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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:16 PM
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EJ Dionne (Wash Post): The Case for Joe Biden for VP
June 10, 2008

Biden Could Help Obama Win

By E. J. Dionne

WASHINGTON -- The scene has stayed with me for six years: Democrat Jill Long Thompson, in the midst of a fiercely competitive race in Indiana's 2nd Congressional District, was being pressed by supporters to criticize what they saw as President Bush's rush to war in Iraq.

She would have none of it, explaining that her differences with Republican Chris Chocola were on domestic economic issues, not foreign policy. In her district, she said later, "we will support our president, and we will support our troops."

It was like that all over the country in 2002: Democrats in large numbers ran away from foreign policy or just said "me, too." Many went down to defeat, including Long Thompson, though last month she won the Democratic nomination for governor.

Things have changed in six years. For one thing, Chocola was voted out in 2006 when frustration over Iraq helped the Democrats sweep to power in the House. Barack Obama is unabashed this year in repeating everywhere he goes that the Iraq War "should never have been authorized and should never have been waged."

But with economic distress so high, and with John McCain claiming national security as his trump card, Democrats may again be tempted to downplay foreign affairs so they can turn the election into a fight over domestic questions about which McCain has had little to say.

Evading national security, says Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., would be a disastrous mistake. "The only way we lose this election is not to engage this issue head on," Biden said during an interview in his Capitol office the day after Obama clinched the nomination. Democrats, Biden said, should be "proactive" and not "play defense on foreign affairs" because "the case against McCain and Bush on national security is so overwhelming. ... It should be an essential part of the case for the Democratic nominee."

I visited with Biden since he should be at the top of any list of vice presidential picks for Obama. Why Biden? In part because of where he took our discussion: Few Democrats know more about foreign policy, and few would so relish the fight against McCain on international affairs. Few are better placed to argue that withdrawal from Iraq will strengthen rather than weaken the U.S.

The worst thing in a running mate is the fear of muddying his or her image in political combat. Biden would be a happy warrior.

He was born in Scranton, Pa., an essential state for Democrats, and has been a regular in the Philadelphia media market. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, himself a plausible No. 2, has called Biden "a perfect fit." The senator has been through two of his own presidential campaigns in which he experienced what an acquaintance of his called the "white hot heat" of scrutiny.

Biden is Catholic and hails from a blue-collar world, two constituencies with which Obama needs help. The chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and the former Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Biden speaks with real learning on international affairs and the judiciary -- the next vacancies on the Supreme Court should be a big issue in this campaign -- while never sounding like an elitist.

But the central reason to pick Biden is the message the choice would send about Obama's readiness to contest national security issues and his understanding that fixing American foreign policy must be one of the next president's highest priorities.

Biden has been critical of Bush's approach to Iraq and the world for the right reasons, and from the beginning. In the fall of 2002, he tried, with Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar, to pass a more modest war resolution that put additional constraints on Bush. Then-House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt short-circuited the effort by cutting a deal with the president. Even before the war began, Biden was warning of the costs of a lengthy occupation and predicting a decade-long intervention.

He is also frank about his misunderstanding of what Bush would do. At one point, he thought Bush was reluctant to start a war.

"I vastly underestimated the total incompetence of this crew," he says. "I could not fathom that they would do what they did under the circumstances they did it."

To restore its strength and influence, the United States needs to return to the realistic internationalism of FDR, Truman and, yes, the first President Bush. Whether or not Obama picks Biden, he should listen to what Biden is saying. Obama can't sidestep the foreign policy debate. He has to win it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/biden_could_help_obama_win_on.html
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:24 PM
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1. Imagine being one of the propsective Puke veep noms McCain will eventually
pick for the GOP ticket & having to face Joe Biden in the vice presidential debate.

Biden would mop the hall with whichever one McCain eventually chooses.


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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:49 AM
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16. Taking your idea one step further
if Obama announces his pick of Biden as VP before McCain makes his choice, it may significantly reduce the pool of willing candidates for McCain. Some people want to maintain a certain level of dignity :-).
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 08:02 AM
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19. Very good point. Obama has a long list of very convincing picks he
can make, too -- including Biden -- and it could scare off prospective takers on the GOP ticket.

Hi, Inuca. Good to see ya.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:26 PM
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2. I do want Biden to be in a Obama administration.
"Whether or not Obama picks Biden, he should listen to what Biden is saying." That is the truth.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:38 AM
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3. I like Biden. Sounds good to me.
KandR!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:49 AM
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4. Excellent article.
Biden was my choice for prez. Yeah he makes some gaffes, but then ALL of them did. Nobody's perfect.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:56 AM
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6. "Made some gaffes"..
but, he doesn't lie, right?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:54 AM
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5. Biden for VP, Edwards for AG and Richardson for Sec State
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 12:59 AM by jgraz
Not a bad start...

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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 03:47 AM
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8. I loves me some Biden:)
probably a wee bit too much, if truth be told:D

I think Joe definitely should play a very significant part in Obama's administration, whether VP is the spot that would put his skills to best use I'm not sure. I completely agree with all that this article says about what he would bring to the ticket, but I was thinking Sec of State would be a better position for him. Hey here's an idea! Can he be both SOS and VP???
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 03:57 AM
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9. Obama'll spend half the campaign trying to explain away Joe's ego-driven loose-cannon blowhardisms.
Eh.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:50 AM
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17. Wrong n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:42 AM
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25. If only Biden were so terse!
:)
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:22 AM
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28. He often is :-)
And when he isn't, what he says is usually full of substance and interesting to listen to. Sometimes he blows it, I agree, but I really do not think that he is mucn worse than the average politician in tha respect.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:26 AM
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10. I like it!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:33 AM
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11. Except, "it's the economy, stupid".
And, therefore, Obama needs somebody with solid executive experience. Like Tim Kaine.

(Yes, I understand that foreign policy directly affects our economy and vice versa)
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:34 AM
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12. I agree 100%. Biden for veep!
I love how he is just able to eviscerate McCain/Bush on foreign policy on talk shows.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:39 AM
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13. I Believe Biden Would Help Him Win Too...
He was my second choice, behind Obama. He's smart, funny and can be vicious. The trifecta.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:41 AM
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15. A noun, a verb and 911
The debates would be a BLAST.

Can you see Biden going up against plastic Mittens?

:rofl:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:39 AM
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14. I would be thrilled with Biden as VP
That would be an incredible ticket!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:54 AM
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18. Obama could do MUCH worse
I hope Good Guy Biden is in the mix.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 08:03 AM
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20. How Someone of Biden's...
skill and experience is not our nominee is completely beyond me.

-P
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 08:09 AM
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21. Yes. I predicted he would go a lot farther toward the nomination
this cycle and for whatever reason, Iowans did not respond to him in high numbers.

I listened to Biden blast John Bolton into tiny bits in those SFRC hearings and came away convinced that as Bush's Iraq War bore down on people's thinking last fall and this early winter, a strong international expert like Biden's star would rise.

Bolton himself has never been the same since after Biden took him to the woodshed.

That's not to take away from any of the other 7 candidates we had in Iowa, only to say that I thought Biden would be a far stronger contender among caucus-goers.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:36 AM
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24. Amen. If we had a parliamentary system, he'd already be in.
But then, he didn't get in because the big money people didn't want someone like him.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:35 AM
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29. Yep...you are exactly right....
...and here I thought that we (Americans) we making these choices.

-P
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:47 AM
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31. me too, he was my 1st pick. That lecture he gave about the war/Bush convinced me.
I wish I could remember where what college that was...anyway, I really, really like Obama, just didn't think he was ready. I do now think the campaign is proving me wrong.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:05 AM
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22. .
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:34 AM
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23. Countdown to that same one-issue crank posting something about the anti-rave law: 3... 2... 1...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:45 AM
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26. Biden is on my personal short list. He has a no-bullshit demeanor, he is
likeable, and is an old hand at both politics and policy.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:04 AM
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27. I would love to see Biden as VP.
I've been surprised not to see him on the lists of potential candidates. If not VP, then somewhere in the administration. His knowledge and experience is so impressive, and I too was surprised that he didn't do better in the primary. He would certainly blow away any repug in a debate, and I believe he was also the first to have some kind of realistic plan for how to get us out of Iraq. Obama would do well to choose him, I think.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:40 AM
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30. I like Joe. I've always liked Joe, but that video from 1988 will pop up.
The one where he goes off on some guy in a small Iowa setting, claims to have been a better law student than he was, and does a couple of other things that look bad. Then there's the plagiarism problem from back then.

Mainly, though, I don't think he helps sell the ticket much, and doesn't win any extra states.

As Sec of State or Defense, I can see Biden.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:30 PM
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32. Biden might be a good choice
The only concern I have about him is that he tends to be a little gaffe-prone.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 01:35 PM
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33. Huge Problem. Biden had the BAD judgment to vote for the war so
Obama would be unable to hammer McCain for his bad judgment and talk about his own good judgment for voting against it.

The Dems cannot have a VP who VOTED FOR the war. All of the details about how he was really against it will be lost to the average voter (though if he was really against it he would have voted NO).
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