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ballsalicious Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:05 AM
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Hillary Clinton's Speech Reveals Why She Lost (a non-partisan analysis from VIA Character Institute...
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 07:36 AM by ballsalicious
by the way, anybody ready to pounce on my lack of 'unity' needs to understand that we can pull lessons from this information.

'Unity' without honesty and wisdom, will not last. Understanding Obama's success is critical to keeping the momentum toward winning the White House for the Dem's.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080608/pl_usnw/hillary_clinton_s_speech_reveals_why_she_lost

Hillary Clinton lost by a narrow margin and her suspension speech revealed why - lack of integrity. "Any careful observer of her speech noticed that when she talked about herself she smiled a true smile, and when she extolled the virtues of supporting Barack Obama there was no smile at all," said Dr. Neal H. Mayerson, Chairman of the VIA Institute on Character. (www.viacharacter.org) "Psychologists have shown us, people read body language, and, according to our survey, they see insincerity in Hillary Clinton."


An ongoing opinion survey by VIA Institute ( www.viacaucus.org ) of over 1,700 people's views on presidential character support that "integrity" has been Senator Clinton's Achilles' heal. Only 3% of Independents and 10% of Democrats surveyed see "integrity", or authenticity, as one of Clinton's top strengths, compared with 22% of Independents and Democrats who see it as a top strength of Obama.


Yet, both groups rated integrity as the third most important of 24 character traits when asked to reveal what they view as necessary for the next president. (Open-mindedness and perspective were first and second.)


"This race was neck and neck. The smiling patterns in her concession speech seem to reveal what people are telling us in our survey - namely, that she is seen as lacking authenticity, a very important quality people want to see," said Dr. Mayerson. "Were it not for our survey results, her lack of smiling might simply be attributed to delivering a difficult message. Our results regarding character suggest Obama is seen by more people as possessing the ideal character traits that people are looking for in the next president," continued Mayerson.


In another twist, Democrats called for the character trait of "social intelligence" and more than twice as many of both Democrats and Independents see this as a top strength of Obama, when compared with Clinton. Social intelligence is ranked third in the ideal category.


In terms of the top two ideal character strengths as rated by Independents and Democrats - "open-mindedness" and "perspective" - the candidates split. More people see "open-mindedness" among Obama's top strengths compared with those who see it as a top strength of Clinton, and more people see "perspective" as a top strength of Clinton as compared with Obama.


The VIA Institute on Character viacharacter.org is a world-leader in the scientific measurement of character traits. A non-profit, non-partisan organization it has developed the VIA Classification of Character and the VIA- IS Survey, a key tool of psychologists, organizational development specialists, social workers and educators in determining the character traits of their clients. The VIA Classification was developed by the founder of the field of Positive Psychology, Dr. Martin E. Seligman, and Dr. Christopher Peterson, a professor at the University of Michigan and one of the most frequently cited psychologists of the decade. Along with 55 noted social scientists, they surveyed the world's great religions, cultures and literatures to identify what is most valued in human nature and discovered 24 distinct character traits which can be identified and measured.

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:31 AM
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1. fuck that
analyze McCain's grimace pattern
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:38 AM
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2. Sigh
What's really happening is that Clinton-haters can't find anything to hate about that speech. They try & try, thinking: "wait... she didn't use the word endorse!!1! Oh yeah she did." "She wouldn't tell her supporters to vote for Obama!1!... oh, she did." "oh, oh, she won't work hard for Obama... oh, she will." Darnit.

They can't find anything to hate, but it's Hillary Clinton, so it must be evil. Finally, when they can't find anything in the speech to hate, they rely on imagined facial movements. "Oh, she smiled at the beginning, but she didn't smile when she said Obama's name!11! She's so evil!" And then they sit back, reassured that their world makes sense once more.
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ballsalicious Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:40 AM
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3. double Sigh - she lost for a reason - if we really want the Dem's to win - we need to understand...
...why Hillary Lost.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:43 AM
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4. Yeah, that's the reason you posted this?
I don't believe it. OBAMA is the Dem nominee - if we want to understand how to win, it makes sense to understand Obama. Clinton is done, she's lost, it's over. Yet people are still posting about Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. I think some people would still rather bash Clinton than post good things about Obama.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:45 AM
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6. So should Obama be careful to always "smile" when he mentions a Dems name?
Is that the way for Dems to win? Sheesh. :eyes:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:44 AM
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5. Please give this up. She's supporting Obama....we don't need any
RW Talking points about whether she smiles when she speaks Obama's name. Really...this stuff has got to stop.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:46 AM
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7. What does the acronym VIA stand for? nt
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:54 AM
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11. You can't read the article at the link. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:48 AM
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:53 AM
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10. I can't believe I have something in common with a Repub, then.
Because, I don't like the idea of an Obama-Clinton ticket either. At all.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:57 AM
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21. Amazing how often that happens lately, isn't it?
Almost enough to make one wonder.
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:50 AM
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9. You gotta be kidding me.
A vanity project of a super-rich kid with no academic background posts a piece of bullshit that's not even spelled correctly

Senator Clinton's Achilles' heal.

and it gets reposted here?

Someone call Fox News and see how quick they can book this nobody.
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Cornus Donating Member (720 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:18 AM
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13. What am I missing?
What's wrong with the spelling?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:50 AM
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20. Heel. Achilles heel. Not "heal".
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:55 AM
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12. This is complete garbage. And you know, if she HAD smiled a lot while talking
about Obama yesterday, she'd have been raked over the coals here by some Obama supporters for being "insincere." And her smile would have been criticized.

She gave a wonderful speech endorsing Obama yesterday, though it could not have been easy for her. Will you PLEASE stop attacking her?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:29 AM
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14. Yeah, right.
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 08:33 AM by cornermouse
"Dr. Seligman was, at the time, President of the American Psychological Association and is considered to be the “father of positive psychology”. Positive psychology is the scientific study of what’s best about human beings and the lives we live, as opposed to understanding human suffering and how to ameliorate it."

Translation? They know what's best for you and you better shut up and do what they tell you to do if you want to "win" which leads to an even greater distortion in reality since they would appear to believe that if you're smiling you're sincere and if you're frowning you're lying through your teeth.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:31 AM
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15. She might not have smiled when talking about Obama, but I'm sure she was thinking happy thoughts.
:*
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:34 AM
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:40 AM
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17. What A Fuckin Absurd Analysis
Any psychologist, hell, anybody with a pulse will tell you we can not control our emotions; we can only control our actions... I am sure she's not happy she lost but she did what she had to do...

When the losing team congratulates the winning team they do not do because they lost but because it was right, obligatory and expected...
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:41 AM
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18. My voodoo dolls told me Obama was insincere too
should I believe them.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:46 AM
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19. My crystal told me he is a Lightworker! n/t
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:57 AM
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22. A little bird told me they're both aliens. Aliens have no integrity.
Little birds are of course always trustworthy.

Unless they're smiling. Watch out for smiling birds.

I'm waiting for the VIA analysis of aliens vs. little birds on those crucial character traits of open-mindedness and perspective.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:03 AM
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23. Perhaps they are the sort of beneficent aliens who come here to share
their enlightement with us?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:19 AM
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25. LOL! Yes, that- or else they're both very strong politicians the Democratic Party is lucky to have.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:07 AM
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24. "Any careful observer of her speech noticed that " Huh? Quack! n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:53 AM
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26. When you fight that hard and lose just to be able to give that endorsement is an accomplishment.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:23 PM
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27. Well, I DO think it's important to analyze the "TV projection" factor in elections
--because we're all so dependent on TV for our images, impressions, character judgment and other intangibles of evaluating candidates for public office. But the ability to PROJECT qualities like integrity and likeability is NOT the same thing as good leadership. I think I need use only one example to illustrate this point.

Who was/or would be a better president? Ronald Reagan or Dennis Kucinich?

Reagan conducted an arrogantly illegal, Congressionally-forbidden, secret war on Nicaragua. He committed treason by bargaining with the Iranians to keep hold of U.S. hostages until after the 1980 election was over (Reagan vs. President Jimmy Carter). He was directly complicit in the slaughter of 200,000 Mayan villagers in Guatemala, and many other atrocities in Latin America. He de-regulated the Savings & Loan institutions, jeopardizing small savings for banking profiteers (many people lost their savings in the subsequent S&L scandals). He busted the Air Traffic Controllers' union, and started an anti-union pogrom. And that's just for starters. He is arguably the worst president we've ever had before Bush II. Yet he was able to project a "good guy" friendliness, with--it's true--a fawning corporate media that kept promoting and enhancing this image (to this day)--and it did fool some people, or at least provided a plausible narrative for his success.

Kucinich--who would make a far, far, FAR better president than Reagan--very unfortunately lacks this acting skill--the ability to project reliability and likeability on TV. It is a skill that it is useful--perhaps even necessary--for modern leaders to have, but it can used for very ill purposes, indeed, and it is NO guarantee of good leadership.

Hillary Clinton didn't hold up very well under the kleig lights--in my opinion. She did fail to project integrity and likeability, and it could be true that that was a key factor (not the only one certainly) in her loss of the nomination. It was a weakness--and one that Obama doesn't have--which, combined with other weaknesses, and, I think, her fatal weakness--her vote for the Iraq War--so that her early advantages (name recognition, association with the Clinton prosperity, big upfront money, champion of women's rights, etc.) weren't enough to win against a popular uprising against the war, Obama's charisma and his team's brilliant strategy.

It may have been one of several key factors--but it wasn't the main one. If she had opposed the war, I think she has enough TV presence to have won, and be headed to the White House today. She's not a total bomb on TV. I also think that if she had voted against the war, she would have been more true to herself (as Tom Hayden has pointed out), and would have had a less conflicted personality TO project. Her (what I think was a cynical) decision to vote for the war was a hard thing to cover up. She did not seem sincere about bringing the troops home--that just seemed like a page out of the Bush/Cheney playbook. And we'll see if Barack Obama is, in fact, sincere on that issue. It is not all that easy tell--through the fog of glitz and trivia that TV-dominated campaigns have become.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:35 PM
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28. Fascinating. I saw that, too. Maybe it's because I have a degree in Psych and read body language?
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