I don't think the impeachment filing helps Obama in the fall

[Doctor_J]

Sorry. One of the big things we have going for us in November is lethargic Repukes with no reason to get out from in front of Fox News on election day. I hope this doesn't motivate them.

I understand the move, and * deserves impeachment more than any Resident in history, but if we elect a Dem prez and 250 Dem House members and 58 Dem Senators in November, things will take care of themselves.

I also believe that from here to Nov 2 every move made by the Dems and other Obamans should pass the litmus test for "will it help win the presidential election".

Just my $.02

[LTR]

1. I agree

Obama has a lot in his favor now. A prolonged impeachment process will likely complicate things, and distract from his positive message.

And considering how effective the Democratic Party is at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, I can only see this impeachment thing backfiring horribly. I say don't rock the boat. Bush and Cheney will get their karma.

[DrDan]

2. the Dms have to do something

they are, rightfully so (in my mind), fairly accused of not delivering on their campaign promises.

They need something to claim as successes.

[wileedog]

4. I'm not sure trying to impeach a President, even this one, exactly qualifies for

"low hanging fruit."

And I agree with the OP it just seems like whacking a hornets nest just for the sake of doing it.

[DrDan]

19. good idea

we should continue our "do nothing" policy and accept intentional lying and propagandizing as a cost-of-doing-business in government

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. Which Democrats were elected on a promise of impeachment?

:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

13. not a single one.

[DrDan]

18. not specifically impeachment - but there certainly were promises to

either end or wind down the war

and what have they done - continued to enable the felons in the WH

[PM7nj]

3. Don't worry. It isn't going anywhere.

:(

[JimGinPA]

8. My Thought Exactly...

However, future indictments, that's another story.

B-)

[DainBramaged]

5. In eight months, Chimpy and Darth Vader are out of here

and history will deal with them. These articles are a distraction from Obama's campaign, and will piss off a lot of sleeping Rethugs who might otherwise not interfere with his campaign.

He should have done it last year when it meant something. Now it just looks like sour grapes on his part, and an attempt to draw attention to himself.

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. Kucinich has yet to endorse Obama

Perhaps he wants to sabotage Obama's chances so that he can run again in four years.

[PM7nj]

9. He told his supporters in Iowa to back Obama

if he didn't reach the needed 15% at the caucuses.

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. That was only for the Iowa Caucuses

He and Gravel are the only former Democratic candidates who have yet to endorse Obama.

[PM7nj]

I know.

But do you think he would do that if he wanted Obama to lose? Also, Kucinich is a great guy, I highly doubt he would try to hurt the nominee for his own selfish reasons. Kucinich always puts the country first. He wouldn't do that.

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. Why hasn't he endorsed Obama yet?

Isn't it odd that he has yet to do so?

[Doctor_J]

27. Getting McSame elected would certainly help other nominees in 2012

assuming we have elections by then

[izquierdista]

11. How wrong you are

This shot across the bow landed on the Repubs foredeck and exited right at the waterline. They have to be very careful now how they maneuver between now and November or they will take on water and sink below the waves. Just think about it, to open the week after Obama clenches the nomination, Kucinich lays out ALL the malfeasance done by the current administration. It is equivalent to Martin Luther nailing his theses up to the door of the church to start the Reformation. It is a great barrage laid down to confuse the enemy prior to the beginning of the real fight.

The Republicans have no choice but to play defense now. They might as well do like the German navy did in both World Wars and retreat to their home waters where they won't get mauled.

[scheming daemons]

12. I agree.... they're gone in 8 months... impeachment at this point is a waste of time

It should have been done a year ago.


Impeachment now just puts Cheney in charge for a month or two.... and fires up the lethargic Repukes.




DUMB DUMB DUMB

[polichick]

14. Can there be justice without impeachment - would prosecution still be possible??

[Doctor_J]

23. According to Bugliosi, yes

He intends to prosecute the entire * admin for murder.

[whosinpower]

15. I disagree respectfully

This isn't about democrats vs republicans. This is about treason. And that trumps party politics. This is about lying in order to foment war. There is no greater crime for a president to commit - in my opinion.

This is about upholding the constitution - something every single elected official should take very seriously and do it regardless of when it falls within the election cycle. That is their job - from the day they are elected until the day they have to face the voters.

Things will NOT take care of themselves just because there will be more democratics in the house and senate and there will be a democratic president. That is not good enough. America was founded under certain principles - and to ignore those principles because an election is looming makes a mockery of those very principles that was supposed to uplift America from the rest of the world.

If you want to honour those who have died for Bush's lies - then the best way to do so it to make sure that those who sent these kids to war face justice and prosecution. The best way is to uphold the constitution and make sure it cannot happen again. If you want to increase America's standing in the world - then impeachment, the rule of law and justice are the way.

Electing a democratic president is good, but it is not enough when war criminals are allowed to walk freely and are protected from prosecution via executive privilage.

[Cha]

39. Thank you.

Thank you, whosinpower. I agree.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Doing the right thing is often politically unpopular.

[scheming daemons]

21. We can't afford to be "politically unpopular" before November....

Sorry.... the ends are too important.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Then what's the point in electing anyone?

If they are frightened of doing what's right because it won't make them popular, what can we expect from them when in office?

Does the Democratic Party stand for justice for all? Or, does it stand for winning office at any price?

[scheming daemons]

38. It WAS the right thing to do.... a YEAR ago..... impeachment now means nothing....

... when they're already almost out of office.

War crimes trials AFTER they're out of office would be fine.


But we have to get INTO office first.


An impeachment circus now only strengthens McCain's candidacy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Perhaps my crystal ball needs new batteries.

I hardly consider impeachment a "circus". Rather it is an exercise in justice versus complacency in the face of criminality.

As to strengthening McCain, I see no indication of that.

Rather, what I see is the likelihood that the public, that the politicians allegedly represent, will be drawn into the political arena where they belong.

[Doctor_J]

26. Helping McSame get elected is not "politically unpopular"

it is the final nail in the coffin of democracy in the US

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. How is impeaching Bush going to help McCain?

If anything, it should, and probably would, help the Democrats get into office because it would at least display that the party stands for something other than achieving power.

[rocktivity]

20. I think it helps all the Dems running for office in November

because it gives them something to beat their Repubs opponents with?

:headbang:
rocknation

[Doctor_J]

29. We already have the economy, the war, the lies about the war, the economy,

the domestic spying, the torture, the economy, Cheney, Enron, Valerie Plame, anthrax, gas prices, and the economy, among other things.

Impeachment is much more likely to be used by the Repubs to beat us.

[rocktivity]

32. All of which are impeachable offenses!

:bounce:
rocknation

[4themind]

22. I care less about impeachment, more about prosecution for war crimes

and in my view that will be easier to do with a democrat in the white house and heading up the justice department, if they're turned over to the hague there may be little that the supreme court can do either. That being said I can't say for certain that pushing for impeachment now will necessarily endanger getting obama elected, but if it did, impeachment would go to the wayside to go for my bigger goal of getting these people in shackles.

[Doctor_J]

25. Exactly

Justice can be extracted once law & order have been restored to the nation beginning next year. Meanwhile, if this motivates the wingers enough to come to the polls, and McSame gets elected, this will have been a disastrous move.

[AuntPatsy]

28. A serious question and one that I don't know the answer to, if idiot

in office decides to pardon alot of them before he gets out of office while he still has the power, can they really face justice after they are out of power if pardons have already been given out?

[4themind]

33. My thinking was

that he can only pardon them if they've been charged with something, and the justice department has stymied any efforts to charge many of the biggest players. So unless they play a politically cute game of last-minute-charge-and-pardon (that I think would overshadow even Ford's Pardon of Nixon in magnitude of political back patting) Obama could have authority to go after many of these guys

[AuntPatsy]

34. I hope so, I really do but I seem to recall on Dur once stated that

he can in fact pardon some of them before actual charges are filed, I hope its not true, I really do.

[Alter Ego]

24. This will die in committee, much like all the articles of impeachment do

and everyone will forget about it in another month.

[AuntPatsy]

31. I have never forgotten about it...I have only wondered daily why it has not been done yet.

[Occam Bandage]

30. The impeachment filing will be dead in a day or two, just like every other time he tries.

He's showboating, and nothing else. Given the mini-rash of "OMG DONATE TO DENNIS" threads, I'd say it's at least mildly effective.

[gravity]

35. We don't need to divide this country before the election

As much as Bush deserves impeachment, I don't think it would be worth it. He is out of office in 6 months anyways, and our efforts should be focus on making sure another Bush doesn't get into the White House.

[AuntPatsy]

40. I'm sorry but considering what they have proven to be capable of, six months is six months

too long...they must be waylayed now....I just don't trust them, people wonder, why can he really do? God, I don't want to find out..look what they have already done and how long it will take to fix it all if a fix is even possible..

[gravity]

41. He has no political support

He isn't capable of doing anything right now if he wanted to. The mood of the country has changed dramatically since 2002. Republicans are even distancing themselves from Bush.

[AuntPatsy]

42. i wish I could be as optimistic as you...

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. I don't think it helps, either. But impeachment won't go anywhere...

otherwise, it would not have been allowed to be filed.

[AuntPatsy]

45. Perhaps we will be happily suprised..faith, I don't want to lose all of it..