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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:42 AM
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Gov. Kathleen Sebelius: Completing Obama's Puzzle
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Kathleen Sebelius, Completing The Obama Puzzle
up June 10, 2008 10:20 AM



When weighing Kathleen Sebelius' potential as a possible vice presidential pick for Barack Obama, it's useful to consider two separate instances when the Kansas Governor confronted President George W. Bush.

In May 2007, after a devastating tornado had wiped out the town of Greensburg, Sebelius was quick to highlight one of the unspoken truths of the recovery episode: Kansas lacked the resources and manpower it needed because much of the state's National Guard resources had been sent to Iraq. Going public, she repeatedly took jabs at Bush, scolding his Iraq policies for creating a readiness gap at home. Her rebukes earned her accolades in Kansas and with the press. It also prompted the scorn of several Bush lackeys -- a not-too-unfortunate wrist slapping for an emerging Democratic official.

Less than a year later, Sebelius' national stature landed her in another prime-time position, again opposite the president.

Taken together, these two Bush-related episodes could be considered the polar ends of the Kathleen Sebelius experience. To be fair, the median of the Kansas governor's attributes lie definitively closer to the person who eagerly challenged George Bush's war policies. Indeed, with Obama beginning the arduous process of choosing his number two, Sebelius -- who, sources say, enjoys a warm relationship with Obama and would take the job -- presents a heap of electoral promise but with small but significant question marks.

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The daughter of the former governor of Ohio, Sebelius rose steadily in the political ranks, winning six straight elections before taking over the governor's chair in 2002 and being reelected four years later. A progressive Democrat in an predominantly Republican state, she achieved remarkable favorability ratings while holding positions traditionally anathema in Kansas -- mainly by keeping focus on bread-and-butter issues.

"By and large, she's a moderate Democrat, truly pro-business, and able to convey a legitimate sense of being a competent administrator (which she is)," Burdett Loomis, a former Sebelius aide and professor of politics at the University of Kansas, said in an email. "She does exceedingly well in forums like Chambers of Commerce talks, where she exudes common sense and competence, while still maintaining core Democratic values -- education, health care, and sympathy for unions."

More often than not, Sebelius has harnessed legislative consensus for her agenda. In a special session in 2005, she was handed a budgetary bombshell when the state's Supreme Court ordered the government to provide $500 million for school funding (Kansas' budget is roughly $12 billion). Discussions went on for days in the legislature, with talk of impeachment of the justices surfacing. Sebelius stood behind the court, and recruited a slim majority of lawmakers to her side. Funds were passed for the schools and three years later the program is regarded as a success.

"She brings people together and gets things done," said Raj Goyle, a first term state representative. "Governor Sebelius has a unique record of reaching across traditional party lines in Kansas to build consensus."

But when she felt it necessary, Sebelius fought -- and often won. She vetoed a bill that would have required voters to show photo identification before voting, citing disenfranchisement concerns. She issued an executive order making it illegal to discriminate against state employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Three times in four years, she opposed legislation that would have restricted abortion access even though one of those bills passed the Kansas legislature by a two to one margin. Most recently, Sebelius offered a third veto to a bill that would have paved the way for the construction of two new coal-fired units in western Kansas, and she did it primarily on environmental grounds, a stance that a decade ago would have amounted to political suicide.

"Elected leaders are supposed to look at the big picture, at issues that may not affect citizens immediately but are extremely beneficial to the long-term condition of our society. Moving toward renewable energy provides opportunities for better-paying jobs, while helping to address concerns caused by global warming," she said of her decision.

Her position was held up by one vote in the statehouse.

"The coal industry thought that if there was one state it could buy off, it would be Kansas," said one legislator close to Sebelius. "She obviously made an incredibly risky decision to deny the permits. And never before in history had coal plant been rejected on environmental grounds."

And yet, despite the dug-in heels and the close-fought battles, Sebelius' standing has risen. In 2005, she was named by Time magazine one of the five best governors in America, lauded for eliminating a $1.1 billion debt without raising taxes. Her approval ratings, meanwhile, hover over 60 percent. Officials at the Democratic Governors Association -- which Sebelius chaired in 2007 -- repeatedly raved about her work ethic.

The Bush confrontation was emblematic of how Sebelius has curried broad support. After tornadoes hit six southwest Kansas counties, killing thirteen, Sebelius publicly declared that National Guard shortages "will just make it that much slower." The White House responded by first putting the blame at her feet, saying it was "not aware of any prior complaints" about a lack of personnel or equipment, and then suggesting that the governor had been in New Orleans, listening to jazz, when the storm hit. Neither were true. Sebelius had made at least five separate requests for equipment, beginning in Dec. 2005, and, on the day of the storm, she had been visiting family before immediately returning to the state.

According to a source close to Sebelius, the governor didn't take lightly to the smears. During a visit to the tornado site with the president, she reportedly continued to hammer away with her guard complaints. Kansans of all political stripes loved it.

"People were supportive of her and those comments," said Tim Owens a Republican legislator. "I'm a retired army colonel and I will tell you, I think she is right... I'm not very happy about the way the federal government went about dealing with the National Guard in regards to the war in Iraq."

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Being a successful Democrat in a Republican state, showing an ability to reach blue-collar voters, and demonstrating a tenacity to challenge the Bush administration, has vaulted Sebelius into any honest discussion of Obama's veepstakes. Sharing a good relationship with the Illinois Democrat and endorsing him fairly early in the primary cycle didn't hurt either
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/10/kathleen-sebelius-complet_n_106219.html
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:43 AM
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1. She sounds like someone you would want on your side, thank you for the article.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:46 AM
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3.  they do look great campaigning together
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:54 AM
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8. They really do, I love the picture, I forgot about her until I read your thread..
I recall how upset she was with bush and I am thrilled she seems to have come together with Sen Obama....I know the media kind of down played her anger but the little they did allow through shone brightly so I see her as a wondeful addition to Sen Obama's team.
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:46 AM
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2. Closed a $1.1B gap w/o raising taxes: Hey, Sebelius! Come to NJ, please.
We'd be soooo glad to see Corzine's back.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:49 AM
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4. and that was after the supreme court in KS ordered 500 million spending on education!
she took the entire state rental car fleet and leased them out or something
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:53 AM
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5. No equal opportunity ticket please. Which is what this gets called in today's political reality
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 10:54 AM by cryingshame
as if it isn't going to be hard enough to overcome Obama being bi-racial...

And this would piss off Clinton supporters who think it needs to be HER.

That said, I'd rather have had Sibelius run for POTUS rather than Hillary.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:00 AM
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10. Bah.
Bah I say. Clinton can live up to her word and come out strongly and enthusiastically in support of the choice and the only people who will be left pissed off about it are the lunatic nutcases still screaming about voting McCain because Hillary lost... and they can just go right ahead and BE pissed off. We don't need them, they're a screeching tantrum throwing minority and they'll continue to be one no matter who Obama picks that isn't Clinton.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:52 AM
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20. That's true...
If Sebelius is chosen, Hillary would have no choice but to stand up for her as a woman...

If she didn't show enthusiastic support for a woman becoming VP, Hillary would look like a narcissistic hypocrite.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:53 AM
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6. Damn! I am so impressed with this woman.
The more I learn about her, the more impressed I am. It's not that way with many politicians.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:53 AM
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7. If Obama doesn't want her
We would love her in Oregon !

I left Kansas cause it was too conservative.

Funny.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:08 AM
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14. Obama will choose the best person for the job. I predict he will surprise us all. n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 02:13 PM
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29. Perhaps.
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 02:24 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:56 AM
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9. I live in Kansas
and I'm proud and honored to have her as my Governor. I really would not like to lose her to the VP spot, even though she would make a wonderful one, and a better President, should that ever happen.

We really have no Democrat here who could take her place. Our Lt. Governor, Mark Parkinson, is a fine man who switched parties to be Sebelius's running mate two years ago. No one seems to consider him a likely candidate to run for Governor on his own in 2010, and there seems to be no other else in the state who is looking to run for that office as far as I can tell, and I'm reasonably well connected to the state and local Democratic Party. However, we do have some truly terrible Republicans in various offices, so there's the possibility that traditionally Republican Kansas will vote for many Democrats come November.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:04 AM
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11. You're losing her anyway.
Term limits... she'll be done in 2010 if we don't find her somewhere else to go.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:12 AM
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15. Yes, I know about the term limits
but we really, really need her for the rest of her term. And to let the Democrats here come up with someone to run for Governor in 2010. There simply is no one right now who can realistically do that. There are one or two state legislators who might possibly be thinking along those lines, but they do not have state-wide name recognition, that's for sure.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:20 AM
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16. Isn't she going to run for Senate against Brownshirt?
either her or Jill Docking for sure
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 04:16 PM
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33. Brownback said he isn't going to run for reelection
but I don't know who'd hire him. I halfway think that he'll renege on his promise not to run.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 04:53 PM
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34. wow I hope he doesn't run again, but I'm not sure I beleive him
maybe we can get rid of Pat Roberts this time since hes lived in Washington for like 30 years
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 05:22 PM
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36. I'm really rooting for Lee Jones
Slattery's been on my shit list ever since he pushed the South Lawrence Trafficway with Sandy Praeger back in the 80's. One of his suggestions was bifurcating the historic Haskell Indian Nations University campus by extending Massachusetts Street to 31st Street. That would have destroyed some pristine wetlands, the pow-wow grounds and Haskell itself.

I just don't trust Slattery. He was my rep for years, from his time in the Kansas House to the time he was in the US House, he "represented" me. He's got a history of advocating for those who contribute to his financial stability over doing what's right. I hate to say it but when he was in both Houses he was as accessible as Brownback has been as a Senator. Slattery was always too busy to talk to us about our concerns over the SLT. fwiw, we had to go to court and the 10th Circuit stopped the trafficway in 1998. On the bright side, I got so involved with it that I ended up going to law school (where I worked on the case before the 10th Circuit and as a result of our fight we were a test case for Clinton's Environmental Justice EO and we got Federal Highway to rewrite some of their NEPA guidelines for minority communities). If Slattery had listened to us it would have saved Kansans hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation fees, not to mention years in court.

If you'll recall, Slattery left Kansas in 1994 after losing his bid for governor to become a lobbyist. He was named by The Hill as one of the top telecom lobbyists in 2004 (see http://www.wileyrein.com/news_release.cfm?press_release_id=1245). On the bright side, Jimmy has a lot of friends here in the DC area and he already owns a home in Virgina. His law firm has been the seeding ground for many of Bush's FEC appointments. One of the named partners left to work for Bush about the time that Jimmy was lobbying for the telecoms (can you say "telecom immunity"?).

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 05:01 PM
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35. I agree with SheliaT, we can't lose her
not now. She's done a lot for the Kansas Democratic Party and right now is not the time for her to leave. The Kansas GOP is falling apart and a lot of it has to do with Kathleen being a good governor. She was elected in 2002 because of the split between the fundies and the conservative GOP. The fundies come out in droves during the primaries and get their wingnut in the general. The conservatives get disgusted and then vote for the Dems.

Like SheliaT said, our Lt. Gov. is a recent convert to the Democratic Party. He is, in fact, the former head of the Kansas State GOP and a moderate. I don't think he'd have the fortitude that Kathleen had to veto the coal plants. Kathleen has veto'ed coal plants three times now and most recently her veto was predicated on the basis of her concern for the climate crisis/global climate change. I don't see Mark being that progressive. Not only that but I'm afraid that Mark might start putting more conservative people into appointed position. Mark left the GOP more because of the fundies' control not because he suddenly saw the light. Kathleen leaving could create a domino effect that we (I still consider myself a Kansas Dem as I haven't officially changed my residency to Maryland. We still have our house in Kansas, we pay Kansas taxes and we're still registered to vote in Kansas) can't afford right now.

Also, if Kathleen leaves I fully expect that she will be excoriated by some of our own. She's a moderate Kansas Democrat. She's got some progressive ideas but she's not as liberal as she could be. Granted, if she was the VP she could loosen up some but I don't see it happening. I've met Kathleen many times because of my involvement with the KDP (and as a Kansas delegate in 2004) and she's got a lot of backbone on some things but not enough on others. I still remember when she wouldn't make any public appearances with Dean, after he became DNC chair. She had breakfast with him but was too busy to attend the kick off of the 50 State Strategy with him. This seemed weird at the time because she was a few blocks away. I know, I was one of the organizers for the private event. When she finished the event a few blocks away she returned to Topeka for dinner with her husband rather than join us at Liberty Hall (a sell-out event) for the public meeting. She walks a tightrope in Kansas politics and does it well. I don't know if she could do the same on a national stage. This isn't a swipe against Kathleen, I just know that she's worked really hard to maintain the balance between the different factions in Kansas to stay in office.

Plus, her husband is a federal magistrate. We'd not only lose Kathleen but there's a real good chance we'd lose her husband on the bench as well. If, as we're hoping, Kathleen runs for the Senate she'll be able to return to Kansas more often than she would as a VP. Plus, she'd continue to be a big asset to the Democratic party in Kansas and would be first the Democratic Senator we've had in, what seems like, forever (I checked, we haven't had a Democratic Senator since 1939).

Besides, if Kathleen left, the Democrat with the most seniority would be Rep. Dennis "Blue Dog co-chair" Moore.

Finally, I love Kathleen and I don't want to see her dragged through the mud.

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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:06 AM
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13. I forgot that part, She's amazing! Her Lt. Gov switched parties
if that isn't working for bi-partisanship I dont know what is
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:06 AM
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12. "She brings people together and gets things done."
A primary theme of the Obama campaign. For that reason alone, she will get a long look.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:22 AM
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17. She'd be an intriguing choice.
Certainly a bold one.

It would fit in well with Obama's promise of a new politics, bringing in people who can break the partisan mold.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:28 AM
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18. Surveys so far don't show her flipping Kansas for him. nt
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:34 AM
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19. Picking her isn't *about* flipping Kansas,
She's a Democratic governor of a state that had twice the number of registered Republicans than registered Democrats, who won election and re-election by large margins... and Obama is running on unification and cross-the aisle appeal to a large degree.

Picking her is about reinforcing his large tent appeal nationwide. The fact that she could also help significantly with the segment of the female vote that is all pissed off about losing their shot at a female president this year is also a serious bonus.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:02 PM
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21. She lacks foreign policy experience
She's my governor and I love her but she really is NOT VP material.

Besides she is needed here.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:24 PM
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22. Doesn't need it.
I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here again, the economy is where Obama needs his VP to shore things up. That means a Governor. He's got McCain beat on Foreign Policy already unless McCain completely reverses course on his Iraq stance without labeling himself as the dreaded "flip flopper" in the process. All the people panicking about trying to take on the war hero on that issue are worrying about nothing. the majority of the nation isn't going to come down on the side of the war hero who wants to STAY in Iraq when they want to leave. It's just that simple.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 01:30 PM
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25. I disagree. His VP must provide experience where Obama is weak...
Also, a name that the majority of American are already familiar with would be important.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 02:06 PM
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28. And like I said...
...Foreign Policy isn't where he's weak against McCain, and all the hand wringing about challenging Mr. war hero on that turf is a complete waste of time. There is one central issue on the Foreign Policy debate table. Iraq. Both candidates have already established clear and easily understood policies on it, and Obama's is the one that the majority of the electorate favors. A secondary issue is the whole "meeting with hostile foreign leaders" thing and the majority of people agree with him on that too. That's the simple issue for him.

The economy is the much harder issue, because any plan to address it is necessarily far more complex and murky and most people see the nuts and bolts of how the economy works on a national scale as being incomprehensible... and it is at minimum as important a concern in the GE as Iraq is. You're not going to convince most voters that you really know what you're doing on the economy by throwing policy at them. They don't understand it, it's white noise. You need to put someone in front of them that they can be confident DOES get it and then have them get everyone on board with the idea that the issue is in good hands. You need a Governor with a track record handling a domestic economy for that.

As for name recognition, anyone Obama names as his running mate gets that overnight. If it's someone who isn't nationally well known then frankly they'll get a lot more press while every media outlet scrambles to do profiles on them.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 02:50 PM
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30. Obama is perceived as weak in foreign policy....
I agree that the economy is important, but it will be easier for Obama to whup McCain on the economy because McCain's plans are basically "more of BushJrNomics," of which the majority of the nation is totally sick.

I disagree that name recognition isn't important because any VP will be able to piggy-back on Obama...

Obama was weak on name recognition when he started. This has vastly improved, but people still don't know who HE is, what kind of man and politician he is, etc. He doesn't need to be burdened by someon who will have to piggy-back on his own weak "product familiarity." The VP should be able to stand on their own in this regard. Elections are bad places to try to educate the public, and since Obama has to communicate to people who he is, he doesn't need the extra burden of explaining who his VP is.

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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:51 PM
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23. Good choice- IF a deal is made, in which the offer is made to Clinton and she rejects it
However I think it would be unwise to make the offer to a woman other than Clinton first. IF the offer is made to Clinton with the precondition that she rejects it, Sebelius would be a great choice.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 04:05 PM
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32. Why should we pander to sexists
who don't want to see Sebelius on the ticket?
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 01:29 PM
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24. I'd personally like to see it.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 01:44 PM
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26. Thanks for the article
I would also strongly support Sebelius on the ticket. Her choice would show that Obama recognizes the need for more women in high elective office. Governor Sebelius has also earned the right to a prominent national spotlight if she's interested, and it would be a great way to bring the Democrats new national faces.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 01:47 PM
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27. Thx for this - the more i learn about her, the more I like her.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 03:10 PM
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31. Sebelius: the Bilderberg VP
Just like John Edwards - and we lost with him too.

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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 06:46 PM
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37. People attack her because she doesn't have Obama's charisma
I don't give a damn about that though. She is a strong VP with tons of credentials...she's someone you could see stepping in if Obama ever needed her to.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:22 PM
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38. Sounds just what we are looking for really. Sounds a winning formula.
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