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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:24 AM
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Why the Republicans REALLY Wanted Hillary to be the Nominee
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 05:27 AM by IWantAnyDem
No, it's not they they think they could beat her.

I am fully convinced that the Republicans know beyond any doubt their chances of winning this year rank somewhere between extremely slim and none.

They wanted Hillary to win so they could energize their base. They know they'll lose ground in both the House and the Senate, but this becomes a rebuilding year for them and they needed that strong active base. You can see the move to energize their base already with the continued pushing of the meme to tie Obama to terrorism ("terrorist jab", anybody?).

But bigger than the energizing of the base would be having a built in excuse.

"C'mon, guys, we were running against BOTH Hillary AND Bill, of course we had tough odds against a prior president."


The Republicans never forgave the Clintons for winning in '92. See, that party believes they are ENTITLED to the White House, and Bill Clinton came out of nowhere to take the election. This was the whole reason for eight years of "Hunting the President" (which, quite frankly, was nothing compared to the slime they'll be throwing at Obama over the next eight years).

But the fact is, losing to Hillary in 2008 came with a built in face saving device for the Republicans. One which they believed they could come back from in eight years to take back the White House.

Now, they are facing a losing proposition against an even less well known young African American man who energizes a nation. Worse yet, they are about to lose to a junior Senator from Illinois whom they rate as the MOST liberal Senator.

That's gonna leave a mark.

See, with the Clintons they'd have the ability to at least push back on some of the agenda and maybe mount an attack in two years to take back the House (though realistically their chances there are about the same as their chances of winning the White House this year). They know how to fight the Clintons and wanted the fight they knew much more than the fight they have no clue about.

They've been watching how Obama reacts to attacks etc., and they're terrified. They have no clue how to approach him and do it effectively. Obama has taken attack after attack and turned them into positives for himself along the way. They see his ability to connect with the American people and are reminded of their own Saint Ronnie.

This is far more terrifying than any progressive agenda being passed because they see the seeds of destruction being sewn in their own back yard.

Ronald Reagan ushered in an era of right wing idealogues taking charge for more than a generation, and they fear Obama being able to do the same for the Progressive agenda.

Worse yet, Obama represents a leadership for an undercurrent of a populist revolt in this country, and that terrifies the money men on Wall Street who control it all.

The fact is, the Clintons were comfortable enemies. They understood the Clintons, They knew how the Clintons functioned and knew where to drive their attack lines. They'd lose to the Clintons just like they'll lose to Obama, but they would understand that loss because they know it.

Obama is an entirely new ball game and if I've learned anything over the past thirty years when it comes to the right wing, the thing the conservatives fear the most is when something changes in a direction they do not and cannot understand.

Change is coming, and that right swiftly.
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:35 AM
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1. Look for the Nixon Southern Strategy
It will certainly be interesting how many ways they create to play the race card, and the buzz words to be used.. Elite means Uppity N**,, you know what I mean.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:38 AM
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2. I expect that
and I bbeleive Obama does, too.

And I also believe Obama will effectively turn it around.

That racist shit don't fly no more.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:13 AM
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8. and the one thing that breaks it
there has been an anti southern strategy on the table ever since the Johnson administration. Up to now, no one has seriously acted on it. Obama has already gotten busy with it.

The counter play has always been to organize the southern AA community and get them to the polls. Now, thanks to the massive migration to the sun belt, the "old south" is constrained to rural areas and the dems are doing far better. Register the 600,000 AA voters in GA the nearly 5 million not registered in the south, and get them to the polls. At this point, many interesting things become tenable. If nothing else, making the south competitive will cause McSame to spend very limited resources in places where they haven't had to in a generation.

It is a very good plan.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:11 AM
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12. play has always been to organize the southern AA community" - won't GOP point to this "racist" idea?
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:30 AM
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14. Is the party prepared now
to surpass all the methods used to keep AA voters from voting like Jeb has in the past ? Felon lists, etc.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:39 AM
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3. The Republicans are desperately trying to throw this election
The wheels are coming off Bush's cart right now and Fox News' 24-hour breathless bullshit can't even begin to hide it. They will do everything humanly possible to prop up our grim situation until Obama gets elected, then with the help of the corporate media, blame EVERYTHING on him and the Democratic Congress.

I think the Republican strategy right now is just to wait patiently for another year or so, then rule for another generation or two.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:52 AM
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7. perhaps
but then these were the "Iraq = cakewalk" guys, the gang that can't shoot straight. Their fate is to be on the back bench for a generation or two. But then, they were always most comfortable in the role of "disgruntled minority". They obviously never knew what to do with government once they had it, after all they don't believe in it.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:45 AM
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4. Had the repugs....
and their msm toadies wanted to run against HRC, she would have been the nominee. (See Gore vs Bush, and Kerry vs Bush). Fantasizing that the msm have changed their ways, and have suddenly acquired the honor that has been missing for eight years, worries me.(said the spider to the fly) We'll see how much their stripes have changed leading up to the ge. Thanks.
quickesst
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:47 AM
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5. Had the repugs...
and their msm toadies wanted to run against HRC, she would have been the nominee. (See Gore vs Bush, and Kerry vs Bush). Fantasizing that the msm have changed their ways, and have suddenly acquired the honor that has been missing for eight years, worries me.(said the spider to the fly) We'll see how much their stripes have changed leading up to the ge. Thanks.
quickesst
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:49 AM
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6. the "money men on Wall Street" are quite comfortable with Obama
the republicans maybe dread opposing him, but the money men, I'm not seeing a lot of fear.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:25 AM
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9. Their racist base will be energized.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:44 AM
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11. That being
90%...

seriously - how many republicans have you met that did not suffer from overt racism? Not even hidden very well but overt?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:40 AM
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10. They fear Obama, they KNOW the Clintons and can beat them!
Hillary would reenergize the Republican base like we've never witnessed before. That's why they were pushing for her to be the nominee. That, and the simply fact that they hate John McSame.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:12 AM
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13. nope - Hillary was a sure win - Obama because of large state problem needs more states
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:38 AM
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15. They would never have beat the Clintons
they would have only taken comfort in the fact that they KNOW the Clintons.
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