Why do people still believe Hillary will be on the ticket?

[Erin Elizabeth]

I don't think there's a chance in hell she'll be on the ticket and there never has been a chance. Never will be. Just isn't going to happen.

So why do I keep hearing little bits and pieces of that floating around here and there? Or flat-out news stories on it? It's a non-story. It's not going to happen. I'll eat my left shoe if it does, that's how sure I am (let me just salt it a bit first).

Why in the world is this non-story even being kept afloat? To what purpose?

[busymom]

1. She will be on the ticket...

I really believe that Obama will ultimately offer her the VP spot.

[Erin Elizabeth]

2. What indications has HE given that makes you think so?

I mean serious, solid indications?

Or is this just a gut feeling? Or hope? A wish? What?

[busymom]

4. I have...

my sources....

:evilgrin:

[MattBaggins]

15. Are these the kind of "sources"

that would show up on a colonoscopy?

[busymom]

18. wouldn't you like to know. LOL.

[Hieronymus]

27. Spirits speak to you?

[shadowknows69]

5. Not happening

Why would any President want that baggage in his first term?

[hokies4ever]

30. She runs counter to his message and isn't moving closer to it

For example, Obama doesn't take PAC/lobbyist money. Almost as soon as he became the presumptive nominee, he announced that the DNC would no longer take PAC money. Hillary takes PAC money because "they're Americans too." It doesn't take a genius to figure out that she needs to announce that she's going to reject PAC money if she wants to be seriously considered for the V.P. spot. She's in massive debt however, so I don't see that happening.

[Zhade]

47. And hand mcLame ammo via the Tuzla tape and her endorsement of mcLame over him?

Obama's not stupid - mcLame would easily prove clinton a liar with the first and undercut the ticket with the second (which is ALREADY being used in mcLame ads).

[Captain Hilts]

3. Beats me. I don't think she even wants it. nt

[babylonsister]

6. I have no idea, but I wish people would get over the idea. I'd hate to

see them disappointed twice, and I mean that sincerely.

[CakeGrrl]

7. It gives the MSM a chance to waste more time kicking the story around

when she isn't selected.

Unlike true proponents of the idea who only see "her votes plus his votes = WIN!" (and that is NOT true), I'm sure he's looking at the big picture.

She's HANDED the Right some choice talking points. He'd be a fool to compromise his IWR and Kyl-Lieberman positions by adding her to the ticket since she voted for both.

And if he really wants to put someone on the ticket who keeps telling everyone that SHE'S the better person for the job, up to and including the night he WON the nomination, then my estimation of his judgement will plummet.

[paulk]

23. since he wasn't in the Senate and didn't vote on the IWR

and even went so far as to say he didn't know how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate... what is he compromising?

Oh, and that goes for Kyle/Lieberman, too, since he didn't vote on that, either...

[CakeGrrl]

28. He can truthfully and emphatically say he does not support the war. And

there's no record of a contradictory vote to force him to explain a flip-flop.

It happened with Kerry and it would happen with Clinton. He doesn't need the extra baggage. That's only one of many pieces of it.

[paulk]

35. that's why he's voted in favor of the funding, right?

maybe you've got a different definition for "support" than I do.

[Zhade]

48. Oh, that's rich - as if you've ever shown a lack of support for this war!

NT!

[nevergiveup]

8. If Obama's internal polling

shows that she would help the ticket more than other candidates it is a real possibility. I personally am not excited about the idea but am less vehemently opposed than I was a month ago.

[Inuca]

17. Even then, I don't think it would happen

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I really believe that the way the ticket would work AFTER the election will be the main factor determining the final selection. This includes the affinity between the two (which does not necessarily mean perfect agreement, but rather the ability to cooperate and similar "thought patterns" figuratively speaking, if that makes any sense :-)). I know, in order to govern you have first to win. But I think that Obama has shown that he is not willing to win at all costs, without thinking of what happens after the win. Of course, the stakes are much higher than in the primary. Still, I believe that the almost impossibility to have a coherent WH if Clinton(s) is on the ticket will rule her out, even if it is decided that she would help the ticket in the election (which she probably would).

[DesertFlower]

9. because the media won't

shut up about it.

[jobycom]

10. Because LBJ was on JFK's, even though there wasn't a chance in Hell it would happen?

This is politics. If Obama's numbers show she'll help him, he'll try to get her on the ticket.

I don't believe the numbers will show that, but I don't know what Obama's strategy will be. He won't win by being a progressive, so the one thing that's sure is that he'll shift strategies for the general. Whatever group he goes after, he'll choose a running mate based on that. Will he try to win southern states? If so, he'll choose someone popular in the South. That's risky, though, because he could shoot and miss, and then he's wasted his chance. Will he go after Florida or Ohio? Or will he pick a national candidate who will emphasize his message or strengthen his weakness (experience, mostly), going after a demographic or ideology more than a region? If so, Clinton might help him there.

His pick will reveal his strategy. I think your left shoe is safe, but it's more of a chance than you think it is.

[TahitiNut]

22. Uh-huh. And look what happened to JFK.

:shrug:

[jobycom]

44. Egads!

You think Obama will sleep with Cameron Diaz?!

[elfin]

11. To keep the story alive

and feed the Corporate Media endless stories of suspense and supposition based on wisps of statements from both camps.

Not her fault entirely - BUT the combo of Hill and Bill is toxic in the GE due to his shenanigans (financial and otherwise) and her equivocations, triangulations during the primaries spell big trouble for Obama in the GE.

She could be the best national Senator we have, given Ted's precarious hold on that position -- and she could be a formidable presence on the Supreme Court, using her enormous intellect and persuasion skills to correct the current bias in the Court.

[Willo]

12. For the same reason they continued to believe

she could win after March. She said different, the media reported different. Truth can take a backseat and smack em upside the head later.

[Lerkfish]

13. including this thread???

weird, huh?

if you believe its a nonissue, then don't bring it up.

[karynnj]

14. Look at the people on the selection committee

The key one might be Jim Johnson who also did the same for Kerry. Shrum in his book spoke of having tested HRC and found that she hurt kerry rather than helped. Now, Kerry had his own experience - so it wasn't quite the same thing - but the same is likely still true. In addition, how do you vet the Clintons?

[texas_indy]

16. I agree. Not only will she NOT be VP, but she won't be in his administration, ...Thank God!

HRC can stay in the Senate, try for NY gov, or open up a B&B in Harlem; as long as she and Billy stay away from the Obama WH that will be just fine.


Whoever Obama picks for the VP will no doubt be a very good choice and one well researched.
He's been doing pretty darn good so far with his decisions.

We don't know yet who it will be, but we know it won't be HRC!! YEEEEHAAAAAA!

[TahitiNut]

26. From your keyboard to Barack's ear.

[Zhade]

49. Er, probably not in Harlem, considering how the clintons are viewed there after their race-baiting.

NT!

[Cha]

19. Is it the m$$$fm? 'Cause they're the ones who benefit

from that kind of useless Drama.

[cbayer]

20. Why in the world is this non-story even being kept afloat? To what purpose?

You are the one who is keeping it afloat. To what purpose?

[MonkeyFunk]

21. she might be, she might not be

nobody knows. Why do people get so upset about it?

[Irishonly]

29. Beats me

He will choose the person he wants. I have always wondered if anyone in a campaign every reads the speculation. We have managed to pick his cabinet, vp and give us a chance we'll pick the theme for his inauguration.:rofl:

[cbayer]

31. I have already chosen the life partners for his daughters

and the names for his future grand-children.

:evilgrin:

[Irishonly]

36. Good For You

Do we get to vote or what?:rofl:

[cbayer]

41. Nope.

This is going to be a cbayer executive decision. Why, you ask? Because I am very special. You can pick out the silverware.

:rofl:

[Irishonly]

43. Thank you

How bout the china?

[MonkeyFunk]

34. heheh

I know, it's so funny. People post with such intensity, as if Obama's reading this and taking notes.

[Irishonly]

37. Yep

:hi:

[Bono Ritchards]

24. I hope not

I really feel if Obama wants to bring a change for a new America, none of the "old guard" can be involved. For that reason, I don't want Hillary to be v.p. No more Clintons or Bushes.

[highplainsdem]

25. Because many people believe it's an unbeatable ticket & the best way to unite the Democratic Party.

I'm well aware that Obama supporters who hate Hillary don't agree. But polls have shown that a majority of Democrats want a unity ticket. And, to be blunt, the people Obama needs to reach out to, while trying to unite the party, AREN'T his Hillary-hating supporters.

I don't know what the odds are that he will ask her to be his VP. I continue to believe he should have her on the ticket to make his victory in November more likely.

And I don't care what Hillary-haters think. Obama has praised her, and he's asked his supporters to be nice to her supporters. If you want to continue bashing her, it just shows you won't listen to him.

[WillyWonton]

33. highplainsdem hits the nail on the head

Many people see this as a no-brain-er. We had two of the strongest candidates we have seen in years. Both of them together on one ticket would seem to appear unbeatable. You get all of the Obama supporters AND all of the Hillary supporters, what could be better than that. That is why this is floating around and still has legs. My gut tells me though that if Obama does not select Hillary, he should look for a woman. I would not be surprised if the repugs try to get McCain a female running mate to draw across some of the Clinton loyalist. Just a guess though on my part.

[CakeGrrl]

38. This is not as simple as "1+1=2"

If you put Hillary on the ticket, you're going to lose crossover Independents and Republicans who are interested in Obama's message of change but DO NOT want Clinton II in the White House in any way.

A chunk of Hillary's voters were Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" 'bots. They're voting McCain.

That broad base of Hillary's Appalachian support (you know, the "Barack HUSSIAN Obama" demographic) will NOT show up just because - no, make that especially because - Obama is on the ticket. The TOP of the ticket, no less. They'll sit out or vote McCain.

Hillary will mobilize Republicans who might otherwise be more apathetic. McCain gets a bump from anti-Clinton Republicans.

That slice of voting bloc from Puerto Rico? They don't vote in the General Election. Goodbye to those votes.

This is not simple arithmetic. There are gives and takes with putting a high-profile figure on the ticket.

I haven't even discussed the big issues Obama must also consider once he gets to the WH. He has to work with this VP. He cannot fire his VP. He has to think about what that means.

[hokies4ever]

32. Because Hillary's surrogates keep pushing that talking point

no matter how utterly absurd it sounds.

[BzaDem]

39. Umm... maybe because you are wrong?

You just saying over and over again that you don't think she will be on the ticket, doesn't actually make that happen. It's not like all the political science experts are going to be like "OK, Erin is so sure that she would eat her left shoe, let's stop looking at this issue logically, and take Erin's word for it."

Why do you think Obama would have brought up the example of Lincoln appointing his enemies when asked about Clinton being the VP?

Whether or not it will happen will probably be based upon how unified the party is in August, and certainly can't be determined now.

[NatBurner]

40. salt is for squares

tony chachere's tho?

u already know

anyway

i hear ya

this is just news du jour for the next week or so
as much as ppl wanna bitch about the media being biased againt hillary?
the media loves the clintons

wolf is especially hurt

anyway

give it wha? a week or two? and they'll move on

if/when hillary and/or bill start actively campaigning for obama?
all that silly hilly vp talk will dry up...



















...hopefully

wolf acts like his wife left him or someshit

[RC]

42. Hillary, who?

She is so last week. And that is a good thing. Let's move on,ok?

[Mezzo]

45. why do you think she won't? And will YOU still SUPPORT THE NOMINEE if she is?

surely you can't be that one sided. :shrug:

[Zhade]

46. Desperation.

NT!