Please stop.

[jillan]

It's over. Obama is our nominee.

There are Hillary supporters that have been supporting her since day one.
Think of how you would feel if the situation was reversed.

McCain is working hard to win over her supporters. Altho I would never vote for a Republican, I have chatted with many Hillary supporters that would. My hope is that most of them will change their mind as the election gets closer.

But - when Hillary supporters come to sites like DU and see the Hillary hate still being posted, it's like adding salt to a wound.

I posted that I'm in. But within minutes I read a hate-filled post that made my blood boil.
Don't do this. Hillary is not going to be our nominee. For those of you that want to celebrate - please do. But remember there are about 48% of Dems that are hurting right now.
I cried my eyes out when Biden dropped out of the race. All of you Edwards, Kucinich, Richardson, Dodd, Gravel supporters know what I'm talking about.

Can we open our arms to Hillary supporters that are hurting right now, or do you still want to push them away? It's your call.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

Obama supporter agreeing with you.

[Mz Pip]

2. Solidarity!

Onward to November. Together we will rid this nation of the neocons and their wannabe succesors.

[DangerousRhythm]

127. Hell yeah!

:dem:

[rucky]

3. Most of us have.

Focus on the positive. The rest will adapt or take a hike soon enough.

[sufrommich]

4. Some are Clinton haters and could care less who

wins the presidential election.

[PoliticalAmazon]

5. As long as we have to deal with Hillary's campaign behavior--...

including the GOP ad using footage of her slam against Obama--then she is germaine to the discussion of the GE.

If we had not bitched about her not conceding, there would have been no pressure on Congressional politicians to convince her to concede.

Do you know why? Because doormats are only good for wiping your feet on.

[Zhade]

88. Indeed. Pointing out her lies and machinations is not "hating".

Only sore losers who refuse to accept the fact that she lied her way out of victory would suggest otherwise.

[swishyfeet]

6. Agreed! Yooooonnnnnitttyyyyy!!!11111

[EFerrari]

7. Why keep talking about legitimate concerns as "hate"?

That's what Republicans do when they want people to shut up and fall in.

And until she concedes, there is no hugging from here, thanks.

[jillan]

11. I don't want your hugs, just want people to start understanding how hard it is right now for

Hillary's supporters.
And to keep that in mind when they post.

[EFerrari]

16. Do you really believe people aren't aware of how difficult this time is

for the supporters Hillary has been jerking around for weeks with false promises?

Holy cow.

Calling people who have real questions and concerns "haters" doesn't help anything. On the contrary, it just keeps people defensive.

[springhill]

112. Sheesh.........

If you don't call the many posts on this board hate, you and I have a totally different meaning of the word. It is one thing to post about issues and concerns for those issues, but name calling is not talking, it is hateful.

[JuniperLea]

It scares me how little empathy some people have...

They seem to thoroughly enjoy hurting others. They have a lot of nerve complaining about Bush's anti-social behavior!

[EFerrari]

32. I love posts like these.n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Lack Of Empathy Is Not A Liberal Value

That is the reason I am a liberal... The ability to feel pity is what Rousseau said separates men from animals...

[JuniperLea]

50. Well said...

There's a lot of unseemly pathology being shown here lately. Internet Psychology is surely a growing field.

[EFerrari]

55. LOL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. What's Funny?

I am a liberal because when I see folks in distress I feel bad and want to help him; be it through individual or collective action... I certainly don't want to make their plight worse...

[EFerrari]

63. I was laughing because it's not really empathy if it's partisan.

That's called "agreement" by honest people. Have a good one!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Huh

If I see someone feeling bad because something bad happened to them I am not going to rub it in...If Mr.X is sad because his boy or girlfriend left him I am not going to laugh at him and tell him he deserved it...

[EFerrari]

69. But you can agree with an OP that calls others haters WHILE

asking for understanding.

Relationships really are two-way streets.

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I Am Lost

Being mean is bad enough but being gratuitously mean is worse. I don't even remember what the original post is about.

[EFerrari]

73. Then you have no idea what I've been talking about this whole time, do you?

I was just pointing out, that the OP asks for understanding (which is right and should be given) WHILE calling other people haters.

That's about it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. I Think We Are Arguing On Parallel Tracks

I just saw a friend and being dissed and I jumped in...

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

[EFerrari]

91. Since I had no contact with that friend, what should I make

of all your responses to me, for the length of this thread, having no clue as to what I was talking about?

Nevermind. I don't want to know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. Respectfully, My Only Response To You Was When You Echoed The Sentiments Of JGraz

May I use a colloqialism...

I don't see the utility of messing with people for no reason...

[EFerrari]

97. Actually, you chimed in with JuniperX when that poster was

declaiming on my lack of empathy. Maybe you didn't realize that.

Let's let it go. It's been a long week already and it's not even half over yet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. I Apologize

I was just stating that I believe empathy is part and parcel of liberalism...It is a laudable goal; a goal which unfortunately I don't always live up to...

[JuniperLea]

65. You're arguing with ignored...

I've recently begun the habit of putting people on ignore... I'm not happy about it, but I find that anyone who cannot feel empathy toward other human beings is essentially an energy vampire... and life is too short:)

I often wonder what "Ignored" thinks when they don't get a response to their pithy comments. Oh well.

Good to find kind hearts here.

:toast:

[EFerrari]

70. Nice strawman, JuniperX and 'way to miss the point. n/t

[jgraz]

57. Au contraire. Many of us see exactly what's going on here.

Don't confuse empathy with enabling. Any real adult would not post asking for our pity. They'd apologize for their own destructive behavior and move on. Anything else is just pathetic.

[jgraz]

37. The fact that it is hard *now* is pretty difficult for some to swallow.

Hillary has been out of it since March. Yet somehow you're just starting with Elizabeth Kubler Ross now? Who's fault is that?

You also need to accept that there is a huge amount of well-earned anger at how Hillary has run her campaign. That will take a while to dissipate.

[Zhade]

89. Of course it's hard, but they've been doing it to themselves for months.

They denied her proven lies and race-baiting to continue supporting her - their cognitive dissonance has to sting.

[springhill]

116. Why do you keep on lying about that?

Really, you need to be more informed.

[sufrommich]

18. What "legitimate concerns "??

She's going to concede and endorse Obama for president on Saturday,she's made that very clear.
What is more "republican" than hiding one's hatred for the Clintons behind bogus "concerns".Clenis anyone?

[Lerkfish]

19. actually, you should know she is NOT going to concede at all.

go here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6292701&mesg_id=6292701

[sufrommich]

20. Oh my God. Whatever.

[Lerkfish]

22. whatever what?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

24. Whatever, don't bother me with the facts. n/t

[EFerrari]

23. Right. So, will she concede? Is she releasing her delegates?

Is she demanding to be put on the roll call ballot? Will she try to hold us up to pay herself back for her campaign spending?

There is a list of questions for people that are actually paying attention.

They have nothing to do with hatred but everything to do with how this campaign plays out.

The Clenis is the least of our problems, thank God.

lol

[PeaceNikki]

35. Why does she need to give up her delegates or not be on the ballot?

Obama has enough delagates. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

41. Because by not doing those things, she's still holding out

and this scene continues. That's why.

[PeaceNikki]

44. Holding out what? He has the delegates. She's not holding him back.

Seriously, I'm trying to understand why people think it's a problem if she doesn't give him hers. It doesn't continue, he has enough for the nomination.

[EFerrari]

56. In a nutshell, because she can make this easier and celebratory

for both of them, or really difficult for all of us -- even if the outcome is the same.

[PeaceNikki]

60. Again, he has the delegates. How is she impeding him in any way?

Or making it difficult? I swear I am not trying to be thick-headed, I am trying to understand why there is such animosity. I am trying to understand why it's so important to some that she give him delegates he doesn't need to get the nomination. As I said in another thread, I strongly believe that she will rally behind him and work hard to get him elected. I just don't know why she has to surrender her delegates.

[EFerrari]

67. I've explained in every way I can.

Clinton has lost her credibility with a lot of people, not only with DUers. The more gestures she makes to back our candidate, the better everyone will feel about the whole thing and the better everyone will feel about her, too.

[leftofcool]

8. What is left of Hillary supporters here

are not concerned by what is said by other DU members. The real problem is the thousands of Dems who just come to read this site and are not members. They see these posts and wonder.........just saying

[calimary]

9. Yes, we CAN (open our arms to Hillary supporters)!

And there's good reason. MANY - quite a few million reasons. And we need to stop demonizing her (as much as some of us remain - um - well, let's say - annoyed). Barack Obama has treated her like a gentleman, especially coming down the back stretch and onward toward home. We should take a cue from him. After all - we've designated him our leader, 'eh? Let's let him lead, then. Especially on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-lyon/the-lovely-parting-gift_b_105362.html

AND - Tace posted it HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6285198

[jgraz]

29. I'll open my arms to *former* Hillary supporters.

People who are *still* Hillary supporters can blow me.

[Auntie Bush]

62. Do you think Obama is proud to have you as one of his supporters?

I hope not!

[jgraz]

76. Gee, I'll ask him after the inauguration.

:rofl:

[Zhade]

92. Pointing out her proven lies and race-baiting isn't demonizing her.

NT!

[Ian David]

10. No.

1) Hillary is not conceding. She's suspending her campaign, endorsing Obama, keeping her delegates, and leaving her name on the ballot just in case... you know... something happens to him.

2) The Obama-Bashers are still being giant douchebags here.

3) I have nothing against Hillary Supporters-- my problem is with the Obama-Bashers who use Hillary simply as a weapon to bash Obama. Fuck 'em.

[Raine]

39. Agree nt

[PeaceNikki]

68. Edwards also suspended his campaign, endorsed Obama and, to date, has kept his delegates.

I don't understand why Clinton is being demonized for doing the same.

Obama-bashers are douchebags, but so are Clinton bashers who have the visceral reaction of "hate" and hold her to different standards than everyone else.

Edwards also took months to endorse Obama.

[Yukari Yakumo]

107. Wrong.

Edwards has released his delegates.

At this point there is no reason for her not to do the same. The races are done, the nominee has emerged. Clinton is being demonized for her narcissism and arrogance.

[PeaceNikki]

121. A POLITICIAN that is narcissistic and arrogant!?!? !

The shock!!

[yellerpup]

12. I appreciate your eloquent and empathetic plea for reconciliation.

Grow up, get real, don't gloat, be nice. I'm sorry Hillary supporters are hurting and I know they are, but we are all in the same family and we all love America, so forgive the childish outbursts and come sit back down at the table. :hug: K&R! :kick: Love IS the answer.

[writes3000]

13. I agree with your post. I'll fight with you to focus on the real battle.

Thanks for being mature.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

14. Agreed

and recommended.

It is all too easy to see the competitor that is closer than the one that is further away. While it is good to know that Democrats have been so charged up by this primary that there will be no shortage of vitriol, piss, or vinegar to throw at McCain, at this point it is so much schadenfreude.

Time to redirect our ire, people, and focus with savage clarity on the utter failure of the Republican Corporatist regime and how we can stop it cold.

[cottonseed]

15. I'm with you, but remember there are another 48% of Dems that are hurting too.

Obama has reached the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination. And yes, Hillary has announced that she will concede and endorse Obama in three days (Sunday). You'd think Obama supporters would be ecstatic. They are not. They haven't yet been able to fully enjoy this nomination. The anti-Clinton posts still trickling in are not such much "piling on" but expressions of frustrations. The 48% of Hillary supporters are hurting, but the 48% (or whatever the number might be) of Obama supporters are also still licking deep wounds. It's going to be tough, but don't mistake the frustration and hurt of Obama supporters with adding salt to the wounds of Hillary supporters. We'll all be Dems again soon.

[Lerkfish]

17. LOL!

I'm amused by the "I"m in, hillary haters!"

[EFerrari]

27. It's not pirhana only at all but a trend we have going:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6290166&mesg_id=6290948

[jgraz]

53. This is classic bully behavior. Huff and puff until you're beaten, and then mewl for pity.

It's pathetic and I'm having none of it.

[JerseygirlCT]

21. We can. nt

[apocalypsehow]

25. I missed your post in this thread decrying the OP's divisiveness:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6285219

But I'm sure there's all sorts of good reasons why it's okay for the HRC boosters here to stir shit and fling it at our nominee, but the Obama supporters have gotta act like little Bo Peep and lick the HRC booster's boots regardless, huh?

No thanks.

[jillan]

31. Do what you want.

I'm just looking for an end to this divisiveness and am aware that it will take some people longer than others.

1 week ago, it would have been me posting that Rezko thread...but now I won't even recommend it.

[Zhade]

95. Hopefully, because you realize it's a bullshit smear tactic...

...unlike pointing out clinton's PROVEN lies on things like Tuzla and NAFTA.

[jgraz]

26. If the situation were reversed, we'd have been backing Hillary since March.

Some people may have a bit of righteous anger to work out. Deal with it.

[BootinUp]

28. That McCain sure knows how to win over us Hillary supporters

:rofl:

But seriously, I join you in requesting some more reasonable discussion with regard to Hillary who was only beaten by the slimmest of margins in this race. Don't piss us off folks, we might not feel like getting off the sofa and voting on Nov 2.

[jgraz]

33. I've said this before: if we have to "woo" you to vote in Nov, you're not a Democrat.

Hillary lost, she acted badly and people are pissed at her. If that honest reaction causes you to stay home, don't bother pretending you're a Democrat. Or a patriot.

[BootinUp]

36. What a bunch of bullocks

Obama has taken the Clinton myths spun by the right wing and the left wing and trampled her with them. Fuck you if you can't accept that he is a politican that spins the truth for gain just like any other.

[jgraz]

42. What does that have to do with anything?

I suggest you quit whining, put on your big-boy pants and get behind the nominee. If you're not prepared to do that unasked, then please, go fuck up John McCain's campaign like you did Hillary's.

[BootinUp]

45. You are such an

__________________

go ahead, use your imagination.

[jgraz]

49. adult?

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[Zhade]

100. PWNED.

Nicely done.

[Tinksrival]

81. What are you talking about?

"Obama has taken the Clinton myths spun by the right wing and the left wing and trampled her with them"

I am seriously trying to understand the vitriol against Obama. What are you referring to? Please help me understand.

[Zhade]

98. Telling the truth about her proven lies isn't spinning the truth.

Her Tuzla lies aren't a myth. Nor are her NAFTA lies, or any of the other whoppers she's told.

[smiley_glad_hands]

109. My sentiments exactly. eom

[Zhade]

85. How do we deal with those who hold delusions, like "the slimmest of margins"?

You SO WISH it were that close, but he spanked her long ago.

[Zhade]

96. We're not worried about a few dozen petulant online whiners.

NT!

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[jgraz]

34. So please, go work for McCain.

If all that matters is who massages your ego more, you'll do as much good for Grampy McSame as you did for Hillary.

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[jgraz]

47. Thank you. Please take the rest of the dead-enders with you.

Just please give J. Sidney Mc* the same whining, inept, completely clueless and off-putting support you gave your former Queen. We'll be just fine.

[apocalypsehow]

61. No one "asked" you to leave - that's simply absurd. Your candidate lost, and you're pitching a fit.

Real mature (:eyes:).

One other thing: are you going to vote for McCain? Is that what you're saying? If so, you're posting on the wrong discussion forum. This is a website for progressives and liberal & moderate Democrats.

[styersc]

72. My "fit" has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton's tremendous

performance in the primary that nearly resulted in her attaining the nomination of the Democrtatic party of which I have been a memeber all of my adult life.

My "fit" has to do with the fact that my party seems to have been taken over by intolerant totalitarians who smear and label any who have the gall to raise a disagreement. Despite a lifetime of liberal activism (in the deep south) I, for months, have been labeled a bigot because I supported Sen Clinton. Because a clumsy statement by the Senator was take out of context I am labeled a fan of assassination. Because I see value in Sen Clintlon's approach, I am to be hated as an enemy of progress.

But now you are willing to hold your nose and stoop to allow me to vote for a candidate who has not regard for my vote by supporters who promise that my point of view will never be considered.

Perhaps there are different wayts to advance a progressive political agenda.

[apocalypsehow]

75. It is a straightforward question: are you going to vote for McCain this fall? Yes or No?

:shrug:

All else is just windy, whiny rhetoric.

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[apocalypsehow]

104. Your answer basically is "Yes, but I'm too cowardly to say so openly so I'll just play wordy games"

Gotcha. :thumbsdown:

:eyes:

[apocalypsehow]

105. Yes or No? Is it really that difficult a concept to grasp? Enough with the games.

:wtf:

[styersc]

114. Obama has the opportunity to win my vote.

If his supporters are an indicator of the candidates' narrow minded hatred and intolerance- I don't see him having much of a chance.

[apocalypsehow]

118. So, again you refuse to answer. Not surprised - you know full well you'd be TS'ed if you openly

admitted that your intention is to vote for McCain (which you've just as much admitted above). But you want to continue to post here, so you refuse to have the courage of your convictions and be honest.

Typical.

[styersc]

120. I've clearly stated my intention to allow each candidate, including

third party candidates, to make an argument to which I will respoind in the ballot box. I usually take action in terms of volunteering (haven't missed an election since Carter) as well as financial contributions as well.

If you choose to cast your vote according to the Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh model- have someone tell you how to vote and respond obediently, then you are welcome to cast your vote however you feel you should.

I will think and then vote.

[apocalypsehow]

122. More piffle & nonsense: you've "stated" nothing. You were asked a straight-forward question, one

that an honest person should be able to answer without hesitation. Instead of answering, you've indulged in a lot of bubbly nonsense about each candidate "making an argument."

This is ripe nonsense on two levels:

1. Any person, not insane, who honestly believes that the choices between Obama and McCain is even close, has no business posting at this website. NONE.

2. We all know what you really want to post, but you simply lack the courage of your convictions to do so. So we get a lot of windy nonsense from you - over and over and over.

Quite silly.

[styersc]

125. When Senator Obama entered the race Sen Clinton was the

overwhelming favorite and had you obeyed the instruction of Democratic Party orthodoxy, he would have gone nowhere and she would be the candidate. Sen Obama made an argument and convinced a very slim majority of the party to buck the common belief.

Now you are demanding that all suspend their decision making and do what they are told. As I described, very Limbaugh and Hannity-esque.

I choose to think and make a deicsion. If Senator Obama wants my vote he will work for it. If he doesn't want my vote, he won't.

[apocalypsehow]

126. More noise & nonsense; still no answer to the straight-forward question: are you voting for McCain?

styersc said: "Now you are demanding that all suspend their decision making and do what they are told"

False - I have repeatedly asked you a simple, straight-forward question which you have repeatedly refused to answer.

styersc said: "As I described, very Limbaugh and Hannity-esque"

Not in the slightest. Trolling at a Democratic discussion board, now that would be very "Limbaugh and Hannity-esque." You might know something about that, I'd wager.

styersc said: "I choose to think and make a deicsion (Sic). If Senator Obama wants my vote he will work for it. If he doesn't want my vote, he won't."

Wrong, sport. Senator Obama is the nominee of our party, and all such debates are over. You either will support the Democratic nominee, or you won't (and the notion that someone would find it even close between Obama and McCain is laughable). If you won't, you have no business posting here.

So, I ask you again: are you voting for McCain in November? No more bullshit, just a straight up yes or no.

[apocalypsehow]

119. "Mommy, mommy! Some anonymous poster said a meanie on DU so I'm not voting for Obama!!!"

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

:nopity:

[jgraz]

123. I saw a similar "tremendous performance" by a toddler in K-Mart.

[LowerManhattanite]

132. “you are willing to hold your nose and stoop to allow me to vote ...”

“for a candidate who has not regard for my vote...”

That statement says it all. People are now “allowing you to vote for a candidate who has no regard for your vote”?

You are saying that you intend to entertain the idea of voting against your own interest because people weren't nice to you on the internet?

For a so-called “lifetime liberal activist” you don't strike anyone as being terribly mature with this mindset.

What you seem to be asking for is to be personally “wooed” and coddled because you feel bad. In spite of what should be intelligence enough to get over your personal shit (Like I got over my personal shit about Al Gore's choice of the odious Lieberman as his veep and voted for him anyway) and cast your ballot for the greater good. Time is fucking short and you want someone to spend time holding your hand and whispering sweet nothings with gentle caresses before you'll consider doing the common-sensical thing you SHOULD be doing anyway. Well, fuck that.

No thanks.

Stroke your own ego.

The alternative to the Dem candidate is so awful that this shouldn't even be a choice, but you wanna be a drama queen and play silly-ass “vote-ransom” games as a last-ditch attempt to throw a wrench into the works to extract power from a loss—because your chosen candidate didn't make it, and it breaks your heart? Do what you will. For a so-called staunch Democrat, you have a lot of conditions on voting for one in the most important election in the last twenty-five years. And the time isn't there to waste on getting the likes of you to do what you SHOULD be doing in the first place.

The town's burnin' down. You can get on board the train out of dodge, or get out of its fucking way.

[Yael]

43. 6 more days

[RazBerryBeret]

54. oh sure, McCain will work with you...

Stacking the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.
As he begins bombing Iran.
and continues to vote against equal pay for women.
while voting against help to our veterans.
and keeping us in Iraq for 100 years.
killing any hope for GLBT rights.

think about this when you question who deserves a voice in our country's government.

[smiley_glad_hands]

111. If you believe that, then goodbye. eom

[Zhade]

38. I feel no sympathy for anyone who knowingly backed a proven liar like her.

Those who didn't realize how much she lied and race-baited, I do feel bad for - they were suckered.

[gateley]

46. Yes -

First of all I my hat is off to the Hillary supporters who hung in here -- it can't have been easy. I can understand your dedication and loyalty to the end, of a candidate you truly believe is the better person for the job, and I applaud you.

Unfortunately, the discourse on both sides deteriorated rapidly. We viewed each other as the enemy, and that has harmed us as a Party.

We're all better than that, and it's time to move on -- and I've been pleased to see that more and more the threads are about campaign strategy, VP/Cabinet choices, etc. Looking forward.

Many Obama supporters DO understand, P, and have offered condolences to supporters, as well as praise to Hillary for an outstanding campaign, and pretty soon the posts you find hurtful will cease. This, too, shall pass :7.

A special hug for my special friend :hug: :hi:

[EFerrari]

52. So, you think calling people you disagree with "haters" is hug worthy?

That's very selective of you, gateley.

[gateley]

64. Well then, I'm selective.

There have been charges of "haters" on both sides, sfexpat, you know that. The ugliness needs to be forgotten. I hope I'm forgiven for some of the vile stuff I said in the heat of emotion.

[EFerrari]

84. I'm not arguing for a side. It just doesn't seem like the fast track

to reconciliation to call the people you want to come around "haters" -- no matter what side you're on.

[gateley]

103. Okay - I see your point.

But the emotions are still high - it'll take a little longer for this to come to an end. Soon, soon. :)

[EFerrari]

110. Soon.

:)

[Hope And Change]

58. I`m 100 % with you pirhana.

[Radio_Lady]

74. Thanks, Pirhana. I really liked both of them, but right now -- I couldn't tell you exactly who was..

for whom.

That's without the avatars -- I really can't identify anyone in particular.

Oh, maybe just a couple.

I've got people on ignore for calling me a racist, a sexist, along with the people who snipped about the Olive Garden and the Asian woodcarver!

Perhaps I'll pay attention now, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm ready to roll to November!

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Tinksrival]

77. I promise

I'm ready to do battle with McSame. It won't be easy. The key will be GOTV. My daughter and I will be traveling to other states to help. Probably Indiana. I get the right wing slimey emails from my mother in-law so I know what I'm up against.

I have some old Clarkie internet buddies that I have met up with in Little Rock that I hope to diffuse also. They have really bought into the whole Larry Johnson/Talor Marsh hate fest. Going to my old Clark site and seeing the vitriol and lies being posted about Senator Obama hurts, I have stayed away. So I kinda know how it feels.

I changed my sig line from Women for Obama cause I don't want it to feel like a dig. I want:grouphug:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

79. Some have others won't until 12 noon ET on Wednesday, June 11

There's some passionate, some angry, some petty, and some childish posters who won't move forward until there's a boot up their backside forcing them to do so.

Since it's bothering you, my suggestion to you would be to stay out of GDP until 12 noon ET on Wednesday, June 11. Until then there's going to be a free for all bash fest from the extremely nasty (and extremely passionate) posters in both camps.

[niyad]

80. well put however, that isn't going to stop the nastiness from some true haters of Sen. Clinton

they keep forgetting that pretty much half the dems don't agree with their view of her.

[Zhade]

106. Well, that "half" (you wish) who don't acknowledge her lies are fools.

NT!

[Citizen_Penn]

82. So are we here for discussion or consolation?

Again, nothing annoys me more than behavior police. It's censorship.

At the appropriate and pre-announced point, the moderators of this forum will shut down abusive speech.

Let people feel what they feel.

And the HRC supporters can feel what they feel - until they're ready to either move on or pick a spot on the team.

It's their call.

Frankly, if someone is so weak minded as to need my constant affirmation - they really are not someone I want to go shoulder to shoulder into the fight with.

[jillan]

86. Do what you want. I am not trying to be the behavior police.

As a Hillary supporter that now proudly supports Obama, I wanted to share how Hillary supporters may be feeling.

I gave you the information - do with it whatever you want. As I posted in the OP - it's your call.
I know what I am going to do from this moment on, and you can do whatever floats your boat.

[Citizen_Penn]

93. "Please stop"

sounds like a lame attempt at control to me.

And part of what I find so freaking offensive about HRC supporters on this board.

If we disagree, they retreat tp their secret clubs and websites and whine to each other.

As a woman, I find it appalling.

Woman UP - LET EACH PERSON GET THEIR AT THEIR OWN PACE.

"please stop" - then telling me it's not behavior control?

Please indeed.

[jillan]

102. I was trying to go for empathy. If you don't feel it, fine.

If you want to be upset, fine.

If you consider this whining, fine.

I could make a list about what I found offensive about some Obama supporters on this board.
But I decided it's time for me to stop.

Do what you want. Feel what you want.

End of discussion.

[JuniperLea]

117. Clearly you can't control yourself

It would be futile for anyone else to try.

Empathy escapes you... fine.

[wildflowergardener]

87. truce?

What is interesting to me, is how many Hillary Clinton supporters say how awful the Obama supporters were to them, and how the Obama supporters say how awful the Hillary supporters were to them. Could it just be a matter of the perspective they see the posts from?

Since I am supporting Obama, I've felt that the negativity was heavily tilted on the Hillary Clinton supporter side - that they were way worse than the Obama supporters. But then I am thinking, maybe it's just because I am an Obama supporter that I see it that way - and maybe the nastiness was equal on both sides and I just didn't see it coming from my side as much. I think that's possible.

Anyway, I don't see why a truce can't be possible if Obama supporters stop posting anti Hillary things - and I don't see why they would, as long as Hillary Clinton concedes this weekend and is supporting Obama, and Hillary supporters aren't trying to bring up negative things about Obama and trying to hurt his candidacy in favor of McCain.

I've mostly stood on the sidelines and watched while all this went on, but I do know GD-P has been a stressful place to be lately - though I couldn't seem to stop reading it - like an accident you can't turn away from. I'll be glad when next Wednesday comes and we won't have democrats fighting against other democrats on this forum.

I am quite sure that there are some Republicans posting here just trying to cause trouble, and hopefully they will start being weeded out after Wednesday. I think we both need to start alerting starting Wednesday if we find someone attacking the other without cause.

So anyway I think Clinton supporters will be welcome as long as they stop attacking Obama - and I think they would be more likely to want to support Obama if his supporters stop attacking Hillary, once she fully supports Obama. I don't think you can force anyone to behave in a particular way though - people are just going to have to learn to grow up sometime and learn to get along with others that disagree with them - or just not talk about that subject.


Meg

[Zhade]

113. Here's the difference: the "hate" they accuse us of is TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HER.

You know, like the undeniable fact that she lies, repeatedly, even when being caught (Tuzla, NAFTA, the dead mother, the I-only-said-it-because-of-Ted-being-in-the-hospital lie, etc).

What they bring are lies, what we bring is truth BACKED UP BY EVIDENCE.

World of difference.

[slinkerwink]

90. I have stopped, and I'm glad you're with us. *hugs*

[Window]

101. K/R.

:kick:

[smiley_glad_hands]

108. Doesn't help the situation with threats of defection.

I say go vote mcsame already. Most sincere Dems will vote Dem come Nov.

[knixphan]

115. I've been yelling 'Let's get McCain!' from day one!

so....

Let's get McCain!

[applegrove]

124. There is a shock/denial phase, then anger and sadness. Please let the diehard

Clinton supporters go through this to get to the "new begining" phase at the end.

[quakerboy]

128. There are the haters here

They care not who wins, as long as x lost. Then there are the lovers, they care not who lost as long as x won. And then the vast middle who get caught up in a thread.

Lets all disregard the haters on both sides. They do none of us any good. I don't think I need to welcome you Pirhana, since you are a democrat and have been all along. But I am glad we can all focus on McCain and on de-constructing whatever little surprise "goodies" Bush will be leaving us, along with all the obvious things we need to get fixed.

[hokies4ever]

129. No such thing as Hillary supporters. She's dropped out of the race.

Wake up and come back to your senses. This isn't about Hillary, it's about winning the White House in the fall. Too many 'Hillary supporters' are thinking of themselves as 'Hillary supporters' instead of Democrats.

[PatSeg]

130. Of course, I agree with you entirely

but judging by a few of the responses here, it isn't safe to return to GDP as yet. Hopefully, we can all become UNITED before November. There is too much at stake for all this petty crap!

[Bluenorthwest]

131. in the end...

the votes you take are equal to the votes you make. The Beatles plan for victory.

I've heard for sometime about 'the math' and now no one is doing any. Fixating on a few random fools who might not support the nominee is a waste of time. Each of these people is replacable by 1000 who did not even vote in the Primary. 300 million Americans. Register them, lead them to your polls by hand. The pickings are easy, all you have to do is look around you.
I myself don't know anyone who would vote for McCain over any Democrat. If I meet a Democrat like that, I'd give a piece of my mind, and then go get 10 votes to counter that one idiot. It is what we are supposed to do, make more voters, win more over.
The objectives of many posters are questionable. There should be one objective for all, victory in November for Obama, and for as many Democrats in as many races as we can manage. If you care about anything other than victory, including who extends a hand first or who says welcome or who should not, man oh man, you are doing McSame's work for him in my view.

I get the impression that many of the ardent Obama supporters are not really familiar with being the victors in a highly competitive situation. Sure one can be a 'sore loser' but people think far worse of a nasty vindictive winner. The second one wins, the paradigm changes. Obama knows how to set the tone, his backers seem blind to his example many times. How one takes a loss is telling, but how one takes a victory is far more telling, and far more people are watching the winning side. The losers can afford to indulege in emotion. The winners are still in play, and the moment of a sub victory can make or break the fight for the real victory. November.
Obama says his campaign is a movement. A movement means having faith in strangers, and instilling that faith in them toward you. Obama is asking people to vote for him and for the 'movement for change' so those who are supporting him are in a way also candidates. Others should not be scared off from the movement by some snarky comments. No one wants to hang out with jerks. And so making the 'movement' look welcoming and fun is not a bad idea. The winners hold the responsibility of making victory in November. The whole paradigm is now shifted. Obama needs Hillary voters, and all other voters. In November, Hillary needs nothing anymore. She is also no longer an obstical in any way.
The campaign with needs to fill, objectives to gain and electoral votes to deliver best get cracking. No time to lose. Not a moment to spare.