Oklahoma Dem won't endorse Obama

[KKKarl is an idiot]

I hate my state. We are the most republican state in the union. To think we were the state that American Indians were actually forcefully moved to during the "trail of tears". The last state to be awarded statehood on the mainland because of racism towards those same people. Most news organizations do not even conduct regular polling in Oklahoma for the presidential race because we are always considered a safe republican state. Now the only Oklahoma congressmen who calls himself a "democrat", Dan Boren will not endorse Obama for president using republican talking points that he is the most liberal senator.

I said that we are hurting the party with these so called "blue dog democrats" before the '06 congressional election. We are going even deeper in this election. They may stage a coup after this election because more people who are disgruntled with the republican way are looking to vote for a democratic federal representative. Blue dogs are going to be the ruin of the progressive movement. We do not need them.

[LSparkle]

1. They need to follow the Dixiecrats and join the GOP ...

I think we've brought in enough new (more liberal) voters
to the party in this election cycle to make up for the
defections.

[knixphan]

44. seconded.

[AspenRose]

2. Move to Colorado!

:hug:

[KKKarl is an idiot]

4. I am thinking Portland, OR

[Mike L]

3. Gov. Dean knew what he was doing with his "50 state strategy."

You far left Dems hurt the Democratic Party the most.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. You mean more far left Dems like Howard Dean?

Right. What we need is more people like Joe Lieberman and Dan Boren.

:eyes:

[KKKarl is an idiot]

8. So that makes us

the republican party now known as the democractic party. Maybe we can get our support back in the South and bring back "seperate but equal" policies as well.

[Mike L]

10. No, just lay off gun control and pushing gay marriage.

But then, even Oregon voted to ban gay marriage.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. pushing gay marriage?

Tired of them shoving things down your throat, eh?

[Mike L]

15. You're childish. I personally don't care about the "gay marriage" issue,

but 75% of Americans are against it, not just the South.

[Danger Mouse]

16. We'll keep pushing gay marriage because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO.

[Born_A_Truman]

21. Amen!

If we Democrats don't stand up for what is fair, who will?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. 75% of Americans didn't support interracial marriage either.

I suppose you didn't care about that?

[Mike L]

23. Not comparable issues. I know you would like them to be, but

they're not.

[Liberal Veteran]

26. So you are not a racist. Just a homophobe?

I see.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Explain how they're not comparable.

Please tell me why it's OK to be bigoted against homosexuals, but not interracial lovers.

[Mike L]

36. Issues are not the same because people have a constitutional right to

procreate.

[Liberal Veteran]

37. I see. Can you show me in the constitution where I have the right to procreate?

[Mike L]

38. It's created in case law. It comes from a "penumbra' surrounding other

privacy rights contained in the constitution.

[Liberal Veteran]

40. So then, if we decided to say infertile couples or elderly couples couldn't wed...

...it would be constitutional?

And since when does marriage equal procreation?

[Mike L]

42. That's a good response. In reality, I suppose it comes down to the fact that

a large majority of voters (hetero's) want to reserve marriage to themselves, or they have something against same-sex couples. Maybe they are embarrassed by them? Whatever the reason, it's a losing issue for Democrats. That's all I'm saying.

I like your cats. I have a runt tabby that's a real stinker.

[Danger Mouse]

50. Why not? Because you say so?

[knixphan]

45. Zing!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Your Numbers Aren't Even In The Ballpark

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

[Mike L]

22. That poll is BS. Look at the results from states that have voted

on banning GM.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. They Passed With About Fifty Five Percent To Sixty Percent Of The Vote

That's nowhere near seventy five percent...

[Liberal Veteran]

27. And with a TON of churches pushes people to the polls.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. What Are We Gonna Do?

Young folks overwhelmingly support gay marriage... Their older counterparts who oppose it will soon no longer be with us...

It's only a matter of time...

[Liberal Veteran]

31. WE are gonna keep pushing for full equality.

I am not so naive as to refuse piecemeal measures like civil unions that make gay marriage less of a hot button issue, but the ultimate goal is equality.

[Mike L]

33. LOOK---->>> Pretty damn close to 75% average of voters who voted to bangay marriage and/or civil

unions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_legislation_in_the_United_States

State Initiative Ban on Date Yes vote No vote Final
outcome
1998:
Alaska Ballot Measure 2 Marriage November 1998 68% (152,965) 32% (71,631) Yes
Hawaii Constitutional Amendment 2 Marriage ban
permitted November 1998 69% (285,384) 31% (117,827) Yes <14>
2000:
Nebraska Initiative Measure 416 Marriage and
civil union November 2000 70% (450,073) 30% (189,555) Yes <15>
2002:
Nevada Question 2 Marriage November 2002 67% (337,183) 33% (164,555) Yes
2004:
Arkansas Constitutional Amendment 3 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 75% (753,770) 25% (251,914) Yes
Georgia Constitutional Amendment 1 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 76% (2,454,912) 24% (768,703) Yes <16>
Kentucky Constitutional Amendment 1 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 75% (1,222,125) 25% (417,097) Yes
Louisiana Constitutional Amendment 1 Marriage and
civil union September 2004 78% (618,928) 22% (177,103) Yes <17>
Michigan State Proposal - 04-2 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 59% (2,698,077) 41% (1,904,319) Yes
Mississippi Amendment 1 Marriage November 2004 86% (957,104) 14% (155,648) Yes
Missouri Constitutional Amendment 2 Marriage August 2004 71% (1,055,771) 29% (439,529) Yes
Montana Initiative 96 Marriage November 2004 67% (295,070) 33% (148,263) Yes
North Dakota Constitutional Measure 1 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 73% (223,572) 27% (81,716) Yes
Ohio State Issue 1 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 62% (3,329,335) 38% (2,065,462) Yes
Oklahoma State Question 711 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 76% (1,075,216) 24% (347,303) Yes
Oregon Measure 36 Marriage November 2004 57% (1,028,546) 43% (787,556) Yes
Utah Constitutional Amendment 3 Marriage and
civil union November 2004 66% (593,297) 34% (307,488) Yes
2005:
Kansas Proposed amendment 1 Marriage and
civil union April 2005 70% (414,106) 30% (178,018) Yes
Texas Proposition 2 Marriage and
civil union November 2005 76% (1,718,513) 24% (536,052) Yes
2006:
Alabama Sanctity of Marriage Amendment Marriage and
civil union June 2006 81% (734,746) 19% (170,399) Yes
Arizona Proposition 107 Marriage and
civil union November 2006 48% (721,489) 52% (775,498) No
Colorado Amendment 43 Marriage November 2006 56% (768,700) 44% (612,155) Yes
Idaho Amendment 2 Marriage and
civil union November 2006 63% (281,823) 37% (163,191) Yes
South Carolina Amendment 1 Marriage and
civil union November 2006 78% (818,894) 22% (230,674) Yes
South Dakota Amendment C Marriage and
civil union November 2006 52% (172,237) 48% (160,756) Yes
Tennessee Marriage Protection Amendment Marriage November 2006 81% (1,417,315) 19% (326,335) Yes
Virginia Virginia Marriage and
civil union November 2006 57% (1,325,668) 43% (1,003,967) Yes
Wisconsin Referendum 1 Marriage and
civil union November 2006 59% (1,260,554) 41% (861,554) Yes
2008:
California Limit on Marriage Amendment Marriage November 2008 NA
Florida Amendment 2 Marriage and
civil union November 2008 NA

[Liberal Veteran]

35. You'll forgive me for being a bit offended with you offensive assertion that the party....

...should throw gay people under the bus.

You best be re-reading the rules to this place.

[Mike L]

39. I'm sorry, but it's a losing issue at this time.

Maybe in 50 years???? Who knows?

[Liberal Veteran]

41. But in the meantime, you expect the gay community to back the party?

With our dollars and time and vote?

[Danger Mouse]

51. Bullshit. Gay people deserve to have a voice as much as anyone else.

If the Dem party won't give them their voice, who will they turn to?

[Liberal Veteran]

24. You personally might not care, but try being told you have no next of kin rights.

You sicken me.

[Forkboy]

34. Way to take a stand, oh brave one!

[newmajority]

13. If you don't believe in gay marriage....

....don't have one. Nobody's going to force you to marry a dude.

[Liberal Veteran]

28. Mike L circa 1960: No, just lay off civil rights and pushing integration.

:eyes:

[Mike L]

9. Dean is a centrist.

[newmajority]

6. Can you smmeelllllll that pizza cooking??

Yours is long overdue.

[Mike L]

11. yum, yum. em

[Danger Mouse]

14. What the fuck are you doing here if you dislike 'far left' Dems so much?

This is a progressive website.
Lieberman lovers need not apply.
BTW, do you support Obama?

[Mike L]

18. Lieberman is a scumbag traitor to America.

And yes, I'll hold my nose and vote for Obama.

[Danger Mouse]

52. Fine...but where do you get off insulting the 'far left,' and what do you consider the far left?

People who support equal rights for gays?

[Blue-Jay]

48. "far left"...

:rofl:

That sounds like something an asshole would say.

[tularetom]

7. You would think $4 a gallon means something to this asshat's constituents

but maybe not. I wonder how many of them actually know the meaning of the word "liberal". Actually I think this is just a bunch of media bullshit applied to any Dem who is nominated for president. If Hillary were the nominee she would be labeled the most "liberal" senator.

I would avoid your state completely except my Dad is buried there. And I have to go through it to visit my other relatives.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. I think Utah or Montana are the most Repub. Not to take away the dumbass Repubs from Okla.

n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

29. Montana ain't too bad....Idaho on the other hand is...well, ugh!

[democrat2thecore]

43. Where's Fred Harris When You Need Him?

A lot of you won't know of Fred Harris, but he was a Senator from Oklahoma from 1964-1972. He came within a whisker of being VEEP with Humphrey in 1968. It came down to Harris & Muskie and HHH went with Muskie. Harris ran for president in 1972 - briefly. But it was his 1976 campaign that was probably the most progressive presidential campaign ever waged by any Democrat in modern times. His campaign slogan was "The Issue Is Privilege." I worked on that campaign and his following was loyal with a capital 'L'. What a great, great American is Fred R. Harris. It's hard to believe he came out of a state like Oklahoma. Of course, Oklahoma also gave Eugene Debs more votes than any state in the country. My, how times change.

[knixphan]

46. MLK on gradualism

"...There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience."

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

[NatBurner]

47. i'm orignally from okc

and this news is truly sad

so much for moving back home, fuck that

i wanna move to a blue state just to see what it's like

[David Zephyr]

49. Boren is a racist.

That's all this reveals.

[TooRaLoo]

53. Agreed.

can't wait to move!