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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:29 PM
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Breaking: Email From Howard Dean
Dear Matcom,

I wanted to drop you a quick note about a major policy change here at the Democratic Party.

As we move toward the general election, the Democratic Party has to be the Party of ordinary Americans, not Washington lobbyists and special interests. So, as of this morning, if you're a federal lobbyist, or if you control political action committee donations, we won't be accepting your contribution.

This is an unprecedented move for a political party to make -- one that has sent shockwaves through Washington and has turned the debate on clean campaigns upside down. We've unilaterally agreed to shut lobbyists out of the process, and are we're relying on people just like you.

Just imagine what hundreds of thousands of Americans donating $20, $30, or $50 at a time can accomplish together. Imagine the signal that it sends to anyone who looks at John McCain's political machine and the special interest money it needs to fuel every move it makes.

We have a chance to change the way business is done in this country, and we're taking the lead. Will you join us and make a contribution right now to help us elect Barack Obama?

http://www.democrats.org/nonlobbyists

I've written before about guys like Charlie Black and Rick Davis, lobbyists who are at the highest levels of McCain's campaign. But they're just the start -- John McCain and the RNC suck up lobbyist money millions of dollars at a time.

In May, McCain had his best fundraising month of the campaign, and it was directly because he refuses to shut special interests out.

But we did, and we need your help. This is an example of the kind of White House Barack Obama would run. Make a contribution to help elect him:

http://www.democrats.org/nonlobbyists

I'll be in touch later about our plans for the general election, but I wanted to let you know about our policy change right away.

Thanks,

Howard Dean
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Xenocrates Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:32 PM
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1. we won't be accepting your contribution.. the normal way..
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 05:33 PM by Xenocrates
Please leave your donations in the alley with Guido, Sal, or Big Tony

:sarcasm:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I had the plasma cutter out....
:rofl:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
25. Not quite sure what you
mean?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:33 PM
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2. Wow.... I forgot to check my e-mail....Great letter from Howard
I'm glad you posted this Matcom!


Thank you Howard!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:35 PM
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4. What a slap in the face, matcom!
"if you're a federal lobbyist, or if you control political action committee donations, we won't be accepting your contribution"

All your lobbying work for NAMBLA has gone straight down the crapper.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:36 PM
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5. K & R!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:37 PM
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6. Wasn't this pretty much already the case?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:37 PM
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7. Obama's influence? n/t
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:41 PM
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12. Yes.
They have adopted Obamas policy. There have been a few threads on this today.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:37 PM
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8. How does this affect NOW PAC or MOVE ON PAC or
Democratic Women PAC or .......


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Xenocrates Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Exactly..
It won't. They need that support, which is why I can't take this letter seriously.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:42 PM
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13. How do you know it wont? I'd like a link.
thanks.
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Xenocrates Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Dont have one... PACs are huge grassroots ops.. Dean won't turn them away
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:47 PM
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16. Theyll have to be turned away... they're PAC's.
Or are you saying there will be some sort of loophole?
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Xenocrates Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:52 PM
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18. Loophole..
Its a bad way to say it, but the PACs aren't out of it. I'd expect alot of people getting this letter will contact NOW, and the others, and there will be a response. Soon.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. NOW hates Obama...
Theres always a chance that they cant be bothered enough to make a stink. Though... its not really about Obama, its about the PAC's giving up their power.

Cut...

If Obama says no PACs, I expect no PACs. Even the ones that benefit us. Thats the way it has to be to be legitimate.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. The PACs will simply have thier members make individual donations,
or make donations to 527s.

Only the republicans and the DLC think that lobbyists should run things.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:47 PM
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30. BINGO! Those PAC's wills till be there but it won't be lump sums AND...
They can use that money to buy ads etc ... this isn't going to effect them that much.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
38. Actually, they don't need that support at all.
Lobbyist and PAC money is only a small percentage of the party's fundraising, and easily replaced by Obama's donor list. They don't need PACs at all, and there won't be a loophole.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:48 PM
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17. They aren't lobbyists
Also PAC's can't give a whole lot to the party. They are mostly used for giving to many candidates and also for running issue ads.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:44 PM
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39. They can't give to the DNC
They can go about their business otherwise and I think thats terrific.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #8
45. Good question. Does MoveOn fit into
the criteria " federal lobbyist, or... control political action committee donations", or is there a loophole?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
9. Sorry Howard
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 05:39 PM by OzarkDem
I'm supporting some local Dem races. Good luck! :hi:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I would have never guessed you were a lobbyist
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Yep, grassroots advocacy
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 05:44 PM by OzarkDem
All legal and all lawyered up.

Bring it! :hi:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. Well more power to ya, grass roots is what we need. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Right. You're the guy who thinks Hillary took no healthcare industry
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 06:25 PM by NCevilDUer
money - according to the thread mentioned above.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/us/politics/29health.html?ref=politics

What world DO you come from?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Well, for beginners
I'm a woman, so I come from a woman's POV. How's that?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Sure you are.
Just like the Ozarks are in Ohio.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Born in Ozarks
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 06:50 PM by OzarkDem
live in Ohio.

You can take the woman out of the Ozarks but you can't take the Ozarks out of the woman.

Savvy?

PS. If you're getting any ideas of stalking, forget it. I have a good security system and good friends who are experienced prosecutors. Dems, too. :hi:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Don't worry.
I keep my distance from trolls.

:hi:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Me too
:hi:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #11
27. Hey now! Lobbyists are people too!
Hardworking people, real Americans, you know... the salt of the earth.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:52 PM
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19. Dean would be gone if Hillary had won.
We can count our blessings!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Could you imagine Harold Ford in his place? Harold Ford?
I mean it!!!!! Harold "that was the best speech McCain has ever given" Ford?
The Green screen speech was McCain's best speech ever Ford!

What a horror story that would have been.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:55 PM
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20. go back to Russia Comrade Dean
Let our corporations rule supreme!
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TooRaLoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:47 PM
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31. An answer to prayer
This is the way elections need to be funded. "Vote with your wallet." Not with disproportionately larger corporate wallets. This is amazing.

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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:49 PM
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32. Thanks for the info.
I donated to show my support and approval.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:51 PM
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34. I hope they stay true to their word.
It would be good for the image though and hopefully even better for us.


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 07:07 PM
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36. It's been a good couple days to be a Democrat.
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madwivoter Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:26 AM
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40. I donated this morning
This is a great step for the Democratic party. Although, when I was watching the usual suspects reporting the 'news' last night they seemed to downplay this decision, like it's no big deal. Whatev, I think it's great and they definitely got my attention.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM
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41. wow!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:40 AM
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42. Take the Power Back!
RAGE Against the Machine this Friday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FdF1dDlW-A
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:43 AM
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43. here are the lyrics, if you want to read them
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 09:44 AM by TexasObserver
Bring that shit in! Uggh!

Yeah, the movement's in motion with mass militant poetry
Now check this out...uggh!

In the right light, study becomes insight
But the system that dissed us
Teaches us to read and write

So called facts are fraud
They want us to allege and pledge
And bow down to their God
Lost the culture, the culture lost
Spun our minds and through time
Ignorance has taken over
Yo, we gotta take the power back!
Bam! Here's the plan
Motherfuck Uncle Sam
Step back, I know who I am
Raise up your ear, I'll drop the style and clear
It's the beats and the lyrics they fear
The rage is relentless
We need a movement with a quickness
You are the witness of change
And to counteract
We gotta take the power back

Yeah, we gotta take the power back
Come on, come on!
We gotta take the power back

The present curriculum
I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting
To hold us back
We've got to take it back
Holes in our spirit causin' tears and fears
One-sided stories for years and years and years
I'm inferior? Who's inferior?
Yeah, we need to check the interior
Of the system that cares about only one culture
And that is why
We gotta take the power back

Yeah, we gotta take the power back
Come on, come on!
We gotta take the power back

Hey yo check, we're gonna have to break it, break it,
break it down
Awww shit!

Uggh!

And like this...uggh!

Come on, yeah! Bring it back the other way!

The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouncing off every fucking wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bullshit that he learned in school

Europe ain't my rope to swing on
Can't learn a thing from it
Yet we hang from it
Gotta get it, gotta get it together then
Like the motherfuckin' weathermen
To expose and close the doors on those who try
To strangle and mangle the truth
'Cause the circle of hatred continues unless we react
We gotta take the power back

Yeah, we gotta take the power back
Come on, come on!
We gotta take the power back

No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies

Uggh!

Yeah!

Take it back y'all
Take it back, a-take it back
A-take it back y'all, come on!
Take it back y'all
Take it back, a-take it back
A-take it back y'all, come on!

Uggh!

Yeah!

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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:05 PM
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44. The DSCC, DCCC, and DLC...
will still take their money...

:shrug:

:)

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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:12 PM
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46. Why is Dean not telling the whole truth?
Maybe he forgot to mention the the DSCC and DCCC brances of the Democratic Party are still
going to be taking lobbyist and other corporate cash? Why stop short of honesty?
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