled adults.

And Hillary fits the bill here. She didn't win the game so she'll take her marbles somewhere else.

And then to drag the entire country through three days of wondering what she's going to do.

Will she finally concede or is she up to some other scheme? She is definitely one spoiled rotten adult.

[gulfcoastliberal]

132. K&R - the Clinton's and their dead-ender cultist supporters have proven to be the epitome of sleaze!

They are indeed lower than the pre-historic mammoth shit that is now thawing out in the Siberian tundra!

Hillary is one helluva vile hag!

[Divine Discontent]

133. you're not the only one, obviously! thank you!

this is what most Democrats feel. Her words and actions are very damaging to our party. She doesn't get it, because she's about 'her'. I hope she gives him a REALLY great endorsement, and then goes away.


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[Jefferson23]

134. I don't think she acts like a 2 year old at all.

Senator Clinton is a very intelligent and powerful calculating politician. I don't like her politics, nor her campaign strategy, but she is fighting for her political life..its a pretty ugly thing to watch. Saturday will be a turning point for her, I for one will be watching and listening to see what direction she takes next.

[Major Hogwash]

135. Totally righteous post!!

It freaked me out that she couldn't endorse Obama on Tuesday after telling everyone that she was ready to lead this country for the last 17 months.

No, first she had to think about it.
WTF?
Think about what? Look at the fucking scoreboard!!

There was nothing to think about, except I guess for her to ask for more money, the worst mistake she ever made during a RECESSION!!!!

I was stunned. I was completely speechless, and yet here we were, being asked to give her "her space".

Fuck, I'll tell ya what, it's like my brother said Tuesday night, if she wasn't ready to concede and endorse Obama that night - that very night - how in the hell would she be at negotiations with Iran over WMD's??

Mama fucking mia! It was totally inappropiate and totally ungraceful.

The books that will be written about the S.S. Hillary getting grounded on the rocks are going to be best sellers!!!
Mark my words.
They will be.

[quickesst]

137. Obama won....

...and still the hate continues. I sometime wonder exactly how far O supporters would take their anger had he lost. I shudder to think. Thanks.
quickesst

[rebel with a cause]

142. Not as far as Hillary has taken hers.

The anger continues because your candidate continues. Obama would have conceded and been gracious. We would have been angry if she had not won fair, but he did win fair so this is different from that. If things were the same and Clinton had been the one who had won the most deligates, I would have been disappointed but I would hot do what I see some Hillary supporters doing on this blog. To be truthful, I would have not come back to this board and I would not have taken any more notice of the presidental race. In November I would decide if I would vote for Hillary, for the Green candidate, and just stay home. I would not speak out against her, I would not campaign against her, and I would NOT vote for mccain.

this continues because she came out Tuesday night not to do what she should but what she could. She lost even more ground when she did that with not only us but with many of her supporters. Then she came out and said that she would concede on Friday, but then no that would be the day she would have a big party/celebration for her campaign workers. Now she says it will be on Saturday that she endorses Obama, but nobody believes her any more because she has played her little mind games too many times to be taken seriously. What is said here is not out of hate, it is out of anger because she has not done the right thing.

[colorado thinker]

139. Don't forget undignified.

Really. And what makes me the most angry is that men have been saying for years that a woman couldn't be President because we are all "too shrill and emotional". So, when we finally get a real shot at it, she waffles, flip flops and ends up looking shrill and emotional.

Damn it.

[rebel with a cause]

144. Exactly,

She has set women back as much as/maybe more than she has brought them forward. Yes, she is the first woman to get as far as she did in the campaign but it was not her accomplishment as much as it was bills. I hate even saying that, but when people were mad at him she lost, when he was on his game she won. Then how she handled her part of it was.....well, I am not even going there. It is just sad. And those women that represented her last Saturday....Ms Christian.....Who can ever forget that representive for woman kind. I hang my head in shame.

[texastoast]

145. Get some grace and grow up

Give up your rants. Leave it.

You need to be using your energy to fight the repukes. Hello.

[tomp]

184. why don't you send that message to hillary?

you probably actually believe that she is working with obama behind the scenes to "unite the party". well, there is no santa cllaus and no tooth fairy. hillary is making deals for her own best interests, and it is no tribute to obama that he is giving her the time of day.

[whathappened]

146. don't think we got it right

i no ya can't take this to the bank , but i just feel this whole hillery and obama has been a setup from day 1 , all the good running canadates have been passed over and here we are left with these 2 , i just feel something up and down my spine there is something up with this election , just can't get a handle on it but it smells and taste like a setup

[paulk]

148. Change! Hope! Unity!

You people are Obama's own worse enemies.

[Tab]

149. Obama fans - stop acting like 2 year-olds! We're on the SAME SIDE!

Good lord - a more childish group of kids, I've never seen.

This is a POLITICAL CONTEST. We WANT a good set of choices and fighters. Talk about whining. Does the Clinton side dis Obama to anything approaching the hatred you seem to have for Clintons?

GROW UP!! You say you're young, AND IT SHOWS. Hillary is not the enemy - the GOP is!

[hokies4ever]

156. "my opponent"

Everytime Hillary said this, she was referring to Obama. She was preconditioning her supporters to think that McCain was OK but Obama was evil. Looks like some Obama supporters got her message indeed.

[iburl]

161. Yes.

"Does the Clinton side dis Obama to anything approaching the hatred you seem to have for Clintons?"

Yes. And Ms. Clinton has gone out of her way to undercut Obama, while he has been extremely defferential to her tantrums.

[Tab]

169. REALLY? Show me one of her "tantrums"

Or grow the ef up.

[wowimthere]

190. If she uses dirty tricks like a GOP... ooops. Hey after today the show is about Obama

This post is because people give her a free pass on her tactics (like you) and fail to realize the consequences of this. She lost and so why did she have to give a rally to say I haven't made any decisions. She doesn't know better. Like her IWR vote she didn't know any better. She didn't even read it. Talk about childish. If you don't think matters of war and death are important then you're in the same boat. I'm asking people to get out of that boat and come ashore.

[hokies4ever]

155. An amazing Keith Olbermann-like 'Special Comment'

Your words resonate deeply with me. Bravo! :patriot:

[Dystopian]

157. # 99 *K&R*

Great post, thanks!

peace~

[Revlon10]

167. Kicked and Recommended.

Kicked and Recommended.

[DailyGrind51]

171. Fr. Michael Pleger was wrong about only one thing.

Hillary believed she was entitled not because she is white, but because she is Hillary!

[southern_belle]

172. Well said. n/t

[stillrockin]

175. Basta!

[Seldona]

179. And your point is? Is this supposed to help somehow?

Talk about a baby with their bottle! I haven't seen so many 'NA NA NA NA NA!' posts in, well, ever.

If this is how Obama and his supporters expect to win people over you can say hello to President McCain. Grow up!

[wowimthere]

189. Hillary really made this election a referendum on... Her. It should help people remember

that when you run a scorched earth campaign right after a scorched earth presidency then people get tired of it and this is the result. Her war vote is what got her in trouble but she has added to it. No one is going to forget that IWR vote until she really steps aside.

[MsUnderstood]

182. why don't you stop it

You rant on as if you and hillary are 3 year olds in the same preschool room fighting over the toys dignity and tantrum.

You don't know this person and just because she is running for public office doesn't give you the right to treat her with disrespect, call her names, accuse her of immoral acts (cheating). You go on about hillary is a grown up but forget the rules grown ups taught you in every paragraph.

Oh I know democrats and republicans have been doing it for years (starting back with Bill Clinton) but its just that attitude of treating a politician like he is your drunk neighbor peeing in the street that really erodes political discussion.

So stop ranting on like you and Hillary run in the same circles (you dont) and try wording your frustration into a less disrespectful tantrum next time.

Hillary LOST! I get it, the world gets it, she gets it. But she is going to accept defeat how she wants to and you hostility doesn't make her resign her fate any sooner. It only serves to fuel angry fire when we need to heal wounds and move forward.

So act like a grown up and follow mama's advice "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all"

[Sundoggy]

183. The irony in your title is just too funny n/t

[wowimthere]

187. One question... were you okay with her war vote?

[MsUnderstood]

196. Honestly I couldn't care what she voted

I don't care what Hillary VOTED for or WHAT OBAMA voted for because IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER. It is in fact sad if you want to talk about her voting record (unless you are a new yorker and she is running for senator this November then move on over to that state forum) When she is NO LONGER a presidential candidate.

Those who foolishly lash out with "I will NOT vote unless it is hillary" and those fools who continue to beat up on the loosing candidate aren't DOING ANYTHING to advance the political discussion.

Look--she lost, he won, stop beating a dead horse by crying out "look how badly she is loosing".

When you loose it doesn't matter how you do it--you've lost anyway. All the personal attacks on each candidate crying foul when a candidate doesn't loose your way is ridiculous.

The real focus of ANY DEMOCRAT is this:

HOW do we STOP the republican war machine from returning to the white house and continuing blood for oil, corrupted politics, poor economic choices.

WE fight over obama and hilary as if they were on opposite ends of the spectrum (news flash they are not) and we beat up on one over the other as if it matters.

[wowimthere]

202. It doesn't matter what a candidate votes? You're serious? If infact Hillary

was the nominee and Obama had run a scorched earth campaign I'd be tossing the same red meat criticisms at him as well. Yes we should come together and we will but look, we don't want the kind of politics we've seen over the last 8 years... anymore. Talking about what happened for a week helps ensure that we don't repeat it.

[Javaman]

186. Hillary, you are getting a time out, young lady!! nt

[raebrek]

188. quit it n/t

[Sequoia]

191. Touche'.

[placton]

193. Please - listen to Skinner

and shut your piehole. Yeah, Hill is evil and so are those millions of us who disagree with you. Nothing to see here - let's move on. One question: do you think Obama wants us Hill-ites votes? Apparently this writer doesnt.

[ExPatLeftist]

194. "Be nice or "we" will vote for McCain!!!"

Fucking despicable and totally illogical.

[MsUnderstood]

198. She is down, let's kick her again

Just as despicable and completely WORTHLESS (oh did I mention vulgar--no need for that).

And those Hillites don't have to vote for mccain they can get disgusted and give up.

So accept gracefully the resignation (however ungracefully or delayed it is given in your opinion) and embrace your candidate.

Learn to focus on the positive.

[wowimthere]

205. This post was written when she didn't concede and endorse. When she goes down that path and

endorses Obama so that We CAN get the primaries behind us, I think we will be able concentrate on McCain and the Neo-Cons. This post would never have been written if she had made her intentions known before the rally or during her rally.

[ExPatLeftist]

212. Spot on. n/t

[ExPatLeftist]

211. Please, tell me how I should act...

:eyes:

Arrogant IMO.

I am still upset and frustrated at Hillary and at those of her supporters that spew veiled (or not so) threats here every time they hear something they don't like.

I AM embracing my candidate, but Hillary's actions, especially this week, are reprehensible, IMO. And just as many Clinton supporters need some time to get over her loss, I will need some time to "get over" what I view as an individual trying to split my political party. Maybe you are the type of person (or would like to pretend to be) that "gets over it" the day after someone spits in your eye, but I am not so easy.

"Learn to" accept different viewpoints.

[wowimthere]

203. We should be able to tell the truth... not hide. We come together when we're straight about what

has happened. Doesn't matter what side you line up on, dialogue of any kind is helpful even when you don't like it.

[sampsonblk]

199. Kick - My sentiments exactly

nt

[northernlights]

204. oh puleeeze

She didn't do any of the things you claim she did.

She ran her campaign through the end so that *everybody* would get a chance to vote, instead of writing off and alienating the last states as irrelevent.

She took a couple days so she could write the best possible concession speech, gather her supporters, and do it in a way that will help bring unity.

What do you think she and Obama discussed for an hour in private last night? Most likely, specifics for her concession speech today. So she can do it in a way that gives the best support possible, to bring along as many of her unhappy supporters as she can to Obama, going forward.

Don't forget, he hasn't ruled her off his short list for possible running mates. Personally, I don't care who he chooses, as long as it's someone who will help him win and be a top notch veep. But boy are boy are you going to feel like the jackasses you are if he does choose her. And I, for one, will be :rofl:

[wowimthere]

206. she did none of the things that were pointed out? LOL

[Yes We Did]

210. You know, you can let other people feed them.

As I said yesterday... interesting creatures. If you over-feed them their tummys explode.
Now... get back to work!

[Yes We Did]

209. Where have you been for the last 15 months? She did EVERYTHING

the op said and probably a whole lot more that we will never know about... until Bill divorces her and writes a tell-all.

As far as your concession speech theory... if that were true she wouldn't have had herself introduced as the next president. Kinda blows a hole in that little theory.

The simple fact is that she could have won 100% of the delegates on tuesday and still not won.

You know it. I know it. We ALL know it.

She should have been prepared. Hell, she shouldn't have even been in it at all by that point. This was over a long time ago. She was just hoping for "something to happen in June"

He would be foolish to take her. I don't think he'll do it. However, if he does... he still gets my vote, OBVIOUSLY.

Now, why don't you stop calling people names on here.

"But boy are boy are you going to feel like the jackasses you are if he does choose her. And I, for one, will be :rofl:"

This isn't the free republic.

[wowimthere]

208. Give a press conference and say I will make a decision but give me time... not

tell the media that you will make an announcement then give a rally that is really a "non" announcement. This was like her apologies for gaffes, "non-apologies". This post would never have seen the light of day if she had been clear. Clarity is important.

[snake in the grass]

214. One must truly wonder....

who the child is here? The only tantrum I've witnessed so far is from the poster with his/her extremely sophomoric rant. Seems many on this site feel the need to project their own character deficits onto Hillary. Somewhere in the archives we will find an OP proving that not only is Hillary a deceitful, vile spawn of Satan but is also responsible for halitosis and dandruff. Whoever says 'Hillary is Bush in a pantsuit' has some serious issues with reality.

Just for the record so that some of the select Obama supporters won't feel the need to descend upon me like a pack of rabid hyenas, I am still a Kucinich supporter. I'll repeat that for those of you who didn't get it the first time. I am still a Kucinich supporter. In my eyes, he was the only progressive in the bunch. After he bowed out I really didn't care who got the nomination. It is important for me that there's a 'D' beside the name and even if it turned out to be Ronald McDonald (as a Burger King man, that says a lot) I couldn't give an obese rodent's posterior who would be anointed. That said, I don't doubt Obama will be a good president. Being a neutral observer I have found the amount of frothing-at-the-mouth vitriol on DU directed at all who dare to show their support for Hillary exceedingly disconcerting.

This is the point in my comment where these enlightened ones who have seen the light and have undoubtedly reached the next evolutionary level will get red-faced with rage and, barely able to type because of their white-knuckled, shaking hands, will begin with the old schoolyard game of, "but, but, but (open mouth, sputter, froth) Hillary did/said ==> fill in the blank <==!". Let me be very clear on this so that you don't misunderstand: I don't give an airborne coitus! Sadly, I've heard howler monkeys making more sense.

What is wrong with you people? Your candidate won, for Buddha's sake! Will you finally start to chill only when Hillary is in an advanced state of decomposition? Does it really have to go so far? Whether you are able to acknowledge it or not, the best president we have had in this generation (I was born in 1965) was a Clinton. To be sure, he wasn't perfect (and I'm not talking about his private life, which is nobody's business) but who is? The pedestal you place Obama upon is unrealistically high and when he falls, when you discover his feet are made of clay, you will be a sad lot for sure. Military Commissions Act, no Habeas Corpus, spineless Democrats about to fold once again to the Republicans on FISA although they are in the majority, needless death and suffering, astronomical deficit, oil price gouging, Rove flipping off Congress, the dumbing down of our citizenry, a suppressive media in bed with war criminals, Patriot Act still in effect, the definition of free constantly being narrowed, renditions, torture, murder, ad nauseam...and all you can do is whine about Hillary? What a sickening bunch of petty imps some of you are. I suspect you are capable neither of shame nor self-reflection.

I am so happy that Skinner has set a deadline for this nonsense and I'm sure that from many here we will never hear another word. You will not be missed.

I would also like to say something to some of the disappointed Clinton supporters who are playing with the contemptible idea of 1) voting for McCain out of spite, 2) writing in Clinton's name, or 3) staying home. Pull your heads out of your rectums and smell the fresh air if you are Democrats! This election has nothing to do with personality cults or your hurt feelings. This election is about the future of this country. This election is about our future. McCain must not win. It is as simple as that. So hold your nose if you must, but vote 'D'.

Thank you for your time.

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[wowimthere]

217. I respect your post and yes, I'll be here...

:-)

[Mcoats1]

218. She was cheated??

OK....I would like someone to explain to me how Hillary was cheated out of the nomination. I honestly cannot see how she was in any way cheated.

I have heard a lot from Hillary supporters that the rules committee screwed her, but how? From what I understand all the major candi ates signed a pledge not to campaign or participate in the FL and MI primaries. The DNC requested all candi ates remove their names from the ballot in MI and all but Clinton did so. From what I read, the names were on the ballot in Florida because they were already printed by the time the pledge was signed.

What I don't understand is if Hillary was so concerned about the voters in FL and MI, why did she not fight this from the beginning? Why did she sign the pledge? Why did she agree, like everyone else, that Fl and MI would not count? Even more, why did her chief strategist, Howard Ickes, not fight for those voters in the rules committee meetings where it was decided that the votes would be stripped? Not only did he not fight for them, he voted that they should be stripped.

With all of that, I really do not see her case that she was cheated.