Obama leaks list of 20 possible VPs

[kpete]

Obama leaks list of 20 possible VPs
by Triple Sow Cow
Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:39:29 AM PDT
Ben Smith has the story via First Read and CNN. The list includes:

Hillary Clinton
John Kerry
John Edwards
Evan Bayh
Kathleen Sebelius
Ted Strickland
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
Bill Nelson
Jack Reed
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Tom Daschle
Sam Nunn


more namees at:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/20_names.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/10/1127710.aspx
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/10/14342/8506/465/533454

[Hope And Change]

1. Mark Warner would be a great choice.

[WeDidIt]

66. He'd be a TERRIBLE choice

because we need him to pick up that Senate seat, damnit!

[Thrill]

2. If their polling shows Nunn helping win GA and NC. He's going to be the guy

But I like Warner or Kaine. No one else up there gets me excited

[Skwmom]

20. Isn't Nunn on the GE board of directors? Give me a break.

GE, the corporate media owner, who called reporters on the carpet for not attacking Gore enough.

Wow, we'd really be turning the page. How many decades ago was he in politics?

[roguevalley]

47. nunn is a redneck dinosaur if memory serves me. no old bastard

who is to the right of genghis khan.

[Gore1FL]

61. I can't see Nunn

He is counter Obama.

[tabatha]

3. Obama does not leak.

[KittyWampus]

36. this is from pols on Capitol Hill talking to the press. It is NOT from Obama.

[tritsofme]

65. Get real.

Every campaign leaks information favorable to their campaign to the press.

Even if this wasn't a genuine leak, leaks happen in every campaign.

Obama is no different.

[thewiseguy]

4. Bullshit list just to create some talking point

[BklynChick]

8. that's what I think too--there is nothing surprising or interesting in this list and we know that

Obama is going to surprise us with his short list and final decision. I don't believe a word of this.

[rocktivity]

18. DING DING DING! Wiseguy, you're our grand prize winner!

Bullshit list just to create some talking point...

...Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota...said Obama’s team wanted his impressions about the people on the list, including the respect they command and their “standing with their colleagues.” He termed their discussion “wide-ranging.”

Well, if the Senator not only felt comfortable not only to talking to CNN but with using his name, IS it really a leak? Maybe Hillary put him up to it--he's listed as http://progressiveindependent.com/shalom/activism/dlcpods2.htm">a DLC member!

:crazy:
rocknation

[Drunken Irishman]

62. Kent Conrad was a big supporter of Obama.

[Eurobabe]

41. this is another empty plane n/t

[City Lights]

45. Yup. Looks like our beloved mediawhores are bored already.

Fuck 'em.

[babylonsister]

5. Hmmm. I thought Obama wasn't talking. And Jack Reed is a happy

surprise to me. Kerry's just a surprise. And no Generals or Admirals, or ... Could this be a distraction? I'm distracted! ;)

[Cant trust em]

6. This list doesn't tell us a whole lot.

Aren't most of these names one's we've been tossing around here for weeks?

[spinbaby]

7. Interesting

Who are the other five?

[gkhouston]

9. wasn't there some video from last week where Obama said anything

we saw in the press, including leaks, shouldn't be taken seriously? That we would know when he made the actual announcement? :shrug:

[ellacott]

21. Yes, he said that n/t

[blogslut]

10. Ben Smith?

Have I mentioned how I don't trust that man? I think I have.

[AtomicKitten]

11. And the guessing games begin ...

:D

[FSogol]

12. C'mon. DU came up with the same list last week.

Those are obvious choices and not a leak.

[newmajority]

13. Looks more like the WhoreMedia's "leaked" list to me

Triple Sow Cow? Is that a figure skating reference, or did Candy Crowley leak this "list"??

And anyone who doesn't think Richardson is on the real list is only deluding themselves.

[Skwmom]

14. The majority of these are TERRIBLE.

Nothing like putting a typical politician on a change ticket:

Clinton
Bayh
Strickland
Nelson
Dodd
Biden
Daschle
Nunn.

Where is Schweitzer? How could he not even be considered? I hope this is not true.

[sandnsea]

23. There are 5 names not listed

Dodd and Biden are hardly typical politicians. Clinton, Nelson, Bayh and Nunn are really the only TERRIBLE choices on the list.

[DevonRex]

75. Yes! The ones not on it are more important, I'd say.

[sandnsea]

85. I think so too

Richardson, Schweitzer, Clark, Napolitano, Roemer. Unless they're the other 5.

[DevonRex]

88. I think you have at least 4 of the missing 5 right. I'm not sure about

Roemer. I had heard Ritter from Colorado as a possibility, though.

[sandnsea]

93. I'd heard that too

I had just heard a blip about Romer, I guess it's without an e. But I just looked him up online and he had a sexual relationship with an employee so I think that leaves him out anyway.

[Clark2008]

37. Edwards is also a typical politician.

I know you don't like believing that, but he is.

[PoliticalAmazon]

15. I'm uninspired. n/t

[Writer]

16. There are only two women on that list.

[mystieus]

27. And one of them will be VP. I'll let you guess which one...

[Writer]

28. The attractive "feminine" one who scrapbooks?

;)

[Benhurst]

17. The Politics of "Change" and Sam Nunn?

:eyes:

:rofl:

[ErinBerin84]

19. there are some real snoozers on that list

No surprises. Yet, includes some of my least favorites.

[asthmaticeog]

22. KUCINICH ISN'T ON THE LIST?

THEN I WON'T VOTE FOR HIM! WHAT, HE DOESN'T THINK HE NEEDS TO SATISFY THE LOSING CANDIDATES' SUPPORTERS? HE HAS TO EARN OUR VOTES!!! :grr:





















































See how fucking stupid that sounds, Hillary holdouts?

[Drunken Irishman]

63. You almost got me. :)

[Hawaii Hiker]

24. For me, I like Clinton, Warner, Strickland

Clinton had a large voting block that strongly supports her (women, blue collar Democrats, hispanics, etc.) Warner likely turns Virgina blue, & Strickland turns Ohio blue...

Chris Dodd, Sam Nunn? - W----H----Y???? (neither delivers any state or helps w/a voting block)

In 2000, Liebermann was running for the Connecticut Senate seat while on the ticket w/Gore, so Mark Warner could run for the VA. senate seat...And hoping & assuming Obama wins, the VA. governor would appoint a successor, & I think there would be a special election in 2010..Any VA. residents confirm that?...I don't think Warner's replacement would be able to serve the entire 6 years....

[PresidentObama]

25. Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and Warner are great choices.

[musicblind]

81. I'll agree with that :)

[Adelante]

26. I doubt Obama leaked any list nt

[wyldwolf]

29. that looks just like the list I came up with!

[rucky]

34. You're the leaker of your own list.

crazy.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. *scratch*scratch*

Hillary Clinton
John Kerry
John Edwards
Evan Bayh
Kathleen Sebelius
Ted Strickland
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
Bill Nelson
Jack Reed
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Tom Daschle
Sam Nunn

[Clark2008]

31. Well that list mostly sucks

[fadedrose]

32. Obama should trust Dean for his advice.......not us ......

[AndyA]

33. Obama himself said that unless it came directly from HIM, it wasn't legit.

I trust this didn't come from Sen. Obama, so it isn't legit.

[babylonsister]

35. And then there's this: Obama Team Considers Former Military Leaders

Are we being punked? :rofl:




Obama veep vetting team looks at retired military

Senator says former military leaders being considered for Obama's running mate

NEDRA PICKLER and MARY CLARE JALONICK
AP News

Jun 10, 2008 12:00 EST

snip//

The vetters have been holding meetings with several Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill to get their input. Conrad met with Holder and Johnson.

"I sensed from this meeting that they are still very much building the list and at the same time evaluating possibilities," Conrad said. "It's very clear they have reached no conclusions, not even tentative conclusions."

Many former military leaders have been involved in the 2008 Democratic presidential campaign. Some of Obama's most prominent campaign advisers have been Gen. Tony McPeak, who was Air Force chief of staff during Operation Desert Storm; Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, who flew repeated combat missions and has worked with Obama on a range of military issues since before he began his presidential campaign; and Richard Danzig, who was secretary of the Navy under President Clinton.

He might also look at some of former rival Hillary Rodham Clinton's top military advisers in a gesture of unity, retired generals who include Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; or Wesley Clark, who led the war in Kosovo and ran in the presidential primary four years ago. Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, who served as Navy secretary under President Reagan, has also been frequently mentioned as a possible running mate.

:D

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/06/obama_veep_vetting_team_looks.php

[Clark2008]

38. Hugh Shelton can suck it.

Obama should say no to that traitor (of course, all this is speculation).

[Eurobabe]

40. roger that

[newmajority]

43. That's a little different than the way AP radio news reported it.

They quoted Conrad as saying that Team Obama was looking at three categories: Current elected officials, former elected officials, and former military officials, with no names mentioned.

Now, of course, that leaves the list wide open. "Former military official" could be Wes Clark, or Tony Zinni, or McPeak, or a dozen others.

Vice President Danzig? Well that presents a different mental picture altogether....... :evilgrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kRtTtpG8Ls

[PassingFair]

39. Anyone else think that Bob Graham should be on this list?

He could do wonders for us in Florida....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Graham

[babylonsister]

44. What I know of him I like. So many choices; that's a good thing! nt

[QueenOfCalifornia]

42. Sam Nunn?

Why not have a country western star too? Maybe Dolly Parton?

Sam Nunn: He is a board member of the following publicly held corporations: Chevron Corporation, The Coca-Cola Company, Dell Computer Corporation, General Electric Company.

[newmajority]

51. At least Dolly Parton has er...."assets" that would attract the "white working class" redneck voters

And she's not a homophobe like Sam Nunn......

Dolly on gay marriage - “gay people should have the right to be as miserable as married straight people are.”

[QueenOfCalifornia]

69. Yep

I love Dolly. She is very matter of fact. She is amazingly pretty too.... I mean the woman is old.... well she is 61... Here she is in 2005:

[musicblind]

84. I think Dolly is great lol

and I'm a raving liberal

[Blue_Tires]

46. i'd rather we have one of our own as veep -- Wetzelbill

[SoCalDem]

48. I'm still hoping for Janet Napolitano

not necessarily ranked in order of importance

1) female
2) smart
3) no pesky husband
4) on the top 5 Governor's list
5) we win Arizona
6) she'd only be 58 after two terms, and poised to run for president
7) she's won BIG with "clean money" campaigning

[babylonsister]

49. "no pesky husband"

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[Bensthename]

50. No Wes Clark?

And I just read an article saying military experience was on the top of his list of attributes for a candidate..

[Greyskye]

52. Bull Pucky

Pure, 100% bull pucky.

They're just making crap up now. :eyes:

[L. Coyote]

59. Horses have pucky, bulls have BS.

You might want to consult the urban dictionary!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullpucky

[Greyskye]

90. bull pucky

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullpucky
1. bullpucky
A polite way to dismiss or reject something without having to say bullshit. Typically used by parents, teachers, adventurous clergy, and youth guidance counselors.

I call bullpucky on you and your horse.

[L. Coyote]

94. Read #2

[Greyskye]

96. Look at the ratings

Definition #1: 27 up, 3 down
Definition #2: 2 up, 46 down

I rest my case.

[nebula]

53. I like Warner or Kaine

never heard of Reed.

[Jane Austin]

54. Bill Nelson?

That must be a bogus list if that asshat is on it.

He is whatever the opposite of charisma is.

[Inuca]

55. Notice a couple of things

Conrad (the only one named as having spoken to the press) made a non-statement statement.

Senator Kent Conrad tells CNN Obama's vetters discussed 20 names, including some that are “outside the box.”

He said some are “top officials now,” others are “former lawmakers” and others are “former top military leaders.”

20 names? Thank you, very informational, a not very short short list.

SOme are outside the box - what a suprise! Everybody expected only the most conventional candidates to be considered, and now we know that's not the case.

As to the three categories, that kind of covers almost everybody i the realm of possibility, doesn't it? Maybe the "former top military leaders" part is a tiny, tiny bit of actual information, but with all the talk of how O needs national security back-up and Clark's name being mentioned all over the place, I doub that too many people were surprised to hear it.

My point is that Conrad said absolutely NOTHING, which is exactly what he had to do.

The list of names... I don't know, there is no info whatsoever as to where it comes from. I have no idea how this works, but I think it is a safe assumption to think that if names were mentioned (and they probably were), they were only mentioned to the congress people themselves, and not to their staffers, and I just cannot see Pelosi or Reid ro Durbin or whoever might have been in the talks, shooting their mouths to the press.

My conclusion: have fun with the speculations, but remember what Obama said the other day about the VP choice, and take all "leaks" with a mountain of salt.

[HeraldSquare212]

56. Please, not Nunn. He was too much of a collaborator with Reagan, to my memory.

And Id on't think picking someone who's been around forever helps the change platform. Nunn is the quintessential Washington insider.

[nebula]

57. and Nunn makes McCain look like the fountain of youth

[L. Coyote]

58. Gov. Bill Richardson??

Sen. Dorgan?

[rurallib]

64. nooooo kidding.

[L. Coyote]

95. The likely choice is Bill Richardson, for lots of great reasons.

[NYDem Observer]

60. No Richardson and Clark?

[rocktivity]

72. That alone makes me think the story is a red herring.

:headbang:
rocknation

[high density]

67. Leak my ass

Anybody with half an interest in Democratic politics could've made that list.

[CakeGrrl]

68. Big ol' red herring...

This just gives the press some red meat to chew while the vetting team is making their REAL choice. Obama himself said that the next thing we'd hear from him on the issue is the name of the person they've selected.

[ObamaKerryDem]

70. Kerry made the list?

The media is going to go nuts with that one! :rofl: LOL. I personally wouldn't mind it, though!

[sandnsea]

86. If Kerry hadn't endorsed after NH

Obama wouldn't be here today.

[my3boyz]

71. I'm surprised Richardson is not on the list....I have heard there were vetting problems with him nt

[Zuiderelle]

73. Ok, I'm going to say it. If Sam Nunn moves to the top, I will have a hard time voting for Obama.

[DevonRex]

74. None of the lists add up to 20. So I'm betting that who is NOT on it

is much more important than who IS on it.

[slinkerwink]

76. we can cross Governor Bobblehead off that list

[Zynx]

80. ?

[Blue-Jay]

99. Strickland.

[4_Legs_Good]

77. I'm glad to see Warner and Nunn on the list

Warner because I think he's the best choice, and Nunn because Carter keeps hinting at him!

David

[mvd]

78. I hope the actual list is better

IMO, these are good choices:

Clinton
Sebelius
Warner (but the Senate seat might be a problem - if he helps the ticket, the positives outweigh the negatives)
Kaine

these are possible but questionable:

Webb
Biden
Dodd
Strickland

think these should be out:

Kerry
Edwards (better as Presidential candidate)
Nelson

think these are outright clunkers:

Nunn
Daschle
Bayh

Don't know about:

Reed

[DevonRex]

89. See post #85 above. The ones that aren't on the list are more

likely to be the ones being considered, IMHO.

[mvd]

92. Good - like the names there

:hi:

[DevonRex]

100. Yep, me too. And since the Obama campaign does NOT leak,

I'm guessing this is more of a way to know who is not really in the running than anything. Especially since Edwards and Strickland have already said no emphatically.

I think Edwards would do it if he really thought the dems couldn't win without him, though.

[Phoonzang]

79. Where the fuck is Schweitzer?

I hope this list is incomplete.

(edited to add "fuck")

[Catherina]

82. Sounds more like the DLC leaks their list. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

83. Where's Patty Murray

And John Edwards has ruled out VP.

[musicblind]

87. eh. A lot of people say they wouldn't want to be VP

I don't think it really means anything. He'd make a good VP though if Obama felt he was helpful and talked him into it.

[Hugabear]

91. Anybody can read a bunch of blogs, then slap together a list of "possible VP choices"

Are any of those names really a surprise to anyone?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

97. Why is Edwards on the list?

Hasn't he made it clear that he's not interested?

[cboy4]

98. Oh no, not Tom Daschle...nice guy, but he's so timid and

gets nothing accomplished.

I know who I want. The candidate I voted for!!11!




on edit....... I am beyond thrilled to not see Richardson on the list. Beyond thrilled.