Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones offer Clinton details on Web

[ecstatic]

LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas (AP) -- Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones are offering Internet viewers the lurid details of encounters they claim they had with former President Clinton -- for $1.99 a pop.
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Each video segment by Paula Jones, left, and Gennifer Flowers is available for $1.99.

The women, who gained notoriety in the early 1990s after claiming to have had sexual encounters with Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas, have created a Web site offering videos of their thoughts on Clinton, his wife Hillary and other matters. Each video segment is available for $1.99.

"It's a way we can get our story out there in our own words, without someone making their own interpretations or corrections," Jones said.

Flowers also has advice for Sen. Hillary Clinton -- and why she thinks she didn't nab the Democratic presidential nomination. She tells "Extra T-V" that she thinks Bill Clinton has been a hindrance to her, adding, "My advice to Hillary would be to divorce that chump."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/10/jones.flowers.ap/index.html?eref=rss_latest

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1. This is a good use of bandwidth!

:eyes:

[hokies4ever]

30. I guess her baggage hadn't been completely rummaged through

:rofl:

[PM7nj]

2. They want people to pay to hear their lies?

:eyes:

[hendo]

18. only if you feel so inclined.

Im sure that free versions will turn up on file sharing websites in no time.

[Heather MC]

23. how do you know they lied?

Not saying they didn't just curious?

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. Well, we know Bill Clinton lied, and we know he lied about having an affair...

with an intern.

I don't remember Paula Jones being proven as lying about her encounter with Clinton.

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34. You are forgetting the basis of our system of justice.

Innocent until proven guilty.

An out-of-court settlement with Ms. Jones does not make Bill Clinton a liar.

[PoliticalAmazon]

39. He lied in a Paula Jones deposiion. It wasn't perjury, but it was a lie. n/t

[leftynyc]

56. If he lied during a deposition

it most certainly is perjury.

[PoliticalAmazon]

59. Sigh. No, it's not. I didn't believe it either, but lying under oath is not....

necessarily purjury. If you followed the Clinton investigation/lawsuit/impeachment at all, this would be known.

This is how it works: A lie under oath is perjury ONLY IF the lie is germaine to the lawsuit. Clinton lied, but it was about an issue the judge ruled was not germaine to the case. Therefore, its not perjury.

Example: Say I was being deposed for a lawsuit over a property-rights issue. During my deposition, opposing council asked me, "Is it true that you were once arrested for public indecency on the Capitol steps?" If I said "no" I would be lying (I did, in fact, moon some friends from atop the Capitol steps in my misspent youth) but it would not be perjury because being arrested for mooning my pals decades ago has nothing to do with a property-rights issue.

I understand why you don't believe it. I didn't either. But further research proved it to be true.

[leftynyc]

66. I understand the rule

I just never heard that a judge had determined that the lie was not germaine to the lawsuit.

[PoliticalAmazon]

125. That surprised me, too. The lie, if I remember correctly, was about Bill's....

affair with Monica Lewinsky. I can see arguments for both sides of the perjury question.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Well, let's see...

the hotel Gennifer Flowers claimed to have had an affair with Bill Clinton in wasn't built by the time she said they had an affair.

:shrug:

[Yotun]

97. Why should we care if they didn't?

I don't dount Bill had sexual contacts with various women- why should I care? These two obviously are out there to make come easy cash. Its not some shocking revelation, or something that scarred them for life. Just two, in the end insignificant, idiots Bill may or may not have had some contact with, squizing out every last penny they can get out of their 10 minutes of fame with a 'celebrity'.

[Tim4319]

3. I guess Paula is still paying for that nose job!

[Alter Ego]

4. These two need to go the fuck away.

They had their fifteen minutes. Now they're just kicking Clinton while he's down.

[Dinger]

7. Ditto (nt)

[Carolina]

41. while I agree completely

shit like this is another reason why Obama should steer clear of the Clintons.

[Cha]

51. Exactly! Too much dirty

laundry in their baggage.

[Alter Ego]

58. You won't hear me disagree with that.

[TexasObserver]

5. UGH. My biggest problem with Bill on that stuff is his lack of standards.

Why was he such a bottom feeder when it came to sex on the side?

[ej510]

13. Really though if I were going to cheat. It would be with some of the hottest women in

town.

[Kali]

15. no shit

How embarrassing.

[knixphan]

31. yep...

Rule #1, if you have privacy to protect, have an affair with someone who has high standards also, and therefore has just as much to protect.

Looks aside, Bill's decision-making was sorely lacking in that one regard.

[Honu one]

33. Bill feeds on women with self esteem issues

[TexasObserver]

63. he has seemed to be a bottom feeder in that regard

[sudopod]

40. Peter Griffin?

Really, Bill? :3

[Carolina]

42. because men marry up and fuck down

according to a divorce lawyer! :evilgrin:

[TahitiNut]

48. Most folks think Bill fucked up.

:dunce:

[Catherina]

64. Between you and Carolina I'm ROFL! n/t

[TahitiNut]

92. Carolina delivered the PERFECT straight line.

I'm amazed I beat the rush and got to steal the rimshot. :evilgrin:

[ecstatic]

62. oh my gosh! PERFECT line! nt

[Tinksrival]

106. Ha!

:rofl: I gotta remember that one!

[nebula]

65. If Bill had standards in the looks dept

he wouldn't be married to her frigidness.

[Giant Robot]

6. Why do I constantly feel the urge

To make derogatory comments about these two?

[ecstatic]

8. Well the way they've gone about this IS disgusting

Don't kiss and tell!!

[JimGinPA]

9. Their Collective 15 Minutes Were Over Years Ago...

Who really cares?

[emilyg]

28. Tacky trash.

[Teaser]

10. time has not been kind

.

[Bucky]

11. Wow, they really missed out on that nostalgia gravy train.

I still think Paula Jones is adorable and wish she'd done better against Tanya Harding.

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12. Celebrity Boxing?

:rofl:

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. And cue the photo:

[underpants]

16. Rather fitting that they are shown standing on a street corner

for $2 do I get 8 turns with them?

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Talk about two people that need to get lives.

[KingFlorez]

19. Isn't it time for them to move on?

Still trying to make a buck off their stories, just ridiculous.

[JuniperLea]

20. Common Whores Make Money on the InterTubes

This is nothing new.

The more money they try to make off this, the less credibility they have.

Knock yourself out, skanks.

[Catherina]

67. This is really shameful. Clinton fucks around making himself blackmailable

and risking OUR national security and you call the women he fucked around with SKANKS and WHORES.

That's downright shameful and one reason I had NO respect for the hypocritical cries when Randi called Hillary and Geraldine whores.

SKANKS? They're skanks because HE had an affair with them and the existence of these women is politically embarrassing to his loyalists? One think I can't forgive, as a woman, is that the women he messed around with were humiliated and quartered by the Clinton loyalists (of which I was one back then) while he gets a free pass.

[JuniperLea]

69. Yes, they are SKANKS!

Any woman who has sexual relations with a married man is a skank. Any woman who makes money from such an action is a WHORE!

Get thee to a dictionary... then name one man in power who has NOT dallied with the ladies (or the boys)... then take your outrage elsewhere.

You are dreaming. When did Bill ever get a free pass from anyone?

You are delusional.

You should direct all that hate where it will do some good... try Bush II... then try Bush III (McCain).

I'm really sick of the bull-fucking-shit "risked our national security" GOP meme. If he had passed national secrets instead of bodily fluids, you might have something there. You have nothing.

[Catherina]

74. Sorry. That won't work. If I get me to a dictionary, you look like an uniformed hypocrite J

skank (skngk)
n.
1. A rhythmic dance performed to reggae or ska music, characterized by bending forward, raising the knees, and extending the hands.
2. Disgusting or vulgar matter; filth.
3. One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl.

skanky
Adjective
Slang
1. dirty or unattractive
2. promiscuous

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skanky


Now considering the shrieks of outrage from you when Randi called Hillary Clinton a whore, I'd say you need to spend more time perusing them and brushing up on the English languate. Quite a little feminist you are, letting men off the hook, crucifying the women and then throwing another tantrum.

In both cases only the third definition applies making Randi as correct as you are. If Paula's a skank, Randi was ok to call Hillary a whore. Your choice.


whore (hôr, hr)
n.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

intr.v. whored, whor·ing, whores
1. To associate or have sexual relations with prostitutes or a prostitute.
2. To accept payment in exchange for sexual relations.
3. To compromise one's principles for personal gain.

[JuniperLea]

80. You are confused

I've already responded to you... you were confused and didn't know who you were talking to.

The skanks in the OP are trying to make money off of having had sex. That makes them whores. They are accepting payment.

I'm routinely outraged by Randi Rhodes... she is losing it... she is no longer helping. I don't recall said outrage about her calling someone a whore... but clearly the two you mention are not selling sex for money, so I would have taken issue, no question.

"English languate"... I'll make you a deal. I'll brush up on vocabulary, if you brush up on spelling.

[Catherina]

85. Deal for the typo

How did you miss the said outrage? It was when she called Hillary and Geraldine whores and people got all bent out of shape saying she was calling them prostitues. My point is that in both cases the third definition applied so it's hard to get bent out of shape for disrespect in one case and not in the other.

Seriously, I find the word skank offensive because it demeans according to class, like the word trailer-trash.

I'm not going to fight over this.

[JuniperLea]

87. Hahahaha...

"I'm not going to fight over this."


No, you'll just insist on having the final word.


:rofl:

[Catherina]

90. Of course ;) n/t

[JuniperLea]

91. This is too funny...

Someone used this dictionary in another thread... so, I thought I'd check for skank... The last line...

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This skank Audio Help (skāngk) Pronunciation Key
n.
A rhythmic dance performed to reggae or ska music, characterized by bending forward, raising the knees, and extending the hands.
Disgusting or vulgar matter; filth.
One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl.

[Carolina]

76. Bill was wrong

but these skanks pursued him, too and they sucked and fucked their way to money and deserved infamy. So they are whoring skanks! :rofl:

[Catherina]

79. How do we know who pursued whom?

Personally, I would like to continue giving Bill the benefit of the doubt, not because he's a paragon of virtue but because after reading the Ken Starr report, it was clear Monica pursued him and she had told friends, before going to DC, that she had her kneepads ready. I also think Bill had every intention of guarding his behavior while he was President. On the other hand he's the one who took marriage vows and put himself in a very shaky situation.

[Carolina]

84. you answered your own question

Monica sought her presidential kneepads and recall too, that she flashed her thong strap at Bill...

What I am simply saying is that there are women, often nubile and younger, out there who pursue older wealthy powerful men. And they don't give a rat's ass about the man's family or marriage vows. I agree with you that the man is wrong, but THESE SKANKS ARE NOT INNOCENT.

Skank is the perfect word for them regardless of what you found in the dictionary. It is not only a common term used to define women who fuck around with married men but it also sounds nasty. What these women do is nasty in every sense of the word.

[JuniperLea]

81. Well said, Carolina!

:rofl:

Very, very well said!

[WinkyDink]

113. And you are calling Paula Jones this why?

[npincus]

21. Bill Clinton's penis a cottage industry for has-beens?

Ladies, you've used up your alloted 15 minutes.

[yellowdogintexas]

122. cottage industry for the Clenis

too damn funny :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Beacool]

22. CNN thought that this was news????

Wow, two skanks for the price of one and neither one is worth the $2.00 bucks.

:puke:

[Catherina]

68. You too beacool? Skanks? How are people to take you seriously

if you only get upset when the word is used against people you love, like Hillary? I'm shocked to see you using the word.

Why are they skanks?

[JuniperLea]

70. Skanks screw around with married men...

That is the definition of a skank.

[Catherina]

71. It's weird to my ears. Very weird

Especially since skank has the added connotation of

"implies poor taste, personally degrading behaviour and low socioeconomic class."

We're not going to come to blows over this (just not important enough) but I'm so surprised to see both you and Juniperx using it.

I've always felt immensely sorry for Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky and other such young women sexually used by older men. It seems so unfair to me to call them skanks when they're not the ones who made the marriage vows.

:hi:

[JVS]

72. I find it very odd that the supporters of a candidate that was supposed to be a victim of sexism...

are so unashamed to toss the word "skank" around.

[Catherina]

77. I find it odd too. At least beacool is willing to discuss it

but I must admit I'm a bit perplexed because the standards seem inconsistent.

[JuniperLea]

75. How would you feel about a woman

Who had sexual relations with your husband, knowing full well SHE knew full well the man was married.

The person who made the vows is certainly culpable for their actions. The women in question were adults at the time of the indiscretion, and are also responsible for their actions.

Bill was POTUS... the entire world knew he was married. Giving these skanks a free pass is no better than giving one to Bill.

An aside: I grew up in the South Bay area of Los Angeles County. As long as I can remember, a skank had sex with a married man, a slut had indiscriminate sex with anyone, and a whore got money out of the deal.

[Catherina]

82. Oh I'd call her a fucking whore and worse before gouging her eyes out

NO DOUBT. But I'd cut my husband's instruments off first.

What I'm calling you on is using the term at all after all the prudish lectures the Nanny Police subjected people to during the Primaries.

In the North Bay area of San Francisco, we use skank, whore and slut much differently. Skanks are just low-classed not very hygenically tempting women. It's not dependent on promiscuity.

Here's the usage I'm familiar with:

skank (skngk)
n.
1. A rhythmic dance performed to reggae or ska music, characterized by bending forward, raising the knees, and extending the hands.
2. Disgusting or vulgar matter; filth.
3. One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl.
intr.v. skanked, skank·ing, skanks

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skank

[JuniperLea]

83. I'll not argue colloquialisms

And I think you have the wrong person. I ignore far more Randi threads than I post to.

[Catherina]

89. Good to know. Thanks n/t

[Carolina]

78. age notwithstanding

Paula and Monica were not innocents used by older men.

While it's true that there are some predatory older men out there, if you've ever seen young women pursue men (usually middle-aged and married) with money, or power or best of all worlds BOTH, you've seen skanks. They help create and facilitate the male mid-life crisis.

Yes, the word may be distasteful but so are these home wreckers! And most (not all) are far from innocent.

:hi:

[Catherina]

96. I don't disagree with that. I mainly disagree with what I consider a double standard

If it's ok to call them skanks and whores then it's ok to call women within our own party that when the term fits. Sexists slurs are either ok or they're not.

As far as I'm personally concerned what's important is the consistency of standards, not so much the use. Like this:

HIGGINS About you, not about me. If you come back I shall treat you just as I have always treated you. I can't change my nature; and I don't intend to change my manners. My manners are exactly the same as Colonel Pickering's.

LIZA That's not true. He treats a flower girl as if she was a duchess.

HIGGINS And I treat a duchess as if she was a flower girl.

LIZA I see. The same to everybody.

HIGGINS Just so.

...

HIGGINS The great secret, Eliza, is not having bad manners or good manners or any other particular sort of manners, but having the same manner for all human souls: in short, behaving as if you were in Heaven, where there are no third-class carriages, and one soul is as good as another.

LIZA Amen. You are a born preacher.

HIGGINS The question is not whether I treat you rudely, but whether you ever heard me treat anyone else better.

And no, do not ask me what I have to say about homewreckers but my language can be very coarse ;)

:hi:

[WinkyDink]

115. Then Jones isn't one.

[Beacool]

102. I don't think I have a double standard for it.

Hillary has not behaved inappropriately with a man who is not her husband.

Gennifer Flowers to me is a vindictive woman who had an affair with a married man and when he sought the presidency attempted to sink his candidacy out of spite. She has capitalized her mistress status ever since, writing books about it, giving interviews and now debasing herself with these "chats" with Paula. Furthermore, she is the one who kept saying that Bill had told her that Hillary was a lesbian. She was also bitter when Hillary got pregnant, for some reason she had assumed that Bill & Hillary didn't have relations. She's the typical other woman who is jealous of the wife and sets out to destroy a marriage.

Paula Jones was a tool of the right. For years she never utters a word about Bill's supposed request for oral sex and waits until the man is president to sue him. She also chooses to announce her suit during a conservative convention in DC. Interesting how she supposedly couldn't stand to be in the same room as Bill, but went happily to see him speak when the case had blown over.

I have nothing but contempt for either of these two women. I chose the word "skank" carefully, I had worse epithets in mind.

P.S. I don't excuse Bill for a minute for his numerous affairs, but the women also bear responsibility in the matter.

[JVS]

104. "Hillary has not behaved inappropriately with a man who is not her husband."

as far as we know.

[Beacool]

120. Got proof to the contrary?

Other than scurrilous rumors, that is.......

[Max_powers94]

24. this is why Hllary can NOT be VP

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35. Because these two found a corner of the interwebz?

Really?

[Carolina]

44. yep, baggage by extension

[PBS Poll-435]

47. ROFL

Every time these two open there mouths, the Clinton's Favorabilty numbers go up.

See 1998-2000.

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. The saddest story I heard about Paula Jones....

was that, after the case was settled and Hillary paid her $370,000 from Hillary's own investments, Bill Clinton was in Arkansas for an event and Paula Jones was there in the crowd, eagerly awaiing his appearance.

[WinkyDink]

112. Link? Not that this gossip isn't Gospel, but still.....

[PoliticalAmazon]

126. Don't have the link available, and I didn't think the story was important enough....

to archive. Sorry!

[LynneSin]

27. Reality is so sad after your 15minutes expired like what - 16 years ago

These 2 need to move on in life. There stories were heard and the the majority of the people in the states just didn't give a fuck about them and voted Bill Clinton into office TWICE.

[cbc5g]

29. I guess they haven't gotten the news that there isn't a Clinton on the ballot this November?

They were totally setting this up to derail Hillary.

[philkd]

103. Absolutely - lots of landmines waiting ahead for HRC, no matter how lame

[Catherine Vincent]

32. Those two will never get over Big Dog. nt

[PoliticalAmazon]

36. I apologize in advance for making this uncharitable comment. More delicate eyes may not want to....

read this post.

Back when the Paula Jones lawsuit was just completed, she made a publicity appearance boxing another woman (Tonya Harding, I think).

There was a picture of them, wearing tights, and Paula had a very hangy-floppy camel-toe.

I thought at the time, "Scaife should have paid for a 'toe-lift when he paid for her face work."

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37. That is NOT a pretty picture

:puke:

[JNelson6563]

57. OMG you're right! Ew!

And boy ol' Tonya's beefed up a bit since that pic with Paula

[RFKHumphreyObama]

38. Oh please...let these hangers on enjoy their last 15 minutes of fame

:eyes:

For me I got sick of them the first time I saw them. Go away already

[Lucinda]

43. Why is this in GDP? n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

50. Hopefully it is Quarantined

I don't want to see this trash in the Cooking Group.

[Lucinda]

52. LOL...Excellent point!

:thumbsup:

[Orsino]

45. Clinton fanfic!

Political pr0n.

[Thrill]

46. This is the stuff they had lined up to go after Hillary with if she was the nominee

It was going to be all about Bill

[yellowdogintexas]

124. which actually in a strange sort of ironic way could actually have aroused more sympathy

for Hillary Clinton amongst women that might not otherwise have voted..............yeah, convoluted I know and surely not their intent but it is a delicious irony anyway

[izzybeans]

49. Pay per view crapola.

[Deja Q]

53. Why can't they write a script, send it to FOX, and have them produce it like how everyone else does?

$1.99? Per minute? Phone sex would be cheaper than this... this... phone-voyeurism...

[question everything]

54. Gas prices are up, food prices are up and a girl has to earn a living

so whoring in the streets or online - same thing.

I've always wanted to ask Paula Jones: you said that he invited you to go to his hotel room. What were you expecting? Reading poetry?

[ObamaKerryDem]

60. How tacky.

:eyes:

[Raine]

61. Bill was a hinderance, that's one thing

I can agree with them about.

[TexasObserver]

73. They say don't go ... on Wolverton Mountain ... cause Gennifer Flowers ...

What?! It was Clifton Clowers?

Never mind.

[JuniperLea]

86. I love that song!

I just took all my grandmother's favorite albums and selected my favorite songs from same... I call my mix: "Grandma Dugan's Kitchen" because from the time I was born, until my grandmother's death in 1998, she had her favorite old-school country station playing in the kitchen.

I'm a metal head for the most part, but I got to see all of the old-timers perform live... Granny couldn't drive, so starting at age 16, I drove her to every show in Southern California. I was far more blessed than I knew at the time. I have a very, very strong appreciation, and love, of a lot of the old stuff. You name 'em... from Faron Young to Johnny Cash to The Carter Family... Mel Tillis... Tammy Wynette... you name 'em, I've seen 'em. They share memory space with Blue Oyster Cult, Black Sabbath, Turbonegro, etc:)

[styersc]

88. Why pay to hate on the Clintons when DU does it for free?

Expect Obama to be endorsed by Jones and Flowers in the very near future.

[Scoovydoo]

93. We in the left used to hate Paula Jones and Geniffer

Not anymore.

[Catherine Vincent]

94. Shut up, troll!

[Pisces]

95. They should keep their mouths shut. they decided to sleep with a married man and now want

to cash in. Sorry but you are the losers and I don't think Hillary will be taking advice from sluts.

[WinkyDink]

111. You apparently do not know Paula Jones' story, which most decidedly did NOT include an affair.

[slinkerwink]

98. So stupid.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

99. I think it's brilliant. But, they should charge more.

[tyedyeto]

100. Does anyone really give a shit? n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

101. Didn't Paula Jones sue because of damage to her character? What is she now? Selling sex for $$$.

[JVS]

105. I am shocked by the rampant and unimpeded sexism that is hurled at these two women in this thread.

It's pretty clear to me that we have a lot of "feminists of convenience" who have no problem looking the other way or even perpetrating the attack when the victims aren't people they like.

[Tinksrival]

110. Ha! I love DU!

:rofl:

[ecstatic]

117. "feminists of convenience"

:rofl:

[Radical Activist]

107. How much do we have to pay to make them shut the fuck up and go away?

Your 15 minutes was up a long time ago ladies. No one cares anymore.

[still_one]

108. fuck you CNN for even considering this news /nt

[Radical Activist]

109. This is why I want a Clinton on the ticket for VP. We need these destractions.

[WinkyDink]

114. Do some people here NOT know that Paula Jones did NOT have sex with Clinton?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones

[ecstatic]

116. Thanks for the link. I would have never looked it up on my own nt

[slackmaster]

118. Yes, but he did eschew her

:hide:

[Evergreen Emerald]

119. Why is this crap even on DU? Seriously? Only the most

rabid right-wing hater would believe this to be an appropriate thread--especially on a "progressive" board.

[Beacool]

121. Is there any difference between the Freepers and DU when it comes to Bill & Hillary.

Both boards have been equally rabid in their hatred for everything Clinton. Pity because they now need her and her supporters to help elect their leader.

Oh, the hypocrisy of it all......

[LanternWaste]

123. I imagine a lot of prudish people...

I imagine a lot of prudish people will see this as perfect opportunity to pass judgments, advice and opinions on the personal lives of others... again.