Feminist leader says no to Obama. Would rather have McCain

[walldude]

"I don't care," Horbal said of the possibility that the move might cost Obama votes. She said she also would not be bothered if the write-in campaign indirectly helped elect John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee. "Let McCain clean it up for four years, and then we can have Hillary run again," she said."



http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/19416774.html?location_refer=Outdoors


I'm sure this will be considered a "bashing thread" but screw it. I just can't wrap my brain around a "feminist" who would rather see a Republican in office than Obama, for no other reason than her candidate lost the nomination. And Obama supporters were called "cultish" :eyes:

[NJmaverick]

1. Guess all the Obama people were right, and Hillary and her supporters were wrong

her antics did permantly hurt the party. Way to disgrace your candidate horbal!

[roguevalley]

92. she's no feminist. they are whining because Steinem and others

won't endorse their bullshit. she is a republican pure and simple. She can't convince me otherwise. What a total loser. Also, she has to be kidding that people won't forget if Hillary EVER tries to run for anything again.

[woodsprite]

2. I'm baffled by the "Let McCain clean it up for four years" remark also. n/t

[Kool Kitty]

9. That line caught my eye, too.

:rofl:

[TooBigaTent]

34. My interpretation of that phrase is that whomever is in the WH and in control of

the government will have to spend all their time, energy, and political capital to "fix" the mess that Georgie and his cronies have created, probably with little success. The result will be a one-termer who (maybe) tried to reverse the destruction and failed. That person will get blamed for coming in, "reform" guns blazing, and utterly failing to make a significant improvement in conditions.

Then, in 2012, another (presumably Clinton) would then ride to the rescue.

Maybe not entirely wrong, but by no means a valid justification for voting for McSame.

[Kittycat]

47. And appoint at least one more judge to the SCOTUS. No thank you.

[juajen]

56. The Senate is the deciding factor in appointing SCOTUS. NT

[Goblinmonger]

81. Right

because the democratic controlled senate stopped the last two ultra-conservative pricks from getting on there.

oh, wait....

[NYC Liberal]

89. Yeah, OK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsuccessful_nominations_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

As of 2005, 150 people have been officially nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Senate has rejected twelve, taken no action on five, and postponed votes on three. The President has withdrawn his nomination on seven occasions. Seven others have declined the nomination.

So, in ~220 years, a total of 12 nominees have been rejected.

[Kittycat]

63. Yes, and the president can veto his way in to getting what he wants passed.

He can also choose to continue the flagrant abuse of executive signing powers, and continue spying on Americans.

So what's your point?

[Kittycat]

45. Kind of like the passive comments from 2004 about * & the war/re-election.

Fucking idiots!

[greguganus]

3. She's an idiot if she thinks Clinton will ever have another chance at the presidency. n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. ITA. Hillary has served her country by destroying her political future....

Bill's legacy, and Chesea's future.

It looks like we will be rid of the Clintons for good, and that is a very good thing for our country.

[weezie1317]

41. Yeah, it's Webb in 4 years if McCain wins this year. ()

[EFerrari]

4. What a selfish idiot this person is. The Supremes don't serve for four years.

Honestly, people don't know how to think any more.

[blogslut]

24. That's the word

Selfish. Selfish. Selfish.

[hfojvt]

72. something else really dumb there

but my mom said the same thing after 2004. She was sad that Kerry lost because she had supported him from the beginning of the primary, but she said "At least Bush will have to fix the Iraq mess he made".

Similarly, this woman says "Let McCain clean it up for four years."

Both sorta miss the point of today's Republicans. As if a Republican is just a sort of incompetent person who cannot handle America's problems. Instead they are a venal person who creates America's problems. Bush isn't gonna fix Iraq, I tried to tell mom, he's gonna keep using it to enrich Halliburton and silence his opponents with 'support the troops'. It's like the polls showing that 60% or more did not want Bush to cut taxes. This was right after the election. Why did these people expect him to listen to them after the election? If such a majority didn't like his plans, then they should have voted against him. Once he's in office he's gonna do what he wants to do, not what a majority of Americans want him to do.

As if McCain will even try to clean anything up. I don't really know where to start to rebuke that kind of naivete.

[tedoll78]

74. Bingo.

She apparently thinks that losing Stevens and/or Ginsburg in the next four years is an acceptable risk.

Sad.

[featherman]

5. This is just that same person - nutcase and inconsequential - move on

[TornadoTN]

6. Proves the sore loser mentality - damn the nation and the world because they didnt win

Crazy. She didn't look at the issues, she's just a brainwashed Clinton supporter who has their complete grasp on logic and reason.

[panAmerican]

7. Good riddance to another DINO.

[Ian_rd]

8. "Hell hath no fury ..."

Many Hillary supporters think they've been "scorned" by Obama, and are willing to screw everyone - including themselves - for the satisfaction of spiting their face by cutting off their nose.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. I'll take Steinem over her. Haven't even heard of her! Steinem has more class! n/t

[RiverStone]

11. Anybody that wants to enable that war mongering McBush...

Deserves not a damn bit of publicity.

Obviously, she can't extricate her head from her ass.

Right, anything to promote 4 more years of losing civil liberties and increasing the odds of another war. :sarcasm:

[zulchzulu]

12. Saying you're a feminist voting for McCain is like saying you are meat-eating vegan

She is clueless and certainly is not a feminist.

[PoliticalAmazon]

We've finally seen the bitter, vindictive feminist that Limbaugh has ranted about....

and all this time I thought he was making it up.

[sufrommich]

39. Let me explain something to you,Limbaugh doesn't differentiate

between feminists. All feminists are "bitter and vindictive" to him.Don't kid yourself,he is "making it up".Democrats shouldn't play along.

[PoliticalAmazon]

86. He's not 100% wrong, however, because there are some women who fit...

his description.

Truly, I had never met this breed of feminist before, and I assumed that Limbaugh was full of shit. Apparently, he wasn't, at least on this issue.

Not all feminists are of this breed, but I a shocked at how many there are who fit the description.

[whatchamacallit]

13. Ignorant, idol worshiping, asshole

Take your withering mind, body, and soul, over to McCain's army of the dead.

[Imagevision]

14. Another choosing to shoot themselves in the foot - they need to listen more to McCain

[billyoc]

15. Yeah, let McCain "clean it up" with his 4 Supreme Court appointments.

Welcome to "A Handmaid's Tale", Ms. Horbal, here's your chastity belt you fucking idiot.

[Deja Q]

18. See, McCain has experience. He makes them feel good. Obama may be big,

but it's not about how big it is, it's about the experience they've got.

:popcorn:

[PlanetBev]

66. You stole my socks, billyoc

You summed up perfectly what I about to say.

[Deja Q]

16. And who is that microcephalic, sexist, cretin?

Reverse-sexist if nothing else.

And McCain needs to say more than "I will not rescind the tax cuts President Bush made". (as we all know that redistribution of taxes to a class being made minuscule thanks to offshoring won't do ANY good; the real problem is generating goods and services here, in America, again.)

Until November, who knows what will transpire. Each candidate has to win over the voters, but people like that nitwit who vote for their fringe interests can go to hell.

[Vinca]

17. Apparently Horbal is an isolated crank. The web site for this outfit

indicates they've got nothing to do with it.http://www.dflfc.org/ My suspicion is this woman is more Republican than feminist.

[Deja Q]

19. Or simply insane.

There are Republicans who are definitely not the type as painted by some people around here, but the world is made up of all types...

[NightWatcher]

20. say "buh bye" to Roe v Wade, thanks feminists

2012 will be to late to save it. The next Prez will be in place to put up to 3 NeoCon, mouthbreathing, knuckledragging, freedom hating, Supreme Court Justices.

[dragonlady]

37. And a 40-year lock on the Court that will block the progressive agenda

They'll make sure the nominees are all young people who can hold office for another 40 years. Reproductive rights, gay rights, any kind of economic reform, health care, civil rights--you name it. All will submit to a conservative analysis and rulings that anything progressive is unconstitutional.

[PassingFair]

95. I'm a feminist, and I've been an Obama supporter since Edwards dropped out.

These idiots are NOT "feminists".

They are uninformed women.

[City Lights]

21. What a clueless idiot.

"Let mccain clean it up for four years." Uh, mccain is gonna add to the mess, dearie.

Ms. Horbal, you are a disgrace and an embarrassment to women. As Clinton would say, "Shame on you, Koryne! :thumbsdown:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Here's a bizarre comment to the article

little girls

unfortunately the baby boomers raised some very disrespectful children. The little girls who are now in their 20's sure have a warped sense of how important they are on these blogs. They are the generation that made "Girls gone wild" such a phenomenon, mind you! They are the kids who can't even clean their rooms, don't know how to cook, are lousy parents, and flirt with their professors in short skirts and low neckline blouses! And you actually think this "legitimate feminist" is the one who should be condemned?! That is laughable! I will vote Republican because I will NEVER allow these young foolish "little girls" to vote into office my president. They have no morals, little scruples, sleep with men to show how important they are, and take off their clothes on camera with no conception to what they means. Good luck little girls, you are certainly no experts on politics! I think you should get your cook books out and get cooking!

posted by laylastrenger on Jun 5, 08 at 9:57 am

This is really sad to see. There is definitely some resentment over the young people coming out for Obama among the older generation of activists. Which is incongruous with what I'd been hearing for years about how young people were so apathetic and it was such a shame. This isn't the first time I've seen this sentiment. A while back on DU, there was a woman who was complaining about all the enthusiasm among young voters for Obama. She went on to grouse about how there were no movies that appealed to someone her age, and all the clothing in stores seemed to be designed for teenagers, and for god's sake politics was the only thing that older folks had to themselves and now all these young kids were ruining it! It was weird.

[Bicoastal]

31. It's at times like these that personal issues really come to the forefront...

My guess is that this woman's husband ran off with a 22-year-old.

[Catherina]

23. What an idiot.

The first comment said it all

This is why...
...so many women refuse to identify themselves as "feminist". This kind of my-way-or-the-highway attitude simply defies explanation. Four years of John McBush will advance the invasion of women's medical privacy, encourage the erosion of our civil rights and bring an indefinite extension of the war in Iraq. At this point, it is not about the candidate. It's about what we value. We have two choices: more of what's brought us economic pain and suffering (while being told the Bush tax cuts are working!), or a new and enlightened path focused on our nation's most desperate domestic needs.

posted by LS1958 on Jun 4, 08 at 10:53 pm |
6 of 7 people liked this comment.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

26. Oh YEAH?

http://www.dflfc.org/

An Open Letter From The DFLFC President

Greeting everyone,

The DFL Feminist Caucus took no part in the recent StarTribune article or other similar efforts regarding any type of protesting the Democratic candidate. It was as much of a surprise to us as it was to you.

We have never spoken about this or any other "protest" inside or outside our meetings nor has anyone addressed it with us. As president, I would have aggressively discouraged such an effort. It violates everything we believe as a DFLers.

If you have any questions... please contact us. Let people know that we are as offended and shocked as you are!! If we, the people who fight for equality, cannot find it in our own hearts to celebrate the success of our own friends...than "who are we."

The Obama Campaign has been contacted to help clarify this situation...!

Mari Pokornowski
President, Feminist Caucus

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. Sweet Jesus! They need a new logo!

At first I thought I was at some neo-Nazi website...

[Catherina]

62. !!!! Thank you. Just thank you! I was so aghast. This needs to be an OP

Thank you for posting that. I feel much better now knowing it's just another loose nutjob cannon.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

64. Go ahead, I've already done my 3 for the day!

[Catherina]

73. I just did. Let me know if you have any suggestions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6289919&mesg_id=6289919

[Triana]

27. This is NOT a "feminist leader". This is an idiot. n/t

[billybob537]

28. Don't worry for every one of the screwball Femanazis

there's a repub voting for Obama.

[Lautremont]

35. If you're going to use that Rush Limbaugh term, you should at least spell it right.

I agree this particular woman is a screwball, but flush the Rush!

[suffragette]

49. Why do you feel the need to use a rightwing smear term

to define her and others?

Slam the specific person for her bad and self-defeating choice. I'll join you in that sentiment.

But there's no need to use a derogatory term aimed at feminists.

I am a feminist who supports Obama and what you just said is offensive to me..

[MarjorieG]

29. Does Hillary think her nomination next time on her cult alone.

Hopefully, it will be Obama's 2nd time.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. What?

For the life of me I cannot understand why a self-proclaimed feminist would vote for a man who called his wife unimaginable things and disrespects her in public. For the life of me I cannot understand why a proclaimed feminist would vote for a man who would gladly strip away all the rights women have enjoyed, and who opposed Equal Pay for Equal Work. I cannot understand why a feminist would support a man who allowed KKKarl Rove and the Republican party slime his family during the 2000 Republican SC primary and NEVER defended his wife. Never defended his children. And never held Bush or the Repugs accountable for what they did to his family. Instead, he votes in lockstep with Bush over 90% of the time. But he wants us to believe that he's some kind of Maverick. PLEASE!!!!

[frickaline]

32. She is making a bad choice but I doubt represents the views of many.

You had to know someone major would go this way, but Gloria supported Obama. Maybe I'm naive but I don't think you'll see much feminist support for this.

[leftofcool]

38. So far, my last count on all the new groups popping up

was a little over 9 million

[frickaline]

42. How have you come by that figure?

nt

[leftofcool]

54. Only by the amount of people who have joined several groups

and the emails I am getting. Our elec was out for about 16 hours due to storms so when it finally came back on, I had 467 new emails, all from different feminists groups stating their cases. I don't think it will make much of a difference.

[frickaline]

59. Still

That is a lot more than I'd have thought. I wonder how many of them are crying wolf or worse, failing to represent the actual views of their supporters.

[sufrommich]

57. I agree,most feminists will gladly support Obama,

but,I'm also willing to cut this woman some slack...she's probably a lifelong feminist who cut her teeth in the 2nd wave of the movement in the 60s and 70s.She's no doubt been waiting for a female candidate her whole life and this is the closest a woman has ever got to getting there.She's in her 70s and realizes she will most likely not live to see the day a woman becomes president of the US,I feel for her and understand her bitterness,I don't condone it,but I understand it.

[frickaline]

58. Yes, I'd completely agree with that assessment

I can understand her frustration, but I'm sorry that she's making this choice.

[ShortnFiery]

36. If Horbal fails to support Obama, but supports the misogynist McCain, then she's NO Feminist!

:thumbsdown:

[rurallib]

40. talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

Good Grief! And she still thinks Florida and Michigan won't be seated?

[Median Democrat]

43. This Would Be The Same If The GOP Nominee Was David Dukes

And Hillary was the nominee, would we expect Obama supporters to say that they are so mad, that they would vote for David Dukes, the former Grand Dragon of the KKK. Under Horbal's logic, an Obama supporter would hope that David Dukes gets elected so that the country gets so screwed up, that Obama can run again in 2012.

Also, don't you love that McCain endorsement by the most rabid pro-Hillary supporters? Let McCain win it, so that Hillary can kick his A^& in 4 years? Amazing.

[YOY]

44. Dollars to doughnuts says that she is past the age where reproductive rights personally matter

and too selfish to think of other women who are not.

[Independent-Voter]

52. You'd be right. Just another bitter, old-guard "feminist" for Hillary.

[NorthernSpy]

46. Careful, Horbal. I can hold a grudge, too.

Running Hillary again -- or any other candidate from your faction -- won't do much good if enough of us refuse to vote for her.

[msallied]

48. Apparently she doesn't realize how hard it is to beat an incumbent.

And how hard it is to get people to forget the travesty of a campaign like Clinton's. This woman is no feminist. She's a sexist pig.

[Zenmaster]

50. She's being intellectionally dishonest

...As is everybody who is claiming that they are voting Republican because they deserve a full vote, rather than a half.

Because the Republicans punished Florida by giving them only half delegates as well!

I'm not sure why it hasn't been mentioned more in response to these people, who are either lying about their reasons, or ignorant of the reality.

[Gato Moteado]

51. that Whore-bal lady is certainly a douchebag

nt

[melody]

53. She's a bigot

She'd rather have another white person in office than a black man. Simple as that.

[book_worm]

55. She's an idiot.

[mzmolly]

60. I think she'll come around.

This was prior to the Florida and Michigan decision and I think it was more of a "talking point" than anything.

Happens in every primary.

[mzmolly]

61. Current President of the DFL Feminist Caucus responds:

Edited to add the link -

http://www.dflfc.org/

Greeting everyone,

The DFL Feminist Caucus took no part in the recent StarTribune article or other similar efforts regarding any type of protesting the Democratic candidate. It was as much of a surprise to us as it was to you.

We have never spoken about this or any other "protest" inside or outside our meetings nor has anyone addressed it with us. As president, I would have aggressively discouraged such an effort. It violates everything we believe as a DFLers.

If you have any questions... please contact us. Let people know that we are as offended and shocked as you are!! If we, the people who fight for equality, cannot find it in our own hearts to celebrate the success of our own friends...than "who are we."

The Obama Campaign has been contacted to help clarify this situation...!

Mari Pokornowski

President, Feminist Caucus

[Catherina]

65. How horrible to be put on the spot like that with a fait accompli

Thanks Mari for not wasting a moment to condemn this shameful act.

[mzmolly]

94. Thanks for posting it

:hi:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

67. Fuck her.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

68. McCain Failed Tactic #1 -- Find Lunatic Right Wing Women...

and portray them as "Feminists" who support McCain.

That will last until Saturday, when Hillary endorses Obama.

[RainDog]

69. Fuck her

and all the other upper middle-class white women who claim they speak for all feminists, or all women.

they don't and they never have.

THEY have chosen to make themselves irrelevant to ALL women who support equality by trying to undermine the democratic presidential candidate.

As a female, this makes me want to vomit. Oh, she didn't get her way and she couldn't bully those "beneath her" to do her bidding. So now she betrays what she supposedly claims she believes in?

Fuck her.

[Bleacher Creature]

70. Guess she forgot about this

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/full_video_mccain_says_supporters_bitch_query_about_hillary_is_an_excellent_question.php

[iamthebandfanman]

71. glad shell throw her own values

in the garbage all over bitterness and anger.

people should really get over being self righteous a-holes.

[Yukari Yakumo]

75. I like the Featured Comment on that page

Is a Clinton vote really a feminist vote?

Hillary Clinton's political successes and presidential aspirations are based solely on the fact that she is married to Bill Clinton. What … read more true feminist would support a woman who rode a MAN's coattails to success? Doesn't that run counter to the whole, y'know, independent woman vibe?

As for Horbal the Horrible, it appears she pissed off her own organization. See Post #61.

[Runcible Spoon]

76. The only "feminists" Hillary gives a shit about are the ones that donate $10,000

I for the life of me can't figure out why so-called feminists would support Clinton, and I'm fucking sick of her trying to tie herself to feminist causes. I can't stand gender essentialists who think that having a vagina makes you an automatic feminist! :grr:

[jgraz]

77. She's neither a feminist nor a leader

She's a whiney little baby that needs to be sent to bed without supper.

[LisaM]

78. This story is dated May 30th

Which is before the rules committee met.

[cynatnite]

79. No room for this kind of 'Dem' in the party...

Hopefully, supporters like these will wake up to the fact that it's Obama we need in the WH when it comes time to vote.

[JerseygirlCT]

80. "feminist leader" with no values. With no care for women.

With no care for anything but spite.

Anyone who can't put their personal anger aside long enough to consider what's best for the country as a whole... well, they were probably going to vote for McCain, anyway.

[pointsoflight]

82. How is this showing leadership as a feminist?

Ugh, hello... John McCain? THIS John McCain?

On July 22, 1998, McCain filled out the National Right to Life Committee's 1998 Congressional Candidate Questionnaire, including this question:
"Do you support the complete reversal of the Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton decisions, thereby allowing the state legislatures and the Congress to once again protect unborn children?"
McCain responded, "Yes."

On August 19, 1999, McCain told the San Francisco Chronicle, "I'd love to see a point where is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade"

On September 12, on NBC's Meet the Press, host Tim Russert read McCain his statement to the San Francisco Chronicle and then asked,
"Would President McCain support the repeal of Roe v. Wade in the short term?"
McCain responded, "I would support the movement in that direction."

Two weeks prior to his appearance on Meet The Press, on August 31, McCain spoke to this issue at a news conference in New Hampshire. McCain said he would "immediately support efforts to move in (the) direction" of banning abortion if he was elected president.

[kdpeters]

83. Let her sign up to go serve in Iraq.

She ain't to old to peel potatoes.

[Barack_America]

84. Breaking: Feminist leaders say, "Fuck feminism, we prefer vengeance".

:crazy:

[Independent-Voter]

87. These old-school NOW harpies are a piece of work, that's for damn sure.

[sufrommich]

93. " old-school NOW harpies "

What an asinine,right wing stereotype.Those "old school NOW harpies" changed the world with sometimes great sacrifice to their personal lives.Why trash a whole movement that encompassed hundreds of thousands of woman because of one woman? How progressive of you.:puke:

[BeyondGeography]

91. Self-destruction: even better

:crazy:

[burythehatchet]

85. The very funny thing about this is that after Obama wins

these clowns will have to walk around for 8 years with a dunce cap.

[YOY]

88. No just walkers and bitter frowns

n/t

[workinclasszero]

90. Heres another racist/feminist leader for Hillary/McBush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

Fuckin republican plants! Feminist my ass, democrat my ass!:grr:

[neverforget]

96. McCain will thank their support with one of these