Thoughts From a Hillary Supporter Who Might Go for McCain

[KamaAina]

We're gonna need to turn this around in a hurry, folks... :scared: :scared: :scared:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/archive/2008/06/10/thoughts-from-a-hillary-supporter-who-might-go-for-mccain.aspx

Just received this e-mail from a friend, a Washington lawyer who is a lifelong Democrat and a generous donor to the party. She supported Hillary in the primary and is undecided about what she'll do in November:

I just read your XX column, and I wanted to share a couple thoughts. Even though Hillary characterized her campaign as a big feminist movement in her exit speech, I'm not sure all her supporters saw it that way. I also think the risk of defection to McCain is very real, and not limited to uneducated, working class types. Just in my office, I know 6-7 women, all lifelong Democrats from VA who are now planning to vote for McCain. They are all highly educated people who follow politics closely, and a couple even worked for Dems on the Hill at one point or another. The decision to defect to McCain has nothing to do with Hillary as a woman or Obama's personality. They like Obama enough as a person, but they think he's an empty suit—rhetoric with little record behind it. Even if they agree more with Obama's positions, it seems risky to put such an inexperienced person in the White House—especially after what happened last time. I think the media misses this. It is not all about feminism.

Having said that, I know there is a bit of truth to the feminist argument. I also know a strong, pro-choice Democrat from Maryland—someone who regularly hosts NARAL dinners—who is defecting to McCain, even though she understands his views on abortion. I doubt if this woman ever even voted for any Republican before in her whole life, and she just contributed to McCain's campaign. Truly amazing! I think Obama will have a real problem in the Electoral College if he does not find a way to reach out to the people who voted against him—for whatever reason. For now, I'm undecided and I'm planning on staying that way for a while. My big issue is the economy and both Obama and McCain are weak in that area, so it probably doesn't matter much.

I answered her that the experience issue doesn't resonate with me, especially as Cheney and Rummy had been around since the last ice age, and where did that get us? Hillary has been in the Senate only four years longer than Obama: big whoop. If you count his time in the Illinois Senate, he's actually had more experience as an elected official. (And while of course her experience as first lady counts for something, would we give Laura Bush full credit for those years—even though, as she belatedly tells us, she, too, had a big policy role all along?) The whole experience question just feels like a stand-in for race, or maybe something else I'm missing. Because when someone says they would slit their wrist before voting for Obama, that is NOT about Clinton having been in the Senate longer.

We must have these people back, and yesterday. Simply waiting for McSatan to open his mouth clearly isn't gonna do it. If we don't get them back, well, I'll see you in Iraq in 100 years -- if we don't invade Iran and spark World War III, that is.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. I wonder what McCain's rating is from NARAL....talk about sore losers.

[question everything]

21. Calling them "sore losers" will not win the elections

It is clear that it is going to be a close race. I think that the writer expressed genuine concerns and the way to win over these women is to show that even if Obama is an "empty suit" he is better than McCain.

[frylock]

55. being held hostage by spiteful assholes is not an option

[Hieronymus]

82. You bet, and calling Obama an empty suit certainly won't elect him.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

93. When you work on a campaign - you do whatever it takes if you REALLY want to win.

[question everything]

119. And that is the point. Sometimes I think that Obama supporters

at least on DU, do not want to win elections. Winning will require a show of responsibility, of - gasp - compromising, and I think that many DUers would rather continue to whine, to blame others for the loss, to "stick by principles."

I lived in California in the 90s and saw how the Republicans lost all state offices because they chose to "stick by principles" and always selected the most rabid candidates to run in the general elections. (Arnold is a separate item.)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

103. Kissing their ass isn't either.

And I find your use of the term "empty suit" in your post, as if to suggest there is truth to that claim, to be ludicrous.

[question everything]

118. "empty suit" appeared in the OP

Some day, when you grow up and learn how to communicate with opposing sides, you'll learn that you should use the same phrases, or paraphrase what the other side uses.

[krawhitham]

112. Sorry the truth hurts

I HATE Hillary but I would have voted for her in a heart beat in the GE. That is what Democrats do

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. "lifelong democrat"

You can stop reading there.

[geek tragedy]

3. We're going to lose a few random idiots. It happens every election.

The key is getting new voters, winning over independents, and to some extent helping McCain's base stay demoralized.

It's a mix of racists and sore loser whiny babies.

The vast majority of Clinton backers won't betray Clinton's cause by voting for Bush's third term.

[WeDidIt]

4. Blog entires like that are CONCERN Trolling

nothing more.

Polling demonstrates there is currently almost zero defection rate from women supporters of Hillary.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

51. Yes, and we all know how accurate the polling has been in this election cycle.

It's completely legitimate to argue whether these people will be enough to sway the election, but to deny that they exist and call everyone who mentions them a troll is simply burying your head in the sand. Personally, I don't think it will matter. I think the combination of the Paultards and Republican crossovers will nullify any gains McCain makes with disgruntled Hillary supporters, but they ARE out there.

[WeDidIt]

76. It's just divisive crap

Less than one day and it ends here.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

81. Yup.

That'll magically make these people disappear.

[WeDidIt]

84. These people DO NOT EXIST

They are Republicans attempting to sew division within the Democratic Party.

The memo from the McCain campaign has been up on wikileaks for over two weeks.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

89. Yes, they do.

Do you seriously think every person talking about this is making it up? Do you seriously think every Democratic primary voter who answered in the exit polling that they'd vote for McCain if Hillary didn't win was a liar?

So fine. Pretend it doesn't exist. Pretend we're all liars. I'd rather not have the fucking hours long conversations with this person I know who is adamant that she is going to do this goddamn stupid thing and vote for McCain. Just pretend she doesn't exist. That's the ticket. And ban me as a troll for mentioning it.

[WeDidIt]

92. I sincerely believe EVERY person talking this crap are REPUBLICANS

First and foremost and are doing everything they can to secure the election for McCain.

I sincerely do not believe a single one of them is a Democrat.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

95. Then there's no point in arguing with you because you're completely divorced from reality. n/t

[paulk]

109. I agree with you and I hope to god

that the Obama campaign and the Democratic leadership are not as "divorced from reality" as many of his supporters seem to be...

8% of registered Democrats voted for Bush over Kerry - right now that number is running at 12%, according to the most recent polling I've seen. Obama is surely going to bring some new voters to the polls to offset this, but to ignore it, like so many is this thread are doing, is not a good sign.

This election - especially when you look at the electoral college matchups, looks to be close. We can't afford to be dismissive og these folks.

[roseBudd]

114. They do exist, they are not interested in Obama because they are Hillary fans, not voters, they are

so heavily invested in the adoration of their love object that they are looking to 2012. They need a McCain win for that to become a reality.

I read 3 days of blog posts on Hillary's official blog. I saw nothing but fandom.

[DangerousRhythm]

120. Fandom = interesting choice of words.

I saw one on the nutty forum who actually has a romantic hammock picture of Bill and Hillary with their faces nearly touching and calls him/herself, right under that picture, a Bill and Hillary SHIPPER. As if voting should be entwined with your fantasy of the candidate's relationship?

:freak:

[roseBudd]

123. They are in love with Hillary, I have never felt any fan feelings about anyone, so I really don't

get it. I know it exists. I have seen women who scream, guys who think they are in love with a stripper, people who write letters to celebrities, or collect items related to being a fan.

But to worship someone who happens to be running for POTUS gives me the creeps. Fandom cannot be democracy, it's more like monarchy.

[EFerrari]

5. Relax. They're coming back just fine.

Obama is out polling McWar among women -- he's already topped Kerry's 2004 polls in that group.

This is a totally hyped problem. :crazy:

[Forkboy]

6. "Highly educated" idiots.

[eissa]

7. How do you win over stupid people?

I honestly don't get it. We all have our favorites in the primaries. We all feel bad when our choice doesn't make it. Then we do what we always do -- we suck it up and get behind the nominee. To go to such an extreme as to vote for the other party's candidate, especially one as bad as McSame, really gets me to question the mental capacity of such people.

[question everything]

18. By not calling them "stupid" for one thing

by respecting from where they are coming from and proving them that, even if Obama is an "empty suit" he is till better than McCain.

[eissa]

24. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are.........

it's a stupid duck.

[newmajority]

8. More DLC bullshit spam and spin

The author of this bullshit piece, Melinda Henneberger is on record as encouraging Hillary to use RACISM to campaign in Texas.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/02/18/scribe_suggests_clinton_might.html

[KamaAina]

32. How ironic that she'd come up with this

The whole experience question just feels like a stand-in for race, or maybe something else I'm missing. Because when someone says they would slit their wrist before voting for Obama, that is NOT about Clinton having been in the Senate longer.

Thank you for that. I'll be reading any future Henneberger with a big ol' grain of salt.

[yardwork]

9. I don't believe a word of this - it stinks of Republican tactics.

I don't know a single woman who supports McCain.

[book_worm]

12. I agree.

[BonnieJW]

17. Agreed.

I think the "Democratic" women who say they are voting for McBoob are repub plants. NO DEM will vote for that idiot when they get in the booth.

[papapi]

29. agree

[papapi]

34. Scare tactics. I'm not rattled. Sorry to deflate your balloon.

[wyldwolf]

10. Obama's VP choice is being carefully considered because of this

[yardwork]

13. I hope that Obama is not being distracted or influenced by this crap.

It's straight from the KKKarl Rove playbook. These are Republicans.

[JuniperLea]

26. Yep!

They must be trying to make him waste his time.

[book_worm]

11. there is something wrong with somebody who is pro-choice and understands what McCain will mean

who will still vote for him in November. Life long Dem my foot.

[yardwork]

14. That's because these people don't exist. It's made up.

[jsmirman]

63. I think you may be right

:hide:

[question everything]

15. Give it time

Once Obama travels the country with Hillary, once Obams starts debating McCain, Once Obama presents his sunning mate (no, not Hillary), and once the people who supported Hillary are no longer referred to, on DU, for example, as Hillbots, kool-aid, etc., many will come around.

Yes, Obama is inexperienced as Bush was, but once he shows his team that will not be Cheney and Rumsfeld - the picture will be clearer, one hopes.

As Skinner said, let the Hillary supporters vent here for a week. But, nooo.... every post here that stands by Hillary or challenges Obaama is immediately being treated as "troll" and "pizza" (whatever that means).

Give it time. Hillary called on her supporters to stand by Obama, to not look back and if she continues to campaign on his behalf, most will come around.

[LisaM]

35. I don't like the term "come around"

it implies something kind of distasteful. Come around to WHAT? If he's that good, why do people need to come around to him?

I'm going to vote for him (Obama) but I don't think I'll ever be able to drum up any enthusiasm for him.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

56. No more distasteful than not liking him for no reason.

I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that makes Obama so objectionable to some people, particularly some Hillary supporters.

[LisaM]

71. But do people need to provide "evidence" for not loving someone?

I really wrestle with this, believe it or not. In my case, I simply don't find anything that engages me. I feel a strong vague dilike for McCain, too (not that I am comparing them on any other level) and I had a visceral hatred of Bush and Cheney. I very much liked, for equally nebulous reasons, both Gore and Kerry's personae. I think one aspect of it, that I obviously can't provide a link to, is that I wonder if I were in the room with any of these people, would they notice or care about me? Obama seems like the cool kid, the jock. Kerry seemed like an intellectual genuinely intereseted in hearing everything someone has to say, capable of engaging in a long, one-on-one discussion (Gore seemed this way, too), whereas Obama seems more like the person who shakes your hand, smiles at you, then moves on. Does that make sense? I've never really trusted the cool kid. Luckily, Obama is okay on the issues, which is good if I am going to trust him with my vote, but I don't think I'll ever be won over to his personality.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

74. You're kidding, right?

There have been many articles posted here mentioning how he listens to many people, including those with opposing views.

I tried a search, but couldn't find this recently posted picture of Hillary and Obama talking -- her saying something and him bending down to her level (large height difference) to hear better.

It was posted within the last week or so, possibly from the AIPAC meeting, if you know the one I'm talking about.

[LisaM]

86. I'm not talking about listening to other views at all.

I mean someone who would want to sit down and have a really long conversation (obviously as a practical matter no candidate can do this) just for the hell of it. I just don't see him that way.

You reminded me of another likeable thing about Hillary! She's my height. If she were president, maybe we'd finally get some short people rights! (Like making tall people sit in the back at expensive plays when you've paid freakin' $90 for a ticket and some six-footer plants himself right in front of you.......or improve logistics at rallies for Bill Clinton and Howard Dean that I attended and never once caught an actual glimpse of the candidate, just the back of someone in front of me.....!)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

97. But you already said you didn't have evidence of this aspect of him.

So you can't really say whether or not he'd be the sit-down-and-chat type, right? ;)

[LisaM]

98. Nope, no evidence.

It's been difficult for me to put my finger on what it is about him that worries me.

[zulchzulu]

16. Any woman who is a Democrat voting for McCain is an utter fool

As for these people thinking they will vote for McCain and the one who hosts NARAL "dinners", it is beyond comprehension that they would vote for someone with a 0% rating with NARAL, Planned Parenthood, etc.

They are Republicans. They can piss off.

Maybe they can have bloody hanger "dinners" soon... :puke:

[TexasObserver]

19. I don't believe that column for a minute.

We will see these things pop up, but that doesn't mean they are legit.

More of the "well I have a friend who says ...."

If there are really educated, thoughtful, elderly Democratic women who want to vote for McCain, let them. You can't save someone from herself. If they want to drive over that ledge, if abortion is no longer a concern because they're well beyond child bearing years, that's their choice.

[SeaLyons]

20. The DNC news conference today would suggest

that this post has tremendous merit and concern.

[EFerrari]

38. And the polls all say otherwise. n/t

[helderheid]

22. I guess she hates women's rights and loves war.

:shrug:

[JuniperLea]

23. Don't fall for the Republican bullshit

This stuff is getting more and more telling. They are trying to create a divide any place they can find a little gap.

I don't believe a word of this. Just more elephant dung.

[Zenmaster]

25. We should urge these people to speak with McCain supporters.

As Obama supporters, there is no need for us to pander, or cater, to any group.

I believe Hillary supporters, and everyone, has a right to make up their own minds.

I think the correct course of action is to urge them to actually interact with McCain supporters and migrate to McCain websites and GOP message boards.

I expect, if they actually spend the time on GOP discussion points, many of them will come to their senses and realize that their views are far out of line with McCain's.

On the flipside, if McCain or some of his supporters start pandering to their views during this interaction its only going to turn off the conservatives even futher away from McCain.

Don't cater to the whims of distrungtled people. Let them go to McCain and truly see what they want to support.

[Rob H.]

27. "They are all highly educated people who follow politics closely..."

What a load of bullshit--if that were true they wouldn't even consider giving anti-choice, anti-woman McCain their votes.

[Bleacher Creature]

28. This reeks of BS. McCain's experience is the very reason NOT to vote for him.

He has experience being completely and consistently WRONG. Over and over and over again.

This crap didn't work in the primaries, and it won't work here. I'm sorry, "educated" people don't fall for this crap.

[HeraldSquare212]

30. I call BS, too.

I'm sure some people would support McCain, but with the profiles given it seems at best far-fetched.

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. This is just another version of "Operation Chaos". When are we gonna

stop reacting to every little tantrum, and/or cry for attention? Hillary's supporters will come along. Some of them were probably leaning Obama anyway, and the rest will soon follow. The ones who don't, never had intentions of supporting the Democrat anyway.

[still_one]

33. I respectfully disagree with you in regard, "We must have these people back"

The issues in the elections have never been clearer, and the differences between Obama and mccain have never been greater

If they seriously believe that gender rights will be better under mccain verses Obama, they have lost all their sensibilities, and because of that, they should go over to the republican party, because that is the party that started a war based on lies, have been appointing federalist society judges who believe in the overturning of Roe V Wade, gender rights, and civil rights. It is the party that has deregulated the energy market which resulted in the phil graham enron loophole, both of which bush and mccain support

If they have no understanding of the differences between Obama and mccain regarding the issues of healthcare, medicare, social security, and jobs, then they are right where they belong

You indicate they are highly educated people. They can have all the education in the world and still lack intelligence

[KamaAina]

36. But if enough of them do go over, we're sunk

and we're stuck with 4-8 more years of "a war based on lies, have been appointing federalist society judges who believe in the overturning of Roe V Wade, gender rights, and civil rights. It is the party that has deregulated the energy market which resulted in the phil graham enron loophole,"

We're already approaching the breaking point. Can we survive that?

[still_one]

42. First of all I don't believe that will happen, but if it does, then we deserve

exactly what we get

If people were so damn stupid to vote bush in twice, and the results of that disaster still haven't convienced them, then it is too late already

However, the young and independents are NOT so dogmatic, and that is why we will win

[Starbucks Anarchist]

37. Fuck them, they're idiots.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

39. If they look at McCain's record on women's issues

and still say they are feminists and are voting for him, they are insane.

[sufrommich]

40. Gosh,if you read it on the internet,it must be true!

I'm sure the fact that all these democratic sites are being flooded with "eye witness" stories about those evil Clinton supporters jumping ship is just a coincidence.:eyes:

[demokatgurrl]

41. There is truly something wrong with people who take their

anger out on THEMSELVES. There is probably no hope for them.

[OilemFirchen]

43. Err...

She sez:

Because when someone says they would slit their wrist before voting for Obama...

having just acknowledged:

For now, I'm undecided and I'm planning on staying that way for a while.

And this person obtains credibility how, exactly?

[KamaAina]

49. She doesn't really need any

And this person obtains credibility how, exactly?

unless this is all made up -- or planted :tinfoilhat: -- it indicates potential weakness among a crucial Dem voting bloc, to wit, pro-choice women. It's gonna take every Dem vote we can muster to counteract the inevitable swiftboating, not to mention the elephant in the room (alluded to in the article) -- race.

[Joe Chi Minh]

Amazing how ecstatic a mutual admiration society of Hillary supporters were,

yesterday, on a thread here, about what they perceived as Hillary's most cordial and gracious speech, and about the wonderfully gracious manner in which many Obama supporters were letting bygones be bygones.

Well, I'm still trying to fathom how they can be so ecstatic about the graciousness of Obama and allegedly some of his supporters, yet feel no correspondingly extreme distaste for Hillary's very ungracious demeanour towards Obama and his supporters, then or at any time before. She turned up half an hour late, in a black dress (admittedly, one of its most festive shades), and seemingly couldn't bring herself to mention Obama, the presumptive nominee it was supposed to be all about, until 650 words into her speech.

CNN must have been very proud of her. They had a wonderful talking-head discussion about her "gracious" speech and her immense political stature. Not too much about Obama, as I recall. But he had only been designated the presumptive, Democratic presidential nominee, so it's all about due precedence, I suppose.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

44. If Obama was losing in the polls, I'd be concerned, but his numbers

immediately began to rise after Hillary suspended her campaign. There's going to be anywhere between 2% and 5% of these people. I still think it's a very small percentage of people who will never be persuaded. These people will be canceled out by the Republicans and Indies that Obama has attracted. His numbers will vastly outweigh that small percentage of Hillary Zealots who won't be swayed even if Obama painted his skin pink and got a sex change. It ain't gonna happen.

[sniffa]

45. Pardon my French, but fuck her

It's time to move on. If they don't come back, then so be it.

If you love something set it free. If it comes back, it's your. If it doesn't, then let's get them stricken from the voter list.

[Alter Ego]

46. Screw this shit.

If they can't look at McCain and see that he would be an absolute disaster then they deserve whatever they get.

You can't reason with people who refuse to acknowledge facts.

[DefenseLawyer]

47. Horseshit.

No Democrat would ever consider John McCain to be a viable alternative, much less a preferable alternative to our nominee. That is like going to the store to buy pound cake but upon arriving and finding out they only have angel food cake, saying "well damn, I guess if I can't have pound cake I'll eat horseshit" These people are either made up, aren't really "Democrats who follow politics closely" or racists. Period. I tend to think they are made up.

[jsmirman]

73. This may be the funniest post I have read on DU

since I started coming here.

Excellent.

:patriot:

[Catherina]

75. I'm with you n/t

[yardwork]

77. lol!

[bunkerbuster1]

48. Oh, bullshit.

Dozens of posers and phonies are out there trolling the Internets, claiming to have been "lifelong Democrats" who now want to see McStain elected.

Dozens.

To quote Cheney: "So?"

[GarbagemanLB]

50. shit shit shit

[Pathwalker]

52. As ugly as some noses are, it's always better than the alternative.

A face without a nose is a truly freakish sight. Scary - almost as scary as McThuseluh being in charge of this nation.

[smiley_glad_hands]

53. They can go vote mcsame already.

Otherwise, I call BS. Kinda smells like astroturf.

[Lerkfish]

54. "Hi, Rush: lifelong democrat, first time caller"

don't know why this comedy bit occurred to me.

I take the majority of clinton supporters at their word they will vote democratic. the rest are either operation chaos or irretrievable.

[sufrommich]

57. That really is all that needs to be said. Thank you. nt

[Terran]

58. These 'intelligent' women think it's "risky"

to vote for Obama...versus a 100% risk that McCain will create a SCOTUS that will take away their right to choose. I find it hard to believe that there are people that stupid.

[tandot]

59. More BS created by Republicans and the media to create animosity within the Democratic Party

and to divide us.

Just stop regurgitating the BS and it will stop. Even if some Democrats refuse to vote for Obama, there will be more than enough moderate Republicans voting for him to make up for it.

[truebrit71]

60. "lifelong democrat" voting for McCain = idiot

..no two ways about it...

And ANYONE that is pro-choice that "defects" to McCain is clearly fucking brain-dead...

He is pro-life.

This is pure bullshit and will fade away as time goes by...

Anyone stupid enough to vote for McCain because Hilly couldn't win the nomination needs to get the fuck out of this party...

[Raine]

61. What do these people think of Hillary being called a "b*tch"

and McSame laughing about it? I would think long and hard about voting for a man with that kind of attitude toward women. ANYONE who claims to care about women's issues needs to look at McSame's opinion of women.

[KamaAina]

70. Not to mention Mrs. McSame being called a

well, you know, by McSame himself, in public?

It just boggles the mind.

[RainDog]

62. what idiocy

idiocy to vote for McCain who wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent. idiocy to vote for a guy who voted 98% with Bush. idiocy to think that Obama will not surround himself with experienced policy-makers.

Are they familiar with the bill Obama intro'd with Kerry to support veterans and low income education by removing tax breaks for kbr?

Are they aware that Obama has intro'd more legislation into the Senate than Clinton? - that knowledge is really the biggest idiocy of this argument of all. they were okay voting for something with two terms as a spouse, but not based upon a leglislative record?

These females are assholes. I say this as another female who is really sick of any Hillary supporter being posited as the "ur" female democratic vote. bullshit. in my state, the ONLY demographic in which she had a majority was senior citizens. Obama lost by 1%, but he had 87% of the female vote in my state.

If these ppl are so stupid that they cannot see how ridiculous it is to vote for McCain then they deserve all the shit sandwiches they will eat because of him. -- and I can only say, thank you for being such dumb fucks. (oh, that's sarcasm, btw)

[rucky]

64. Time & Energy is better spent registering new voters

than trying to reason with these types.

[cottonseed]

65. Sounds a lot like the Security Mom dynamic.

Middle class Democratic women, who should know better, latching onto a perceived to be true argument (Bush better to protect country then Kerry) in making a decision contrary to the values they believe they adhere to. Someone had to have done a post-mortem on the Security Mom issue of last election. I'd like to see more on it and see what is applicable to this year's election.

[Vinca]

66. These people are not Democrats, they're rabid Hillary fans.

Anyone who would allow the Supreme Court to veer even more to the right for decades to come is a Republican.

[sufrommich]

68. They are not "rabid Hillary fans",they are completely

anonymous posters on the goddamned internet. The only purpose they serve is to divide democrats and give posters like you a reason to bash those who dared to vote for Hillary in the primaries.

[yardwork]

78. These people don't exist and if they did, they wouldn't support any Democrat ever.

[Cha]

67. These women don't give a Crap about the

Environment, either..it's all about them.

They're are the "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME" Sector.

And nobody is going to bow, scrape and give in to ME Terrorists.

[gcomeau]

69. Yeah we're all terrified....

On the one hand we have anecdotal evidence of isolated pockets of idiots, such as those discussed in this posting. On the other hand we have the polls which look at far larger samples of the electorate, and which say Obama doesn't have an issue with women or Democratic party support in general.

So frankly, no, we don't need these people back. They can grow the hell up on their own or they can go play with the freepers and good riddance to them.

[philkd]

72. Pure Psyops

[cali]

79. Fuck her. Just fuck anyone who calls themselves a life long dem

and feminist and says they'll vote for McCain. They're disgustin hypocrites and likely liars.

[David Zephyr]

80. My neice-in-law who voted for Hillary swears she will now vote for McCain.

Go figure.

[Terri S]

83. Send that pro-choice NARAL woman a wire coat hanger

and this...



I'm sorry, but 'pro-choice', 'intelligent', and 'voting for McCain', doesn't compute.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

85. You all are part of the problem & are just as bad by being insulting, dismissive of her supporters.

Do you not care whether he wins or not?

You'd rather be "right" than to see him actually win.

dumb, dumb, dumb.

[KamaAina]

91. I'm being dismissive of her supporters?

And here I was thinking I was concerned about making sure they stay with the Dem party in November. :shrug:

[apocalypsehow]

96. Dumb fucks with "hurt feelings" who vote for McCain deserve to be insulted & dismissed - especially

those pretending to be some kind of "progressives." As for that other silly jazz, Obama is going to win in a landslide this fall no matter what these sniveling whiners complaining about their widdle hurt feelers do. Period.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

111. So anybody you deem "stupid" - you don't want their votes....

If that's the case Obama will lose the election in a landslide. Lot of stupid and overly emotional voters out there. In fact the majority of the populace out there falls into that category.

Guess you'd rather be "right" than win. Good luck with that type of attitude - it won't get you very far in life.

and ps. you really aren't "right" just stubborn. AND possibly you might just be one of those overly-emotional people that you "scoff" at.

[Teaser]

87. they are the concern trolls of life

.

[RoadRage]

88. Do these "women defectors" know all about McCain yet?

Talk about someone who hasn't really been vetted.. the guy has barely been mentioned in the press for the past 3 months.

I'd love to see the rationale behind the "women" who vote for McCain (the guy who cheated on his first disabled wife with his current trophy) in the name of "feminism", against Obama.. the guy who will keep the SCOTUS balanced on women's issues, etc.

Are there going to be a few, yes? But, we can't prevent every idiot who wants to chop off their nose to spite their face. Wait until November.. when they see how "woman friendly" Mr. "I like to call my wife a C*nt" McCain is, perhaps they'll have second thoughts.

Just my guess.. Hillary supporters hate Obama for taking "their" candidate out. But they're going to have several real reason to hate McCain once they start learning about him.

[TexasObserver]

90. Abortion is no longer a concern to them, apparently.

Are we to believe these women no longer care about abortion because pregnancy is no longer a concern for them? Hard to believe a woman who has been in favor of abortion 30 years suddenly finds prohibition OK.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

102. Or the war, because their little Muffy and Brad will go to college, not the Army.

As far as I'm concerned, any Democrat who votes for McCain because Clinton lost is no better than a typical Republican chickenhawk.

[elfin]

94. Why would any woman

even consider voting for someone who does not trust them to make their own decisions as to their reproductive health??????

Even if that decision is to keep an unwanted or flawed pregnancy - it needs to be her decision and needs to be respected -- but NOT legislated.

[FredScuttle]

99. The author is also highly upset at the many instances of hippies spitting on returning Vietnam vets

she's also put out by the Abominable Snowman and alligators coming out of her toilet after growing up in the sewer.

[Bright Eyes]

100. Anyone who claims to be a "lifelong democrat" while threatening to vote McCain

is a damned liar.

[lamp_shade]

117. Indeed...

[MarjorieG]

101. How about the rest of the Supreme Court decisions we've witnessed that are wrong.

Not all about reproductive choice.

[Blue-Jay]

104. Concern trolls always claim to be a "lifelong Democrat".

Why do you think that is?

[BlooInBloo]

105. It's just so CURIOUS that they don't go for Cynthia McKinney....

I just can't imagine why that is!

[Bleacher Creature]

122. Darn good point.

If they don't want to vote for Obama, there are other options. Curious that they chose the one that hurts the country the most.

[madmom]

106. This is total bullshit! The msm really wants to keep this fight going, it's ratings for them!

[Thrill]

107. More Republican Bullshit.

[dansolo]

108. They are not gettable

If they are racists, which I believe they are, then there is nothing that we can do to convince them to vote for Obama. Good riddance, I say. I believe they are a very small minority.

[renate]

110. when my daughter behaves like this, I give her a talking-to

(And I think she has a better grasp of logic than any grownup who'd switch from Clinton to McCain.)

Unfortunately, we can't talk to peers in the same instructive way we talk to our children. But just like a good parent tries to understand why a child is behaving badly, we need to realize that many of Hillary' fervent supporters are mad. And hurt. And extremely disappointed. And therefore perhaps not thinking clearly. What most of us realize and many of them don't is that Obama himself didn't personally say anything bad about Hillary (except for "you're likeable enough"--which I thought was pretty obnoxious, actually). I hope that eventually Hillary's supporters will realize that it was the media and a few Obama spokespersons who did the things that upset them, not (with that sole exception that I can think of) Obama himself.

I can understand not voting for Obama if they really don't like him, but why turn around and actively do something in favor of someone like McCain? I hope that Bob Barr or Ralph Nader will end up siphoning the most diehard angry-Hillary-voters away from McCain and at least neutralize them instead of leaving them in McCain's column.

[roseBudd]

113. The "experience" and "empty suit" code words are simply the excuse that the fan girls are using...

Voting McCain is really about geting another bite at the apple in 2012. The perception is that an Obama win does not pave the way for another bite at the apple until 2016 and then Clinton would be much older and have to run against Obama's VP.

[GalleryGod]

115. Johnny Boy! AKA The "CUnext time" proliferater?

Well thought out, indeed!

[SoCalDem]

116. Wishy-washies are always around.. so are noseless Drama Queens

:)

[northzax]

121. bullshit

I spend all of my time with Washington lawyers, (although I am not one myself) I talk to people for a living, probably 500 since last Tuesday. I don't know a single Hillary supporter who is seriously thinking of voting for McCain. (full disclosure, I both supported Hillary and spent time as a volunteer for her, so I would be a sympathetic audience)


not. a. single. one. there may well be people, but to think it's a movement is frankly ridiculous. not a freaking chance. I have yet to find a single Hillary supporter who is going to support McCain. not. a. single. one.

this person is full of shit if she thinks this is a real problem in DC at least.