Hillary Clinton Does Not Own Me

[Miss Chybil]

I voted for Hillary way back when. I long dreamed of the day I could do that. I could not wait for the day I could vote for the first female president of the United States. I think she's shrewd and smart and I thought she would make a great president. I'm one of her "18 million" votes.

I changed my mind - a while ago. I am now a die-hard Obama fan. So is my mother. She voted for Hillary. So is my sister. She voted for Hillary. Hillary can subtract 3 votes from that "18 million." Where does she get off thinking she owns us and can use our votes to twist Obama's arm into picking her for VP? Let me tell you, I also, at one time, dreamed of the "Dream Ticket." Now, I can't think of anything worse. Who does she think she is? I've never seen this side of Hillary and I REALLY don't like it.

[Captain Hilts]

1. Because that's how politics works? Yes. I know, it's weird. nt

[Catherina]

2. Diehard? All 3 of you?

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Oh we are so going to kick GOP butt this year!

Thank you :)

[Miss Chybil]

4. Oh, yes we are! nt

[Catherina]

9. What a day. I'm so pleasantly surprised and happy.

I knew we'd come together but well, not so quickly and not so beautifully. It feels good to feel united. I don't want to say welcome, just hi again like you do to old friends :hi:

[Miss Chybil]

12. I've always knew I would back the nominee, but I didn't realize

Obama would EARN my support. I am 100% behind him, not just because he is the nominee, but because he is the right person for the job.

[Catherina]

36. ! What did it? How did he earn it?

I hate to confess I used to be dead set against Obama but I had the same transformation you did a few months ago. I went from being very cold to totally supportive with a very short transition period. The more I listened to him, the more I liked him despite myself. Finally I just gave in. It was getting tiresome being stubborn just because other politicians had let me down when he seemed to really be walking his talk.

[LSparkle]

3. Good for you! Hillary Rosen said it all the other day ...

She was a STRONG HRC supporter/surrogate throughout the campaign
but she likewise disliked being used as a bargaining chip. I think
there are more of her supporters who feel likewise than we all may
realize.

[LisaM]

5. She can use me as a bargaining chip!

All she wants. I still love her. I would love another chance to vote for her.

[Mme. Defarge]

6. 17,999,997 and counting!

:yourock:

[MadBadger]

7. Hillary Clinton doesnt really have 18 million voters on her side

She has like 42% of the Democratic Voters. Thats what the polls have shown. So out of the 36 million or so, she probably has around 15 million to Obama's 18-19 million.

[ampad]

8. They really need to lay off that talking point

But you know math was really never a strong point for her campaign.

[Miss Chybil]

10. That makes sense. I'm sure that the majority of those voters will

back the nominee. I don't know where she gets the idea she gets to keep us.

[emilyg]

23. That's your perception.

[Miss Chybil]

27. And the alternative is to vote for McCain? Or stay home?

No good Democrat, especially on DU, would ponder such a thought.

[Zhade]

40. Still in denial, even after clinton's officially crashed and burned.

Pathetic.

[emilyg]

44. You're in denial about November,

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. She Has Every Right To Own That Vote.

You cast it, and you cast it for her. Your regret of the vote does not in any way shape or form nullify it from having been cast. Blame yourself. Blaming her for using it is just plain dumb.

[cottonseed]

14. So ex-Clinton supporters can't have "buyer's remorse"?

Oh, and the OP definitely has the right to make a stink about it. As much right as Hillary has to parading that number around, which is false and dwindling by the day.

[Zhade]

41. Funny how often I've seen clinton supporters use that phrase for Obama voters...

NT!

[Miss Chybil]

20. LOL! The vote is a mark on a piece of paper. She can wave that

around all she likes. She cannot count on my support. She no longer has it. Using the piece of paper as evidence of support won't work. That was then, this is now. If she had won, she could use the vote. She didn't and I have changed my mind. The vote means nothing. On the other hand, I voted for Al Gore. He didn't win and my vote means nothing, BUT if he were to ask me to get behind him for something else, I would. He still has my support. The paper is irrelevant.

[EFerrari]

21. Right, in the past. That vote was cast. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

26. The point is ...

... millions of votes were cast for Hillary as a candidate for the nomination.

She is no longer a candidate, as the nominee has been chosen.

Therefore, those votes do not "belong" to her to be used for any other purpose, now that the race is over - especially as a bargaining chip.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. New To Politics?

No candidate will be chosen till the convention. You do know how this all works, right?

Now granted, that will almost certainly be Obama. But in the meantime, until that happens, she has every right to tout her accomplishments. Some people here have really gone off the deep end.

[mudesi]

34. Hey OPERATIONMINDCRIME

Remember when you were so sure that she would win?

You lose again!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Name removed]

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[Solomon]

47. LOL

:applause:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

50. Psssssstttttt.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6294009&mesg_id=6296401

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. What An Absolutely Silly Failure Of A Gotcha.

That was early February. I said I was comfortable in the conclusion. I never said it was certain. I also quantified with "at this point". That was February. It's now June. A whole lot has happened since February and June. It's not "at this point" anymore. What a ridiculous little failure of a gotcha that was.

[Runcible Spoon]

60. wow don't even try. he owned you, and it would look best if you quietly faded away

would save you some embarassment.

[Runcible Spoon]

59. bwahaahahahahaahh! OWNED.

BURN!

:yourock:

[NanceGreggs]

37. Yes, she has a right to tout her accomplishments ...

... and the support she received and the votes cast for her are nothing to be discounted or dismissed.

However, while the votes will always be to her credit, she doesn't "own" the voters who cast them.

If you want to play the "there is no official nominee until the Convention" game, feel free. It isn't going to change a damned thing. But you know that.

[Raine]

29. Future votes belong to the voter

Hillary acts like because she that vote once it will always belong to her...WRONG.

[polichick]

13. Wow, Hillary must be having a rude awakening to find she can't...

...control 18 million voters ~ or even one Democratic nominee!

[rodeodance]

15. Stop dissing Hillary . You cast your vote for her. You can not blame her if you change your mind.

[bunnies]

17. loyal to the bitter end, eh rodeo?

We've had our differences, but I respect your dedication.

[Leftist Agitator]

31. See you in seven days...

Or will I?

:shrug:

[Zhade]

42. The poster is allowed to speak her mind as she wishes. You do not own her.

NT!

[tiptoe]

16. "Who does she think she is?" -- She seems to be Mark Penn's tool, much to McCain's advantage.

But she may not realize she's been "used" -- her attitude, words and anti-Obama tactics. (Bill should be savvy enough to know.)

[Independent-Voter]

52. Bullshit - HRC has been in control of her destiny with this campaign. Too bad she fucked it up

but you can't pin the blame on the people she CHOSE to hire.

[zulchzulu]

18. I was going to ask this question...thanks for the post

I can't get over the arrogance where someone thinks that if someone voted for her, they are their property in a virtual sense.

It sounds petulant and is exactly the kind of Clintonian politics that first made me not want Hillary Clinton as the nominee. Seeing recent statements that Obama supporters should offer an extra level of "respect" is odd to me.

What does that mean? If a Hillary Clinton supporter who now wants to do volunteer work for Obama comes into an Obama office, should those in the office genuflect? Have a standing ovation? Extra donuts? What?

Nobody owes anybody anything other than helping each other make sure that McCain gets his ass kick in the fall.

[Poll_Blind]

19. K&R! n/t

PB

[TK421]

22. The last I heard was Obama got the nomination....and this non-productive bullshit

needs to stop...like, yesterday .....because, you see it is getting us absolutely fucking NOWHERE now

[emilyg]

24. Amen. Thank you.

[Miss Chybil]

25. Posting on Internet discussion boards can well be considered

non-productive bullshit - no matter what the content. However, I haven't said much of anything for a long time and I felt like saying something now. It's my right as an American and as a DU member to tap on my keyboard and vent in anyway I see fit, as long as I don't break the rules, of course. So, I've done it and if it bothers you, I'm sure you can find something much more productive to do than to read it.

[TK421]

28. Do you have a magical keyboard? The kind that types shit that only people who

want to read what you post and praise it openly respond to? Did you even look at the forum in which you posted? Well..of COURSE people will read it here! You are correct...it is your right to vent and voice your opinion on here....but my point was...IT IS FUCKING OVER!!!! And you are STILL riding the issue! Here, I thought you would be happy as an Obama supporter, what with him having won the nomination and all...but any sliming of Hillary from this point on is counter-productive and just plain silly. Do you grasp any of this?

[Miss Chybil]

43. You need to calm down.

My opinion is really not so important you should get yourself so worked up over it. It's really not.

[TK421]

45. I don't feel I need to calm down...but I feel that you need to let go of this issue

once again....the decision has been made, be happy about it ( like the majority of Obama supporters here, myself included ) or go piss and moan about what a horrible year it has been for Obama. I am perfectly calm, Chybil...no problems here, but all I am saying is LET IT GO. As a Hillary supporter, I have given my support to Obama, since he IS the nominee.

[Miss Chybil]

51. I wonder if you even read my OP... nt

[TK421]

53. Well, yeah!!! I did read your OP and this is what I had a problem with! Not really hard

"Let me tell you, I also, at one time, dreamed of the "Dream Ticket." Now, I can't think of anything worse. Who does she think she is? I've never seen this side of Hillary and I REALLY don't like it."

Who does she think she is? Well...it appears that she is NOT the Democratic nominee for this race, or haven't you heard? You are beating a dead horse with your OP, and it is counter-productive. That is all I am saying. This is not a personal attack by any means ( I don't even know you ) but posting something of this nature at THIS TIME is not helping people come together for the nominee on THIS SITE....do you comprehend ANYTHING I am saying here? Throw me a bone, here.....

[Miss Chybil]

56. Here's your bone...

Ignore.

[musicblind]

57. ignore is just a root word for ignorant

ignoring dissenting opinions is childish, irresponsible, and above all dangerous. I would like to ask you, and anyone who uses the ignore function, to carefully consider their reasons for doing so. (and it should not be "because he/she supports a different opinion that I have")

[bvar22]

33. !

:thumbsup:

[Honeycombe8]

38. Posting your opinion is certainly acceptable. It was a positive post, depending on how yu luk at it.

I enjoyed your post. Thanks for the enlightenment, too. I hadn't thought about that...that some people had, in fact, changed their minds after voting.

[Raine]

32. My BF voted for Hillary but that vote is the last she will get from him

he's backing Obama now. Hillary you need to mark him off that 18 million cause he's GONE.

[Zhade]

39. Never fear, Obama won't make the mistake of letting McLame prove his running mate a liar...

...by simply playing the Tuzla video with its distinct lack of sniper fire.

[WillyToad]

46. Some people will never stop the hatred...

...Hate is pathological, it makes a persons brain look like swiss cheese. There is no known cure.

[Kahuna]

48. It makes Obama look like less than a man that Hillary's surrogates..

and that's what they are, think they can DEMAND that he name her. I've never seen any nominee subjected to such disrepect. Rangel should be ashamed of himself.

[goldcanyonaz]

54. Who fucking cares, seriously this is getting so boorish

And, here I thought Obama supporters had college degrees, wtf was I thinking??

[Catherine Vincent]

55. She never claimed to own you.

:eyes:

[musicblind]

58. Yes but see, if people get to re-frame the argument then of course they will win.

It is easy to win an argument if the OP gets to make up whatever claim they want and put it into the mouth of Hillary. Either way, it is in poor taste because it is not helping us to unify behind our new, wonderful, charming, and charismatic nominee Obama. (A person who would never say some of the mean things that are said on this board.)