As A Woman, I Am Disgusted and Demoralized

[DemocracyInaction]

Well...the country has suffered under Republican domination for years now because "stupid White Men" were snookered into voting against their very survival by scumbags like Limbaugh and the rest of his ilk.

Now it looks like this year could be the year of "Stupid White Women" as they march off to embrace Johnny McCain because they are pitching a hissy fit. Oh well, staying home "where you belong" isn't that bad. And, for those of you who feel you have to work, it will take a little bit of adjusting your budget since, as you know, no woman is worth half what a male counterpart makes-- but you can tighten your belt.

Combine "stupid white women" with "stupid white men" and throw in far right religious nutcakes and add a big dose of "bigots" and we have a McCain rout in Novemember! This country is literally too ignorant to ever change.

[KittyWampus]

1. Obama is doing fine with women. EOM

[melody]

2. The number of actual female voters for McCain will be very small

We vote overwhelmingly Democratic, no matter who the nominee is. And with the non-bigots, the African-American vote,
most minorities and, god love 'em, those latte-drinking liberals, it will be an Obama rout in November.

[papapi]

13. Bless you child.

[SwampG8r]

19. and old white guys who

are sick of the way things are now!

[melody]

32. Of course n/t

[lukasahero]

3. Stop believing the media hype

Let it go.

-- Signed, A stupid white woman who cast her primary vote for Obama.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

5. She isn't speaking

to smart white women... Just to the knuckleheads.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

4. I get what

you are saying. I know it is amazing that over 20% of Hillary supporters would rather have 4 or even 8 more years of Republican domination and more war rather than vote for a black man.

I get what you are saying.

I am disgusted by the religiosity of our Republic. It is as if we have stepped back in time about 1200 years. The world is flat and we burn you for believing in science. If the idiots who will leave the Democratic Party to vote for that ass they were NEVER really interested in what being a Democrat is all about.

You feel like screaming? Me too. But I just keep reading what Republicans are saying about McCain and what they are saying is not flattering. :pals:

[tandot]

6. I think it is just media hype pushed by Republicans to divide us

There will be only a few Clinton supporters who won't vote for Obama. And, there are Republicans who'll vote for Obama instead of McCain. My husband's friend, a life-long Republican, will vote for Obama and I've heard more stories like that.

[Fredda Weinberg]

7. Women suffered under Democratic administrations as well. Sorry

but there are no heros here.

[DemocracyInaction]

9. It's been a long process...

..to get where we are now. I fought those battles in the 60's and 70's. Don't delude yourself that it really doesn't make much difference if it's Obama, McCain or maybe Mr. Barr! If they can stuff the women who were the ones still hanging on while the stupid white men took a right turn, then they can stuff us right back into our "cute" little hat boxes and carry us around as their trophies. Blacks suffered under Democrats too--like pre-Civil War (and after); but they sure as hell don't want to return there under the party of rule by white men only.

[tblue37]

21. Nader also said there would be no difference between a Gore and a Bush administration. n/t

[democrattotheend]

28. How is nominating Obama trying to stuff anyone back into anything?

This is what really gets to me. I don't understand how Hillary's loss in the primary equates to a rejection of all women. I have heard other Clinton supporters say that and I don't get it. Exit polls showed that Clinton benefited significantly from her gender. She lost because she ran a bad campaign. She mismanaged money, underestimated her opponent, misread the mood of the electorate, and chose to write off too many states. Blaming her failures on her gender is an affront to gender equality. The primary results were not a rejection of women, and I don't see how the hell you get from Hillary losing to women being stuffed back into a hat box. The primaries were nothing more than a rejection of this particular woman. None of the women in my family of any age see her loss as an affront to us, and neither do the millions of women who voted for Obama.

[LaurenG]

17. Going backward is not the goal here though

No one has given us 100% of what we needed or wanted but a man who refers to his wife using the "c" word will never get this woman's vote. But then I'm smarter than average, maybe that's it. x(

[democrattotheend]

26. Does that include Bill Clinton?

Or was his presidency magic?

[TexasObserver]

27. That was uncalled for.

If you can't get behind the effort for Democrats, there are boards for you to post your disdain for us.

[zulchzulu]

8. I think the Hillary-to-McCain Women Voter thing is mostly media-driven nonsense

Once people see McCain's record with women's rights, it would be like them voting for Newt. Sure, there will be some...but not in any kind of level to greatly damage the race.

[DemocracyInaction]

10. We need Hillary right now

We can stop this in it's tracks before the media hypes it even further if Hil would get out there right now (not a month from now) just ripping McCain and all his "plans" to shreds. She is a realy advocate for health care and McCain wants to set things back even worse by destroying employer healthcare group plans, dumping everyone on the market and letting insurance companies get rid of everyone who has ever been sick or is getting above the age of 50! My god, that is as black and white on healthcare as it gets. This would be a good time for to take the stage and go savagely after McCain. We could do a two on one right now without even having a VP pick yet while he has no one equivalent to stand by his side and attack Obama. I've bad mouthed Hillary all over the place but now is the time for her to really be a leader in this party.

[Adelante]

11. It's a senior citizen problem - Not a woman problem.

Obama won younger women and split the vote of middle-aged women in the primary race. He's leading McCain with women overall by 12-14 points currently. But he is running against a much older man and just finished a hard won primary from a candidate who owned that 60+ demographic. He's already moving up with women and Hispanics. He needs to do the same with older voters, and I think he will once the dust settles a little bit. Those extreme voters you are talking about are a small minority and though they are likely to vote McCain, most of them always were.

[cascadiance]

16. I think my Mom has been supporting Obama long before the rest of us in our family...

and she definitely is a senior citizen. I started supporting folks like Feingold, Gore, and Edwards and have moved over to Obama well after she did. I think it is those seniors through either their medical conditions, those they are around, etc. that don't allow them to stay informed as much as the rest of society that are more likely to be the problem.

I don't think we should blanketly label seniors all this way. Now my mom gets depressed at times when I talk to her about the problems our country is facing, and perhaps many other seniors feel that way too (and feel a sort of doom where they won't see good times ahead in the remainder of their lifetimes), but I think if we reason with them, we can hopefully have them feel that things will turn around soon enough for them to feel good again too.

[Adelante]

20. I'm a senior citizen myself who supports Obama

I certainly don't mean to blanket anybody. I'm talking in terms of polling and election returns. It's a demographic Obama needs to bring over.

[TexasObserver]

33. Agreed. It's voters age 60 and older, and it's all about 1950s mindsets.

People who graduated high school before 1966 or so tend to be less accepting of blacks across the board. It's a divide, the mid 1960s, and those who graduated after the mid 1960s tend to be more open to an integrated society.

Brown v. the Board of Education was decided in 1954, but it wasn't implemented until almost a dozen years later. White people who graduated from all white schools before integration seem to have a hard accepting blacks as acceptable for president. I think it's deeply imbedded racism.

[cascadiance]

12. Though we have some idiots on this board who are as you fear, most women here are not like this...

I see most here are thinking for themselves and rationally understand that we need to win in November for this republic to survive and for ALL of us, whether we be less than the elites in economic terms, religious or ethnic minorities, non-heterosexual, to be able to win, we need Obama to win! Those that continue to just swallow the spitefulness that the Republicans and the M$M is trying to feed us ARE the stupid ones, and I believe a minority at this point. We shouldn't be amplifying the stupid ones' message here, and carry through with our own frame of the problems and solutions instead.

[DemocracyInaction]

18. I really take offense at your remarks

I am one of those "60+" broads who spent the 60's and 70's fighting for civil rights and women's rights where most of you just read about it. I have seen first hand women climbing up and now the "stupid" ones are ready to blow it all in the sewer because they can't see the difference of voting for McCain...just like the morons of both sexes couldn't see the harm of voting for Nader (tell that to 4,000 plus dead soldiers). I want to emphasize to all of those who keep holding on to this notion of "I'll cut off my nose to spite my face" that they better have a damn good plastic surgeon on hand when their face and their ass gets blow off by more wealthy, white man rule. We need Obama and we need Hillary to get out there RIGHT NOW and show these women what a vote for McCain means.

[janet118]

29. Tell it, sister!!

Despite the media meme, many of us "older white women" know Barack Obama is one of the best candidates we have seen in our lifetimes and, in many ways, the culmination of our activism. We are the ones who have been doing the political grunt work for years. We have been active in lots of movements, civil rights, anti-Vietnam, pro-choice, feminism, environmental protection, alternative energy, natural childbirth, and healthy food. We volunteered for RFK, Shirley Chisolm, Eugene McCarthy, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, Mike Dukakis, Carol Moseley Braun, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, and John Kerry. We are pleased to see the growing activism of formerly apathetic young people, but it hurts when they do not see us older women as individuals, but as a demographic. Please do not disparage your foremothers and divide us with talk of age, sex, education-level and race. Leave that to the media. We are on the same side now.

And we ALL want to take our country back!!!

[cascadiance]

31. Woah, I had no intent of offending. I was trying to defend most women here!

Old and young... I was trying to say that MOST of them I see here are thinking for themselves, and are voting intelligently and judging our candidates for where they stand on the issues, etc. and are some of the strongest forces in our voting populace.

I was just trying to isolate the "stupid" ones that you were talking about as the ones that the MSM and the Republicans are either posing as, or trying to give more voice than they deserve, as if they represent a larger segment of the population than they really do, so that the corporate media can, in effect, try to use it to smear feminism more. Most of us here, men or women, are wise to the M$M's games these days, and it's not going to work! I think most women here understand the need to ensure that we don't have McCain elected here (Bush 3) and screw up our Supreme Court amongst other things.

I apologize if I offended anyone. I sympathize with many women here who are frustrated at coming so close to having a big win after so many years of supporting others but still understanding the need to vote their interests and not their emotions. Ultimately, I do believe that Obama will work for your interests and in the end bring you back from a big part of the mess that Bush has left us.

[Tesha]

14. Please don't confuse "loud and encouraged by the media" with numerous.

Millions of women *WILL* be voting for Obama and
*WON'T* be voting for McCain under any conceivable
circumstances. But we're not nearly as much of an
"audience draw" as a few loons who will shoot their
own feet by voting for a conservative Republican.

So you get to hear from them and not from us. :(

Tesha

[grace0418]

15. Honestly, I think many of the "Hillary Supporters" who now claim they will vote for McCain

were probably always going to vote for McCain. They couldn't disrupt the Dem primary as much as they hoped so now they're trying to undermine the GE by causing more doubt and infighting. It's all they have. They certainly don't have a candidate worth a sack of shit.

I know for a fact there are a few women (I personally know a couple) who will vote against their own best interests because of sour grapes over Obama, but I think those numbers are small. And I think most of those women will come to their goddamn senses by November.

[Cha]

22. They must be the "me generation"...it's all about

ME ME ME and how hurt my feelings are..definetly not about the crisis the Planet is in.

[skygazer]

23. I don't really believe that vast numbers of angry women are going to vote for McCain

I just don't believe it. I think there is a very vocal minority who the media and the Republican noise machine are pushing at us but they in no way represent the majority.

There is a pool of stupid in ever race - the ones who believe the crap about "security moms" or the ones who fear that gay marriage is going to cause society to implode, or the ones who really believe that "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

Don't fall for the media spin.

[gal]

24. The women who voted for Hillary because she was a woman disgusted me from the beginning.

For true equality you vote for the candidate and values, NOT because she is a woman. The women voting for her because they want to see a woman in the Whitehouse has the whole 60-70 revolution backwards. Maybe they need to revisit what it was about. They belong back in the kitchen because it's obvious they can't think for themselves....

[democrattotheend]

25. I have no problem with women voting for Hillary because she is a woman

Just as I have no problem with African Americans voting for Obama because he is black. Both of their candidacies are historic and I don't think there's anything wrong with women voting for Hillary because she would be the first woman president or blacks voting for Obama because he will be the first black president. What bothers me is when people treat me like I owe Hillary my vote because I am a woman. I would like to see a woman president and her gender was a consideration that made me more likely to support her...it just wasn't the only consideration. I get really upset when older women lecture me and claim that I "failed to stand up against sexism" because I did not vote for her in the primaries.

[Marrah_G]

30. A few angry women say they are going to vote for McCain and that demoralizes you?

You are talking about a small amount of women who will actually follow through with that come November. Those who stick to that plan won't have any effect at all on the election, and they should have any effect on you.

One more thing: They are just people behaving stupidly. They are upset and some people will always shoot themselvves in the foot on principal. They are not "stupid white women".

[blogslut]

34. It's media hype and nothing more

Don't let a bunch of talking heads shape reality. Women are going to vote Democratic and they are going to vote for Barack Obama.