confused: is clinton NOT going to concede on saturday?

[Lerkfish]

I'm only asking cause I just now saw this is this correct? is she refusing to release her delegates?



this is on the cnn website:


http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/05/how-is-clinton-handling-her-exit/

Hillary Clinton is offering Barack Obama half a loaf on her way out the door. No joint appearance with the presumptive nominee and their families in prime time – which would be carried live on television. No appearances by folks like Harold Ickes and Terry McAuliffe who ran her campaign telling her supporters to unite behind Obama. No appearance by Bill saying “let bygones be bygones, and I’m going to offer to work hard to get Barack Obama elected.”

Instead Senator Clinton is planning a public appearance on Saturday to talk about how “we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.”

Meanwhile, it turns out Clinton had to be pushed to get out of the race by several of her Democratic congressional colleagues… and reportedly she didn’t even bother to call Obama to tell him of her decision. One more thing, and it’s important: Clinton is expected to suspend her campaign instead of dropping out altogether. That means she will technically remain a candidate, and she will hold on to her delegates.

Some Obama supporters worry that questions about what Clinton does next will turn into a “second campaign” that won’t end until Obama chooses a running mate, a job that Clinton is apparently interested in even though no one has asked her.

[daninthemoon]

1. only if she gets paid

[Barack_America]

9. That's probably it right there.

Although you would think that if she wants Obama to do all these favors for her, she'd be better at answering his calls and might think to call him with the news she's dropping out.

Talk about sour grapes.

[papau]

16. It is standard operating procedure to have "pledged" delegates vote as pledged - so "suspend" is OK

[Lerkfish]

20. I don't really consider this "standard operating procedure"

are you suggesting that those delegates should still vote for clinton?

[jasmine621]

64. Please educate yourselves by reading why Hillary is "suspending"

rather than ending her campain. It's not to keep running but rather to allow money to be continue to be colleged to retire her campaign debts. It's a technicality in the campaign laws that others have used also. Stop with the demonizing of Hillary. Most of what is said about her or alleged to have been said by her is untrue. If Obama supporters want "unity" let it begin with you. Otherwise this incessent demonizing of Hillary is going to drive away need votes in November. Obama cannot win without huge support from former Hillary supporters. He know that even if you don't

[Lerkfish]

77. stop demonizing ME because you can't let go of the primary contest

Your Obama hatred is venomous.

(see how ridiculous that sounds on the other foot?)


here is what you self-righteously label "demonizing hillary"

"I don't really consider this "standard operating procedure"

are you suggesting that those delegates should still vote for clinton?"

is that demonizing?

really? are you really going to label that demonizing?

[AtomicKitten]

2. She is suspending her campaign but clutching her delegates to her bosom tightly.

[Lerkfish]

4. if so, then all this "let's lay off Hillary" stuff seems a bit premature.

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

6. indeed & gives rise to the phrase "watch your tail, cowboy"

[wvbygod]

10. Better to be polite in advance either way

It is the wise thing to do.

[Lerkfish]

17. really? I was told to be polite because she was going to concede tuesday

and we all know how that turned out, don't we?

[tekisui]

7. Only the 1639.5 Pledged Delegates.

The supers are leaving her.

[AtomicKitten]

8. good to know

:thumbsup:

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Another step into irrelevancy

that's all

But she's behaving in ways that make you go HMMM.....

And her political future will not be long

[Lerkfish]

5. yeah, "hmmm" is about my response.

*scratches head*

is she still hoping for "something" to happen to Obama?

[KSinTX]

32. Nope.

I'm thinking she's so pissed she's contemplating taking her chips and playing another table.

[yellerpup]

85. Her delegates may vote for her on the first ballot at the convention.

That would show respect for the many voters who showed up for her in the Primaries and I kind of expect that to happen, just as Edwards delegates mayshow their love by voting for him on the first ballot. Personally, I would like to see Sen. Obama win by unanimous proclamation on the first ballot but I don't think that will happen. I think it should, but I don't think it will.

[hisownpetard]

11. She's gonna talk about how "we can rally the party behind Sen. Obama"? Well, don't look now, Hill,

but they're already behind him, and you're the only one standing on the other side of the yellow line.

But that was mighty nice of you, anyway...

[jillan]

12. This is not an answer - but -

Did Edwards ever release his delegates?:shrug:

What I have heard is that she is going to endorse Obama on Saturday but still hold on to her elected delegates. I heard she is doing this for her supporters, because her campaign was also historical.

[Lerkfish]

15. how does this help her supporters?

[jillan]

22. um - I'm at a loss for words.

I had Hartmann on earlier and they were talking about this, but haven't really heard more on her reasoning.

I do know that she is going to endorse Obama on Saturday.

Did Edwards ever release his delegates? I'm curious because if he didn't and Hillary didn't, there must be some good reason that I don't understand.

[helderheid]

92. I think he did, but I'm not certain.

[Kool Kitty]

71. Maybe they each get one.

[Forrest Greene]

98. It Would Allow Them To Strut And Preen n/t

[rox63]

21. I believe Edwards did release his delegates when he suspended his campaign

Some of them went to Obama several weeks ago.

[succubus.blues]

27. Edwards did release his delegates, but not right away.

It was after he endorsed Obama that he released them and then 6 or 8 came immediately to Obama. I don't know what the rest did, I"m sure by now they're behind Obama.

[Stephanie]

65. i think when Edwards endorsed Obama that that released his delegates to him

[EFerrari]

13. Worst. loser.ever. n/t

[jgraz]

35. Actually, Bush is the worst loser ever.

Given that he lost twice but still took office.

[msallied]

38. Stop making leaps in logic. It makes Democrats look bad.

He didn't lose twice. Jesus. Voting anomalies, yes. We'll probably never truly know what all went down. But the results were certified and the deal is done.

[jgraz]

41. You need to do some reading. Seriously.

I'm not about to debate an established historical fact with you. Please educate yourself before we find ourselves with another stolen election this fall.

[msallied]

42. I've done plenty of reading on the subject. You're engaging in conspiracy theories.

It is not "historical fact" that George W. Bush lost two elections and "took office anyway." I don't the possibility of irregularities, but I'm also open-minded enough to separate fact from speculation.

You're embarrassing yourself. Stop.

[jgraz]

43. I don't debate the Holocaust, I don't debate global warming

And I don't debate the established fact of Bush's two stolen elections.

You may disagree, but don't be so arrogant as to tell me I'm embarrassing myself by coming to the same conclusion that many, many election watchers have come to. It's insulting and unnecessary.

[jgraz]

47. Here, let's see who else is embarrassing themselves.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3393276&mesg_id=3393276

[Stephanie]

67. In fact jgraz is correct

You might want to catch up on your reading:

http://www.amazon.com/What-Went-Wrong-Ohio-Presidential/dp/089733535X

[Bluenorthwest]

90. Those elections were stolen

And your attitude will allow for more theft. If it gets stolen again in November are you ready to say McCain won and Obama lost? I sure hope so. You are here making a case for GW Bush and Karl Rove and voter caging and inadequate polling facilities in minority neighborhoods, for jerrymandering and for purging of voter rolls.

[AZ Criminal JD]

51. Teddy Kennedy was the worst loser ever

Refusing to shake the hand of the President of the United States at the 1980 Convention as the country watched.

[Raejeanowl]

62. Oh, I Don't Know

I think Richard Nixon and his recount against Kennedy in the GE was right up there, too.

[Raejeanowl]

63. Oh, I Don't Know

I think Nixon's recount in the GE against Kennedy was right up there, too.

[Stephanie]

66. No kidding. I'm embarrassed on behalf of all women everywhere.

Did she never play team sports?

[Ian David]

14. Sort of. She wants to endorse Obama, but leave her name on the ballot.

In case... you know... something happens to him.

Seriously.

[Lerkfish]

18. that's what I'm thinking. its almost like she's counting on it.

[tridim]

31. The problem is, even if something did happen to Obama

She still doesn't get the nomination by default. It's horribly arrogant of her to assume she does.

[DemExpat]

39. No, but it does allow her to re-enter the race.

If she sees Obama tanking in the polls, for example.

DemEx

[phrigndumass]

19. kick

[global1]

23. You Know - Barack And All Of Us Have Bigger Fish To Fry.......

let Hilliary continue to embarrass herself and keep shooting herself in the foot and lets move on. She has passed beyond the edge now and she has gone self-destructive.

I'm really beginning to feel sorry for her as I'm afraid she is spoiling her chances for her future in the party. I don't think she'll negotiate or intimidate her way into the VP's seat. She is displaying a behavior that is very unbecoming of her. I'm afraid that whatever she parlay's this behavior into - she will have lost the respect by a great deal of her colleagues in Congress.

I just got back from Washington D.C. I was with a group of small business men and women that are getting pushed around by a government agency - that I'll not mention here. We went up to talk to our Senator's and Congressmen/women. As an aside - as I was the political wonk in my group of callers - when we were done with the business we came to the office for I on the side engaged some of offices in a discussion about the primary. I talked to some people on the elevators and at lunch in the dining area on the Congress side of the Capitol. We were up on the Hill Tuesday when Barack became the presumptive nominee.

Some of the sentiment I heard on the Hill that day went like this:

We're really glad it was Barack will be our nominee. We really wanted to support him earlier but felt beholding to the Clinton's - even though we really didn't want Hilliary to win - because they felt that Obama was the better representative of the party.

Pressured. Cajoled. Kinda forced. Were just some of the words I heard.

There seemed to be a sense of relief on the Hill that Obama was going to come out on top.

Also - when I arrived in town on Sunday - I went up to the Wardham Hotel where the RBC meeting was being held. I got there around the time they broke for the long lunch. I bumped into Charlie Rangel on the street as he was going to lunch. After exchanging pleasantries - I asked him how things were going to work out. He assured me that - everything will work out just fine and the party will come together in a unified manner. He thought that would happen Tues or Wed - the day 'of' or the day 'after' the last primaries.

I don't really know if we're really there yet. In my mind it is all up to Hilliary and she is just not being cooperative here. I think the party leaders will lose patience if this doesn't come to a more definitive end on Saturday.

[Raine]

24. still a sorehead sore loser

GROW UP Hillary!

[Xenocrates]

25. I think she wants to make breaking news before the news tells us about it in advance

[onehandle]

26. Yes. There's about a million articles on this. She has to suspend to clear up her finances.

Panic is for the weak.

[earth mom]

28. Maybe it's because the Rezko thing AIN'T over.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3338743

http:?/www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6285219

[Zhade]

29. Oh, keep dreaming. Obama's the nominee, you lost.

NT!

[earth mom]

69. Is that the best you got?

Can't even discuss this like an adult? :eyes:

[truthisfreedom]

33. Nothing there. I've read everything there is to read on Obama's involvement with Rezko and

it amounts to nothing of any significance, just circumstantial bullshit. Other than the fact that Obama bought a portion of the Rezko's neighboring property to increase the size of his yard (at a fair price,) he didn't have any significant dealings with the man, has never been accused of anything, and nothing will ever come of it.

[earth mom]

70. They were friends for YEARS-there is more to the story then we know.

But as my sig line says-The truth ALWAYS comes out.

[SoonerPride]

49. Sour grapes. Tick tock, disrupter, tick tock.

Your time grows short

[earth mom]

72. Obviously the massive amounts of Kool Aid you've been chugging has messed with your mind.

Because all you can do is deny and name call instead of think. :eyes:

[eridani]

30. As a 2004 Kucinich supporter--

--I think that her delegates have a right to vote for her on a first ballot. The unity thing is for the second ballot. 40 of 60 Kucinich delegates did that after he requested their first votes for Kerry--he released them to follow their consciences.

[rodeodance]

74. yes, it is procedure to count the first round of individual ballots. they did with edwards last tim

[jgraz]

34. Classless to the end.

At least this is finally the end.

[mzmolly]

36. Her delegates give her some power to shape the agenda.

It also has something to do with the FEC regs and ability to raise funds to pay debt from what I gather?

[DemExpat]

37. That's it. She is no fool.

DemEx

[rodeodance]

75. The convention process allways counts the delegates on the first round then

then are released to vote for who they want.

Do you recall them counting Edwards delegates in O4--they did.
and Kucinch's.

[mzmolly]

97. Yep

It's not unusual.

[Gore1FL]

40. she is doing that to be able to still rasie money

it'll be televised and she will endorse Obama.

[uppityperson]

44. Here is her official statement/letter...

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/
Dear Friend,

I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

I made you -- and everyone who supported me -- a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I'm going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

Sincerely,

Hillary

Hillary Rodham Clinton

[bvar22]

48. A "Concession E-Mail" ??!!!

How very brave.
I understand she also didn't even bother to phone Obama.
He had to learn about it from the Media.

I'm withholding judgment until I actually see what she does on Saturday.

[SoonerPride]

50. That's a concession you can xerox.

She is failing etiquette 101.

[bvar22]

52. LOL

:toast:

[beac]

68. I love how she acts like all of the people who voted for her...

... are somehow "hers" to do with as she pleases, when in fact polls are showing that many wouldn't vote for her now if their primary was held today.

For example:

"The latest Field Poll indicates that Barack Obama who lost the Feb. 5 California primary to Clinton by nine points - is now preferred as the party nominee by a landslide 51 to 38 percent among the state's Democrats, according to a poll of 914 likely party voters taken May 16-27.

The poll also showed that Obama leads McCain 59 to 24 percent among critical decline-to-state or independent voters, who make up 20 percent of the California electorate, the San Francisco Chronicle reported on Friday.

Clinton also has lost ground among her base voters in critical California - the state that represents the biggest cache of Electoral College delegates where she had long enjoyed strong support.

According to the poll, women who had given Clinton a consistent edge in California, now support Obama by 49-41 percent."


http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=57932§ionid=3510203

[smiley_glad_hands]

45. Doesn't really matter at this point. Its time to move on even if Hill doesn't want to. eom

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. Totally Reasonable And Perfectly Acceptable Action On Her Part.

Makes total sense and I fail to see any reason whatsoever for bitterness towards it.

[kwenu]

53. Do you think it's appropriate for Hillary to do anything other than a full and complete endorsement?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. I Think The Way She's Handling It Saturday Is Perfectly Appropriate.

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, to be quite honest with ya.

[TexasObserver]

54. She's not going to do what the party expects her to do.

She actually thinks she is the leader of 18 million voters, and she's going to do what she can to continue "leading" them.

I despise her and her misconduct, but I love the fact that she's completely wrecking any future she might have in the party. If she sticks with this, the party will abandon her quickly.

[StevieM]

73. She has done nothing wrong and he future in the party is tremendous (eom)

[Raejeanowl]

55. I Received An E-Mail From Her Campaign Today

In it, she promised to do just about everything substantive implying the c-word on Saturday except explicitly the c-word, which I HOPE to interpret as...she can't bring herself to say it just yet.

I personally sent her two messages this week asking that she concede, for whatever it's worth. I hold out hope she'll manage to do so on Saturday. She really is a big girl, despite it all. If she isn't about this, she will boggle my loyalist mind, at last.

[crankychatter]

56. When she mentions Obama in a rally of only HER people... it's going to be a disgraceful spectacle

that's my prediction

you heard it first here

ANYTHING BUT UNIFYING

[Raejeanowl]

61. I Hope You're Wrong

It's just as much up to her to set the tone with "her people" as it is for Obama to lead by example with his supporters about how he expects them to treat former Clintonites.

If she damns him with faint praise...heaven help us.

[crankychatter]

83. I hope I'm wrong too

The only former Clinton supporters getting grief are those that don't want to hear any more criticism of Clinton. Apparently THAT, gives them grief.

They're still here bullying, insinuating shit about Obama and HIS supporters but asserting total victimhood.

starting shit...

They do it immediately AFTER every kick in the nads from Clinton. They do it EVERY time.

It's just a goddamn game. Some (by no means most) of them, and mostly online I"m sure... are as incapable of admitting error as she is.

I'm not going to be shamed and stifled while Clinton is STILL a candidate and her supporters are still starting shit.

Hell, I'm not going to be shamed and stifled, in ANY case.

good morning

[NoFederales]

84. "If she damns him with faint praise...heaven help us." And gives bare lip service

in assisting AGAINST John McCain, which is what I, and perhaps others, fear mostly. I do not understand what she is about, but it appears to be petulant machinations. She should be celebrating a Party change for November, celebrating an historic Primary. Alas, this is not to be......

Morning Kick

NoFederales

[MindMatter]

57. This is what I've been saying all day

Read her words carefully. What what she says. she is being dragged off the stage kicking and screaming. She may say a few good words on Saturday, but it will be nothing like the concession and congratulation speech that every other candidate traditionally gives ON THE NIGHT THE VICTORY IS WON.

Ignore Saturday. The thing to watch will be the Sunday morning talk shows. She will be back in campaign mode by Sunday morning, talking about how this or that might happen, so she owes it to her party to keep her name in contention, just in case, etc.

And then on Monday, Schumer and the others are going to have to put the straight jacket and muzzle on her.

She is off her rocker. You cannot reason with her.

[Zodiak]

60. I have a sinking feeling that you are right

I think she is stalling for time for some really sleazy trick at the convention.

[MindMatter]

81. No doubt that's what is in her head

I go back and forth thinking she is completely insane or just rapturously delusional.

There is no doubt that she was trying to position her end game to keep options open for shenanigans at the convention. And there is no doubt that the Party leaders have gotten to the end of their rope with this woman. That meeting organized by her strongest supporters in Congress is telling. But even after that, she was still hedging, so another day and another 30 SD endorsements including 4 switching from Clinton to Obama (including Mondale and Boxer). Will that be enough to convincer her to stop pulling this shit?

Maybe. We can hope, I guess.

[concerned canadian]

59. cnn: comedians want hillary to keep going

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2008/06/05/moos.life.after.hillary.cnn

[madmom]

76. Please read post #64.. thank you Jasmine621, lets educate ourselves before we rant.

[Lerkfish]

78. first, let's EDUCATE ourselves on what a "rant" is, or isn't.

stop the condescending bullshit.
reread the OP.

I asked a question and posted a link, quoted from the link.

if that level of rant offends you, you will definitely have to develop a thicker skin. OR here's a quarter, buy a life.

[madmom]

79. me thinks thou doest protest to much.. I was referring to all the above posts that

insinuate Clinton has ulterior motives for doing something perfectly legit and done by others with no one protesting.As far as condescending bullshit, welcome to DU that's what this whole place is about lately! My life is perfectly fine, maybe you should check yours!

[Lerkfish]

80. ok, I've reviewd all my posts in this thread and find absolutely nothing wrong with any of them.

so I think you are being ridiculous.

[madmom]

82. I didn't say yours I mean the ones saying Clinton is doing this because she is hoping

something will happen, etc.

[Tippy]

86. It was first reported she was going to concede now

she says she will suspend her campaign...just learned she wants to force a roll call vote, at the convention so her daughter can hear it.....

[hokies4ever]

87. Suspending a campaign is just a technicality

The other candidates also suspended their campaigns. This allows you to continue collecting money to pay off campaign debts, so it's really only important to the FEC lawyers. The roll call vote is probably just for Hillary to appease her own big ego under the cover of inspiring Chelsea.

[Tippy]

89. It's more than just a technicality.......

When a candidate concedes he/she is out...when they concede they have the option to start again ...

[hokies4ever]

94. Think about it

If Hillary concedes and later something happens to Obama that prevents him from becoming the nominee, do you REALLY think that Hillary is out of the running? They would just go to the Convention and she would be voted the nominee. Suspending her campaign allows her to collect money to pay off debts, and we all know that she needs to suspend in order to get out of the red.

[Tippy]

99. when they concede should have been (((suspend )))

[blonndee]

93. Really,

is Chelsea like, six years old or something? How utterly stupid. :eyes:

[hokies4ever]

95. She was treated with kid gloves this primary season

All of this talk about whether or not Chelsea should be asked hard questions was pathetic. She's almost 30 years old. She's not a kid anymore.

[Buzz Clik]

88. Nothing is ever certain other than she wants to be President. She won't give that up easily.

[dailykoff]

91. She's not going to concede, period.

One way or another she's going to keep up the dog whistling and skulduggery until January and beyond. I think we all know that on some level.

[Bluenorthwest]

96. I remember many a convention

And those who don't should read up. It is far more than naming of our nominee. I find it amazing that people expected her to concede on Tuesday, because in fact Senator Obama had not yet made his speech. His had to come first. I expect Saturday to be a strong statement at the proper time. On Tuesday, he had not yet declared victory and that moment needed to belong to him. Also on Tuesday I doubt the Clinton camp was ready with the kind of speech that will be needed. I hope and expect the right speech out of her, that would not have been possible on Tuesday. It needs to be spot on. If she blows it on Saturday, that is one thing, but to assume she will do so with intention seems delusional to me. Detached from reality. It also seems self indulgent, as to me there is a Republican to beat, we have our nominee and we have millions of votes to win in a few short months. Time spent kicking those already on the floor is a waste, and at this point is to me a suspect activity.
A campaign that says it is a movement must in fact behave like a movement at times when it would be more fun to act like a campaign. Look to Obama for crying out loud, he sets a pretty good example. If I were in his shoes, I'd love her to bits for being the worthy opponent I needed to make my own talents obvious. A realitive newcomer to the national scene, Obama needed a strong and famous oponent to defeat in order to take his place. They both served the other. He won. They both served the Party. He won. It took two. It would have felt less vicious with three, and I wish that had been the case, but the long and intense Primary was a tool we needed, and it made Obama possible. Now that he has beaten Clinton, he is able to beat McCain. Now he knows how, he has faced the best and prevailed. If I were him, I'd be greatful to her for being there. Especially now. And I am sure he is.

He beat one of the best we have, and that is what made him. Without her, he would not have won. At this point, knocking her only diminishes his victory. Anyone can beat a hack. It takes genius to beat genius. No one becomes champion without facing a champion and taking victory. When I win, I'm like a pr machine for those I beat, because if they are great, I am greater. If they are not great, I am merely a default choice, not a victor. So praise the defeated when you are the winner, that is the right thing, the winning thing and also the self serving thing, so it is a great set up!

[saltpoint]

100. By some accounts Charlie Rangel made a resonant case for her to leave

the race and my hunch is that she will do so today, graciously.