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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:12 PM
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St Pete Times columnist says Florida Democrats loved the early primary bill....and more.
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 01:58 PM by madfloridian
He also says the early primary bill did so much more. It gave Charlie Crist a way to run for VP without resigning from his office. Howard Troxler points this out in Troxblog. He also takes great delight in saying "I told you so" over that bill.

How Hard did Florida Democrats Fight

I have a few e-mails gently protesting my Tuesday column, which blamed the Legislature -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- for moving the state's primary too early.

My friends ask: Isn't it true that the Democrats had no choice? The same bill back in 2007 also got rid of touch-screen voting machines, and they had to take the good with the bad, so it wasn't really their fault.

But I politely disagree, having kept track of the process. House Bill 537 did all kinds of things to Florida elections, some good and some bad. The entire Legislature rushed to pass it. I argued that the issues should have been separated, that the earlier primary was a bad idea, and that the governor should have vetoed it. But he didn't -- maybe because one part of the same bill now allows him to run for vice-president without resigning.


And Howard Troxler, thank you, thank you, thank you. And did I remember to thank you?

The Democrats in the Legislature did not fight the move to the earlier primary; in fact lots of them liked it. At the last minute, as a cynical ploy, some Democrats offered an late amendment to block the change in the primary date -- but they admitted on the floor of the Legislature it was only so that they could show the Democratic National Committee they had put up a token resistance. This is the basis of the present-day revisionist claim that "we fought it but the Republicans made us do it."

Here's a video clip (sorry about the introductory commercial; I hate that) that shows the extent of the "debate" that the Democrats put up on the floor of the Florida Senate. Minority leader Steve Geller says as much. When the presiding officer asks Geller whether the Democrats are just kidding, Geller replies, with obvious sarcasm: "Oh, no, we really, really want this."


Oh, yeh, that video clip. Here it is WITHOUT the commercial in front of it...and back on You Tube thanks to the Canadian DUer who put it back up after it was taken down.

Geller and his amendment he mocked.

A look back at Troxler's Tuesday column to which he referred in which he blamed "everybody" for the vote to move it up.

Troxler places blame for the early primary vote.

Now, when Florida did this, did Florida know the national parties would not like it?

Yes, indeed.

But Florida did it anyway. Florida thought an early election would be a bigger deal.

Except …


Howard Troxler did my heart good today. He is enjoying his moment of saying I told you so.

And Charlie Crist gets to run as VP while keeping his day job.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:22 PM
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1. Actually Troxler is a columnist there who has a blog.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:22 PM
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2. That set up by TeamClinton and her loyalists in Florida didn't fool some of us from day one.
Proud to be in the trenches with you, mf...you really were a top warrior on this one. Salute to you.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:27 PM
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3. Give it a rest - many of those that know the fact pattern disagree with you - and Troxler
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:41 PM
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4. No indeedy. No indeed. Troxler is right.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:43 PM
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5. .
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:45 PM
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6. This is completely wrong
The bill for the early primary was attached to the paper ballot. Why don't you ever mention that in your posts about Florida? If a Democrat voted against that, the Republicans would have been all over that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:48 PM
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7. Did you watch the video?
?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:03 PM
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8. MadFloridian mentioned EVERYTHING you just said. And read the op - phone dem amendment made in jest
watch the video and then post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:43 PM
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11. I gather Troxler got some mail...
over his previous blog, so he responded. I doubt the real story will ever get traction though. The truth will always be shouted down.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:12 PM
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9. Of course they did. People who pretend they didn't are revisionists.
madfloridian and I were paying attention at the time and we remember.

Hardly anyone associated with the FDP, if anyone at all, thought that primary would last past Feb. 5 and they were tired of not having any impact. They thought that 1) better to have some publicity value than no impact at all and 2) the DNC would seat them in the end, after it didn't matter (which is exactly what did/will happen)

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:30 PM
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10. Exactly. I will need to stop posting about this issue soon, SO...
I consider this sort of maybe my wind down post. Too much harm done here in our area to just forget about it....but I guess it will be non-productive to post much more on the topic.

Glad to see Troxler speak out.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 04:16 PM
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13. kick
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:46 PM
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12. Proud to give this the 5th K&R....important information! nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:13 PM
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14. I agree.
Glad to see Troxler blog about it.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:19 PM
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15. For posterity, here were some of the other provisions in that fateful bill.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:53 PM
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16. Thanks. That bill also made it harder for citizen groups to gather petitions.
Do you have the details? I posted about it before and can't find it.

In regard to your link...Marco Rubio is dangerous for our state, just like Jeb was and is. He does not care about the state, he cares about his agenda.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:49 AM
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19. Bottom line: Republicans running Florida's government DO NOT want empowered citizens.
The fated "paper ballot/earlier primary" bill also had attached to it a measure to make it *easier* for people to remove their names from petitions they'd already signed in support. That led to a direct assault on the Hometown Democracy effort.



In 2006, Amendment 3, a bitterly fought measure, was pushed by the Republican legislature and their corporate buddies to require a 60% vote for citizens to place future initiatives onto the ballot. Unfortunately, due to massive corporate money poured into the campaign, Amendment 3 passed. Until then, only a simple majority was required for the citizens to pass an initiative. So, now, it is more difficult for citizens to change the state constitution.


Crimping citizens initiative, or not?, October 9, 2006

Bob Graham: Amendment 3 shuts down people's power to fix problems. Vote no, October 20, 2006



We absolutely MUST remove Republicans from the levers of power in Florida's government. Otherwise, they will maintain their regressive grip on Floridians' lives.




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:42 PM
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18. From your link: Republican add-ons may jeopardize paper-ballots bill (Florida)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2822077

"TALLAHASSEE --
With just days left in the legislative session, a push to switch Florida to paper ballots is suddenly coming under fire from Democrats, who were previously in favor of the proposal.

That's because Senate Republicans added several controversial provisions Tuesday to a bill that sets aside $27.8 million to replace the touch-screen voting machines now used in 15 counties, including Miami-Dade and Broward. The legislation also calls for moving next year's state presidential primary to Jan. 29, which is before most other states in the country.

''We have taken a good cleanup of election systems and made it a political bill,'' complained Sen. Gwen Margolis, an Aventura Democrat.

.....
The Senate added provisions that would impose fines against third-party groups that register voters and do not quickly turn over forms to election officials. A similar law passed in 2005 but was struck down by a court and remains on appeal. Officials with the League of Women Voters complained that if the current measure becomes law, it would force the group to halt voter registration efforts in Florida.

Another provision would allow people who sign petitions to revoke their signatures, a move aimed at groups that have pushed constitutional amendments onto the ballot in recent years."

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:24 PM
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17. One more time, mad, great job!
:hi:
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:21 PM
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20. madfloridian, I can only add here that I wish your written pieces were
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 12:23 PM by Jefferson23
featured in the NYT front page. What happened in Florida should be written about for some time, not glossed over and forgotten..thanks for your efforts here. K/R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:09 PM
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21. It should not be forgotten. You are right.
It turned my state upside down, and no one is willing to speak up and say they were wrong.

The closest was claiming it was "civil disobedience."


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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:14 AM
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22. Great job.
Helps in my case with DLC'rs.
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