Democratic Rep. Dan Boren won't endorse Obama

[sabra]

http://newsok.com/boren-wont-endorse-obama/article/3255398/?tm=1213110565

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) _ Democratic Rep. Dan Boren says he will not endorse Illinois Sen. Barack Obama in the presidential race.

Boren is one of 10 superdelegates from Oklahoma. He says he plans to vote Democratic in the presidential election but that he will not endorse anyone in the race.

Boren says Hillary Clinton carried his 2nd Congressional District by 66 percent in the state's presidential primary. Statewide, Clinton won the Democratic primary with 55 percent of the vote. But she has suspended her campaign and Obama is the presumptive nominee.

He says he will vote with the rest of Oklahoma's delegation to nominate Obama at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Boren says his district is much more conservative than Obama, whom he described as the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate.

[yardwork]

1. What an asshole.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Dennis Kucinich hasn't endorsed Obama either

Is he an asshole too?

[MonkeyFunk]

27. ah

when Kucinich does something assholish, it's for the RIGHT reasons.

[Forkboy]

34. See my other post and rewire your kneejerk reactions accordingly.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. My thoughts on a subject

aren't nearly as influenced by your posts as you might hope.

[Forkboy]

43. I know..you keep making dumb comments no matter how much I try to help you.

:P

Nothing to say about you being wrong about Kucinich fans thinking he's always right?

[MonkeyFunk]

49. Well here's an example

When he voted with the Republicans opposing a withdrawal plan from Iraq, his fans here praised him, while simultaneously attacking the Republicans who voted the same exact way.

I think that's bullshit hero worship, not rational respect.

[Forkboy]

50. And yet I just gave you an opposite example.

Let me ask, do you think there's any candidate who doesn't have a handful of supporters like that? And do you think there's a good chance that most are rational in their respect?

[Zhade]

64. SNAP!

Oh, the deadline is so close...

[ericgtr]

47. I'm sorry but you have nothing but negative things to say on this site

Since Hillary's endorsement of Obama I have cleared my ignore list but I am going to go ahead and put you back on. Too bad you have to be so nasty to everyone, sigh.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. I say lots of positive things

but you don't like the people about whom I say them.

And if you see nastiness only going one way in this exchange, you're being willfully blind. But then again, people who use ignore are by definition willfully blinding themselves.

[lojasmo]

67. You haven't demonstrated 'thoughts' per se.

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. No one seems to know WHY Kucinich is right on this issue

[Forkboy]

33. In this instance DK is being an asshole.

And his lack of working with others has been one of his few drawbacks in my eyes.

[yardwork]

38. Did you actually read the article? Do you agree that Obama is the most liberal senator?

Do you agree that that's a bad thing? Context.

[Hippo_Tron]

71. Kucinich hasn't YET endorsed Obama, he hasn't gone to the press declaring that he won't endorse

[Starbucks Anarchist]

2. Somebody tell this dipshit that Hillary and Obama have almost identical records.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

21. But if he understood that, he wouldn't be a dipshit...

Now would he?

[Barack_America]

32. That's because "conservative" here likely means "[racist] whites"...

He's not endorsing because his constituents are racist and he fears there would be a backlash.

Plain and simple, but nonetheless unacceptable from a Democrat.

[cliffordu]

3. Bummer.

[Adelante]

4. Thanks, pal

What stupid, convoluted reasoning.

[Tim4319]

5. Wow! He must listen to Sean Hannity also.

[AllentownJake]

6. Don't worry

Come budget time the house leadership will remember your tremendous courage congressman.

[Cha]

26. Really, another Democrat who bites himself

in the ass.

[book_worm]

7. Is this the son of ex-Sen. David Boren? who has endorsed Obama

[book_worm]

12. I looked it up and he is ex-Sen. Boren's son.

[Ganja Ninja]

8. "Boren says his district is much more conservative than Obama"

Translation: "He's too black."

[JoFerret]

14. Maybe. But probably not.

It's not the answer to every piece of opposition to Obama you know.
That said - Boren does not strike me as any kind of admirable democrat.

[Barack_America]

39. He sits on the NRA's board of directors.

So yeah, not an admirable Democrat.

[Doityourself]

9. He's a chicken shit...

[Bleacher Creature]

10. "whom he described as the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate."

What a loser. His sole value is to vote for Nancy Pelosi as speaker every two years. After that, he should just go away.

[democrattotheend]

11. This guy is a Democrat?

If he does not want to campaign for Obama because he is worried it will hurt him in his district that's one thing, but him going out of his way to make a point of not endorsing is unacceptable, IMO.

[ej510]

16. He has to say this because of all of the idiot constituents he has.

If he endorses Obama then the republicans will use it to label him as too liberal. Democrats need to defend the word. Liberal means defenders of democracy.

[Cha]

28. Too bad he's such a slave he has to

cut off his own nose..and when Obama is president and he can sit around and fester while all the other Dems go wild.

Why doesn't he just go repuke?

[RooferDem]

13. Good move for Boren.

We need him to get re-elected and to vote with the Dems. This is the best way for that to happen in OK 02.

[ellacott]

15. I asked a couple of weeks ago if Supers could abstain from voting

This was a situation that I thought about.

[Hoof Hearted]

17. So, is he banned from DU then?

Under the bus maybe? Insufficiently worshipful?

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[RooferDem]

20. Did he endorse McCain? Did I miss something here?

[Occam Bandage]

24. Wah.

[Forkboy]

35. Try being something other than a vicitm.

You'll like it once you take yourself off the cross.

[VolcanoJen]

18. Looooooooooooooser

And a fine, fine target for ActBlue. We need mo' better Dems to run and this asshat is the perfect example as to why.

[AuntPatsy]

23. He is only showcasing his true motives...I have a feeling he will not even

vote for Sen Obama in the primary, he obviously wants to keep up the facade that he is a loyal a party member by saying he will but in effect he is using his position for smearing the Dem Candidate, this cannot be allowed and he should be called to task by the party leaders immediately like Lieberman should have been...

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. We will see if Boren suffers from this stance. n/t

[SoonerPride]

29. Sadly, not in his district in Oklahoma.

His father was a powerful Senator.

He endorsed Obama.

Dan doesn't have 1/10th of his father's skill or smarts.

Sad.

[newmajority]

55. So in other words

..he's Oklahoma's version of Evan Bayh?

[Cha]

30. It will be interesting

to watch his career after the INaugeration.

[truebrit71]

31. Does this backward-ass dipshit need to be reminded which party he supposedly represents..???

"Boren says his district is much more conservative than Obama, whom he described as the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate."

Hey, DICKHEAD....that's a GOOD THING you fucking moran... :grr:

[Inuca]

36. Didn't his father (ex-senator)

actually endorse Obama a while back (same time as Nunn)?

[Barack_America]

37. Then the Democratic party no longer requires Strom Thurmond's, er, I mean Dan Boren's, services.

Looking at this guy's voting record, he's barely a Democrat anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Boren

We can do better.

[Mabus]

41. Time to reactivate the Boren Broom Brigade

but this time we need to hit him with the broom and knock some sense into him.

[Zodiak]

42. So a Democratic superdelegate reads the National Review

...and take their bullshit analysis as gospel enough to spout it off as a talking point.

Fuck him.....he is the enemy. Anther Republican placeholder in Democratic clothes.

For the record, Obama is NOT the most liberal Senator....that distinction belongs to Tom Harkin when it comes to the big issues, at least over the last few years.

Harkin (Iowa) 82.75862069
Boxer (California) 82.75862069
Feingold (Wisconsin) 82.75862069
Kennedy (Massacheusetts) 77.5862069
Corzine (New Jersey) now Gov. 76.66666667
Lautenberg (New Jersey) 75.86206897
Durbin (Illinois) 75.86206897
Akaka (Hawaii) 75.86206897
Sarbanes (Maryland) 72.4137931
Kerry (Massacheusetts) DLC 70.68965517
Leahy (Vermont) 70.68965517
Levin (Michigan) 68.96551724
Mikulski (Maryland) 68.96551724
Reed (Rhode Island) 68.96551724
Biden (Deleware) 67.24137931
Dodd (Connecticut) 65.51724138
Wyden (Oregon) 65.51724138
Dayton (Minnesota) 65.51724138
Obama (Illinois) 63.79310345
Bayh (Indiana) DLC 60.34482759
Murray (Washington) 60.34482759
Schumer (New York) DLC 58.62068966
Inouye (Hawaii) DLC 56.89655172
Bingaman (New Mexico) 56.89655172
Dorgan (North Dakota) DLC 55.17241379
Reid (Nevada) 55.17241379
Byrd (West Virginia) 55.17241379
Clinton (New York) DLC 53.44827586
Menendez (New Jersey) DLC 50
Cantwell (Washington) DLC 48.27586207
Stabenow (Michigan) DLC 46.55172414
Kohl (Wisconsin) DLC 44.82758621
Feinstein (California) DLC 44.82758621
Leiberman (Connecticut) DLC 44.82758621
Rockefeller (West Virginia) 41.37931034
Conrad (North Dakota) DLC 41.37931034
Baucus (Montana) DLC 39.65517241
Carper (Deleware) DLC 34.48275862
Johnson (South Dakota) DLC 31.03448276
Lincoln (Arkansas) DLC 31.03448276
Salazar (Colorado) DLC 24.13793103
Pryor (Arkansas) DLC 22.4137931
Nelson (Florida) DLC 20.68965517
Landrieu (Louisianna) DLC 17.24137931
Nelson (Nebraska) DLC 3.448275862


This is what makes this asshole so bad, he validates Republican propaganda.

[Cha]

53. Low Information Voters buy into

Liberal being a "dirty word" like they've been told.

Have they been in dungeon the last 8 years to see how the "conservatives" wiped out our Blood and Treasure?

Liberal is good because it means being generous when it counts and conserving our Environment, Blood, and Treasure.

[Zodiak]

57. That is true and unfortunate

And I would be happy if Obama truly was the most liberal senator, but he is not.

But it is a Democrat using Republican talking points with no basis in fact as justification for not endorsing Obama that gets my goat here.

[Cha]

58. It doesn't say much for their

ability to think on their own..and we have people like this in our Congress.

[Alter Ego]

44. Sounds like another Republican masquerading as a Democrat.

The "most liberal senator" line is a dead giveaway.

[rateyes]

45. I've got a chicken shit DINO Rep. named Marshall who wrote me

a letter telling me the same thing---except that the Dems in this district went overwhelmingly for Obama.

It's called cowardice.

I hate Republicans. And, I hate Republicans who call themselves Democrats.

[Max_powers94]

46. This is skicking...I bet there is some racism embedded in this.

:(

[ladjf]

52. He would if the demographics of his state included a large

African American population or he wouldn't be re-elected.

[helderheid]

54. As said in Meet the Fockers,

Asssssssss

Hooooooooole.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OXRBELZpKak

[loyalsister]

56. I don't see this as unfair

He made a non-confrontational statement. And it sounds like he has "done the math" with regard to his constituents.
I suspect he wants to make sure that those voters are on his side in the general. As a matter of fact, I hope they are as well.
I think that it is reasonable to not publicly endorse in order to please constituents as long as he will vote as a dem. It's not like he is going against constituents ala Liebermann and and acting like and voting with Republicans.

[FredScuttle]

59. what about the "most liberal senator" canard?

n/t

[loyalsister]

60. You're right that was unnecessary

But, it has become pretty meaningless due to overuse, wouldn't you say?

[FredScuttle]

61. Why use it then?

We can be certain the GOP and their media lapdogs will spit it out ad nauseum because they get their marching orders from the RNC, but why should a Democrat, any Democrat, use a framing reference as ridiculous and divisive as that?

[loyalsister]

62. Who knows?

There is a possibility that he knew that it would give him credibility.
It is not impossible that Obama did not know about it ahead of time. Politics is weird.
Maybe I'm irrational, but I just see no reason to get up in arms about something that has little to do with me as I am outside his districs and state. Actually, maybe my opinion is moot altogether. I just think the guy will keep his seat and we should move on.

[FredScuttle]

69. It's important because we need his constituents

Obama is mounting a 50-state strategy and nothing will be conceded to the GOP. It's high time for "Democrats" like this one recognize their party needs them to buck up and support the nominee and not pander to stereotypes and right-wing framing.

If this idiot is looking to shore up his bonafides with conservatives, let him join the the Republican party and see where that gets him in the next Congress. He can share the Anteroom of Shame with Joementum.

[loyalsister]

76. complain and ostracize him all you want

The point is that he get elected. The 50 state strategy also means making sure all 50 are represented by Democrats in congress.
They are not likely to be our favorite kind of Democrats all of the time.
We have to live with the differences because we live in a diverse country. All of the citizens are going to be represented in congress. Not all of congress is going to be as likable as we would hope.
It helps to be realistic about it.

[FredScuttle]

77. Party unity is a two-way street, my friend

I fully understand and respect that there are Democrats like Boren who are a lot more conservative than I would prefer...but I belong to a big-tent party and I live with the differences because it broadens our party's outreach efforts.

However, if he's going to pontificate on "values," "liberals" and other such RW framing, what kind of loyalty do I owe him? Do I hold press conferences complaining about "Oklahoma" values? I have had it with these Blue Dog Democrats who feel the need to bash "coastal elites" as if we were some foreign population threatening the sanctity of the heartland. Fuck that noise.

Conservative Democrats like Boren spend a lot of time whingeing about how other Democrats should respect them....well, they have to understand that there are Democrats like me (and Independents) who don't appreciate being marginalized just to score a cheap political point.

[Owl]

65. Yes, that is the statement that questions his authenticity.

[Hippo_Tron]

75. If that's the way he feels he should skip the Democratic National Convention altogether

I get it that the people in Boren's district don't want anything to do with the national Democratic Party and I'm fine with that. There are a few members of Congress that are like that in that they are basically good for nothing more than numbers in the House and votes on some issues.

But his statement was so fucking wishy-washy that it's unbelievable. He's voting for Obama at the convention and in the GE.

[Carrieyazel]

63. According to Jake Tapper, there are some more yet to come who won't endorse

[FredScuttle]

70. Let them come out and let history judge them accordingly

"Independent Democrat" Joe Lieberman is lonely and will need company in Congressional Siberia after November.

[JerseygirlCT]

66. Most liberal senator?

Right.

After a dozen or so others, at the least...

[mac2]

73. He's not that liberal if he wants globalization and Faith Based

Funding. He won't investigate 911 or impeach Bush. As a liberal I'm shocked at his politics.

[NorthAmerican]

68. What a loser. Who needs an endorsement from someone like that? n/t

[mac2]

72. It would be such a problem if Dean,etc. had waited to

let the delegates vote at the DNC convention. Then they could have voted as their constituents wanted. This way anyone not doing the Obama thing is determined to be a bigot. What about Obama's politics? Some people just don't like him or what he plans for America.

[Hippo_Tron]

74. Wait, wait, let me get this straight...

He's supporting him at the convention, he's voting for him in the General Election, and he admits that it's historical that he party has nominated an African American. BUT he's not endorsing him.

That's got to be the most fucking wishy-washy thing I've ever seen. If Boren wants to pander to his narrow-minded constituents he should just skip the Democratic National Convention all together and say that he has the right to a secret ballot and isn't telling anybody who he plans to vote for in November.