LADIES....'Heeeere's JOHNNY!'

[Willo]

McCain does not respect you. But he will take advantage of your disappointment.

You don't have to like Barack Obama but he won't hurt you. Take the next few months to decide the next 8 years.

WOMEN

*Voted against equal pay in order to keep limitations on discrimation lawsuits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVx3AEyHq7g

*Always votes against a woman's right to choose: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/mccain.html

*His gallant defense of this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o

WAGES

-McCain has been voting against minimum wage since 1989:

*2006 - McCain voted against an amendment to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour in three steps. According to the Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 62.4% of all minimum wage earners were women in 2006.

*McCain carries an AmEx Black card which has an annual fee of $2,500. Compare his lifestyle with his voting record and views and on working class people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PfSEtiXPw

*While voting against paying $7.25 per hour, he offered to pay $50.00 per hour to pick lettuce. He never kept that promise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pu5nf8dAU - April 2006

McCain has been getting skewered in the media for comments earlier this month to a union group in Washington, D.C., that immigrants are taking jobs no one else wants, and offered them $50 an hour to pick lettuce in the Arizona sun for a summer, suggesting they couldn't do it. The senator didn't stick around long enough to process any applications, despite several offers to take him up on his offer from the audience.

So Friday more than three dozen demonstrators showed up at his office, many carrying lettuce picker applications in one hand, and a head of lettuce in the other to show they could do the job.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/124762

OPINIONS on the trail

-war, taxes and immigration:
* The Republican Conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKsCFwHkyfY&feature=related
* In Michigan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-nVJGsTdKU&feature=related
* Conservative Political Action Conference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf2Sekjex7I&feature=related
* Republican debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9L2ArX9-8

[ourbluenation]

1. kick and a rec

:kick:

[27inCali]

17. Some of the more petulant ones

need to be reminded of the ugly reality of McCain before they can fantasize themselves even more into the weird paradoxical universe where self proclaimed radicalized feminists vote for an under-qualified, half-looney, misogynist old white man for president

Not only is McGrumpy out of the mainstream on women's rights, he has treated the women in his personal life like second class citizens and sometimes even worse.

people need to get real and think about the repercussions of their choices before 12% tries to spoil it for the other 88% that have to live with those repercussions too.

[Berry Cool]

2. I'm not sure that "You don't have to like him but he won't hurt you" is the most ringing

endorsement.

Kind of patronizing, actually.

Reminds me of the days when a woman had no options in life other than to marry--somebody--and her parents might marry her off to a particular man not of her choice, saying things exactly like "You don't have to like him, but he won't hurt you."

Sorry, I can't rec this one. It doesn't respect women's autonomy and is only likely to make angry ones angrier.

There has to be a better way to talk to women disappointed by losing Hillary. How about appealing to their sense of autonomy and logic? Such as saying "Yes, your original choice is gone. But now you have to choose from who is left. Make that choice a wise one. Don't make it out of pique or spite, because whatever it is, you'll have to live with it for four years, and usually, living for four years with a decision made in a fit of pique isn't a happy thing. Vote with your mind, and vote based on these facts..."

[Willo]

3. How about the information and the links?

Think any of that will work?

[Heather MC]

4. Some people love to miss the point!

good post

[Willo]

5. Thanks. I don't think they need to be wooed and coddled

but definitely recognize their anger, disappointment and lashing out.

[Heather MC]

7. They wouldn't be going through this, if Hillary had been honest and not

acted like the race was "so close" now people have this mis-guide precepetion that Obama "stole" the election. Which is just crap. Prayerfully they will mourn and move on quickly

[BlooInBloo]

6. The poster is just going out of his/her way to be offended.

[crankychatter]

8. If you have a more effective appeal for disappointed Clinton folk, why not start a thread?

just a thought

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[crankychatter]

9. A lady posted yesterday about being "radicalized" by the anti-women's rights aspects of the primary

And I think she might be right on.

It's easy to minimize and be philosophical about injustices done toward other people. I can be as oblivious as anyone.

I support them. I WANT my awareness pulled up... even if that is at times, very confrontive. It's necessary.

I'm opposed to McCain and the GOP Junta for many of the same reasons women are, to include, women's issues.

I don't think of Democratic women as singular issue voters any more than I think of Jewish Americans or African Americans as single issue voters.

ALL the arguments against McCain are valid for women to consider. I just have to wonder if this schism they keep representing in the official 'polls' isn't all a big media hoax.

I find it simply unbelievable that a Democrat would vote for McCain... absolutely unbelievable.

[Willo]

10. McCain is opposite Hillary. Except if Hillary's positions were a total lie.

So right now they are not even considering themselves. Just how to hurt those they believe are to blame for their pain.

The polls, I never know how to take them. What was asked? When and what time where they asked? Where did they live and how was the list gathered? Some polls I've taken in the past have very limited choices.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. The problem is, they think that electing McCain gives them Hillary again in 2012

They're willing to mortgage the next four years in order to get that.

[PretzelWarrior]

13. must be a bunch of idiots who took out subprime mortgages.

[Willo]

14. That's true too. Bush had leverage to steal in 2004 because he was the President.

If McCain is elected Bush & Co. will ensure there is no distruption through 2016.

By that time democracy will be completely dead and we'll live under dictatorship.

In 2008 Cheney's response to the people's concerns: "So"

In 2016 People are missing who expressed concern. Cheney's response: "So who wants to be next?"

[slinkerwink]

15. kick

[ClayZ]

16. K and R

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

18. excellent

and I'm off to get some zzz's