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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:47 PM
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Wes Clark: McCain Is "Untested & Untried" On National Security
Gen. Clark: McCain Is "Untested And Untried" On National Security
June 11, 2008 10:09 AM

In a wide-ranging interview with The Huffington Post, Clark offered opinions on the current state of American foreign policy, the Democrats' emergence as a more "full-service" party on security issues, and -- lest anyone doubt his potential use as a running mate for Obama -- the shortcomings of Sen. John McCain.

"I know he's trying to get traction by seeking to play to what he thinks is his strong suit of national security," Clark said of McCain while speaking from his office in Little Rock, Arkansas. "The truth is that, in national security terms, he's largely untested and untried. He's never been responsible for policy formulation. He's never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier or his own congressional staff. It's not clear that this is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is."

Resume aside, though, Clark also took issue with the Arizona Republican's instincts on national security. "McCain's weakness is that he's always been for the use of force, force and more force. In my experience, the only time to use force is as a last resort. ... When he talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes ditties about bombing Iran, he betrays a disrespect for the office of the presidency."
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Clark also said Democrats are making progress in becoming a "full-service party" that can compete on security concerns as well as domestic issues. "Republicans like to focus on the threat, on fear, on insecurities. It's what motivates their base," he said. "As Democrats, we focus on hope and possibilities in the future. So the two parties are asymmetrical. And because the two parties are different, it makes the national security play differently to both parties. But I think we have to point out the failures and shortcomings of the current approach. In the foreign policy arena, John McCain has pretty much bought the central thrust of the Bush administration's foreign policies: relying on threat and bluster isolating people we don't agree with instead of engaging them."

Still, Clark says Democrats can't afford to be branded as unwilling to use force. "My take is that Senator Obama has been very clear ... As he said in his recent appearance before AIPAC, he is strongly committed to America's allies. And it would be a mistake for anyone to assume he won't use force when it's necessary and appropriate. ... I think it's a question of whether you believe all intercourse with an enemy must end in conflict or not."
Citing the issue of Iran's nuclear program, Clark suggested a prime window of opportunity may have been missed early in the Bush presidency, before the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "I think Iran has come out of the Bush administration as a much stronger power," he said. "First of all, we eliminated the primary blocking force to their west in Iraq. Secondly, we have been ineffective in using the broader tools of U.S. diplomacy and moral suasion in the region -- and that's allowed Iran to capture Hamas, displace Fatah and strengthen grip on Hezbollah. ... Without effective diplomatic engagement of Iran, we've allowed them to pursue a nuclear program that is likely aimed at achieving nuclear weapons. But we've refused to sit down and talk to them about it. ... I still favor an effort to engage Iran, but the clock is ticking on their probable nuclear program. This makes everything much more complicated and difficult now.

"I think that there was a window . Maybe two or three windows of opportunity. They might or might not have been fruitful. There are never any guarantees with diplomacy. But there are never any guarantees with force, either. John McCain should know that. He and I, along with many others, were caught up in an inconclusive war in southeast Asia."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/gen-clark-mccain-is-untes_n_106457.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:48 PM
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1. "Full Service Party"!!
Damn right..thanks Clark!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:49 PM
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2. Hand Salute
General Arriving. Oh Lordy General Clark why did you not run for President? VP? SECSTATE? The dem nominee would really be erring big time if you do not have a place in the next administration. And please, keep poking at LCDR McCain.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:50 PM
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3. See? VP material, peeps.
For once let's make the smart move. Instead of Defeat, let's snatch Victory from the jaws of Victory!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:54 PM
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4. And that, ladeez and jellyspoons is why he should be Obama's VP pick...
...General Clark will destroy piece by piece every single one of Grumpy's supposed military/national security credentials...
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:54 PM
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5. Ouch! that one's got to hurt
A General dressing down a lieutenant commander...Ouch. This Dem quick response team seems to have learned it's lesson from 2004; don't sit back when the repukes take a whack at ya!
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:55 PM
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6. McCain in a crisis...
Gen. Clark points out that McCain has "never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier."

And not to put too fine a point on this subject, but in that moment of crisis, John McCain went down in flames...
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:05 PM
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9. Gen. Clarkle just destroyed Gramps main argument.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:57 PM
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7. Good points.
:kick:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:02 PM
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8. I wonder what Clark was thinking as he sat behind Hillary
when she said that McCain had passed the C-I-C threshold.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:17 PM
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16. from his public appearances where he was speaking as her surrogates, I'd gather he wasn't thrilled
people posted here how he didn't do well on tv.

Clark excels on tv now. The reason he wasn't coming across well for Hillary is his heart wasn't in it.

He's been working his ass off for the Democratic party getting Dems elected for the last 4 years.

I really, honestly don't think he liked being in the circular firing squad.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:27 PM
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24. I noticed it, too, CS
He's usually a pretty happy warrior on the trail. He was for Kerry and every time I've seen him out for somebody else. This was different, not at first, but as things went on.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:05 PM
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10. Don't expect to hear McCain talk in nuances like that.
Wonkishness is not his strong suit.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:08 PM
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11. Yep, he's one of my top picks for VP. And this shows why. n/t
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:10 PM
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12. "Untested And Untried" On National Security...
Nice meme, Wes!

:toast:
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:11 PM
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13. Clark sure is running for the VP, isn't he?
I can't stand the way he treated Obama, but I'll take him for VP.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:14 PM
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14. Dangerous Ground
If McCain is "largely untried and untested" then what is Obama. These are dangerous comments from someone angling for a VP spot. They could come back and bite Obama.

David
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:20 PM
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17. Seems to me Obama and McCain are at the same level. Although one could make the case
Obama has recently faced a major crisis concerning his relationship with Wright and how the Mediawhores insisted on using it to attack him unfairly.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:47 PM
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18. I agree and that's my point.
If Wes is saying McCain is untried and untested then won't they make the comparison to Obama and say it applies to him also. I think I would concentrate on his positives.

David
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:25 PM
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21. I still think it works
McCain is going to rattle off a resume at Obama no matter what our side says or doesn't say in reply. McCain is going to point to his long years inside the military, to his long years dealing with foreign affairs in the Senate and point out that Obama does not have a similar resume. That part is simply facts.

Obama has his own ace card. When the most important national security issue of our generation needed to be decided regarding Iraq, Obama got it right and McCain got it wrong. But Obama can't pretend to have managed any other severe national security threats beyond that, and McCin is trying to pretend that McCain HAS. Clark just called his bluff. Clark isn't saying that McCain should be disqualified from being President because he is "untried and untested", he is saying that McCain needs to stop bragging about something that he can't really take credit for. That blows a hole in McCain's main argument for why he is better prepared than Obama to be President. On domestic issues McCain starts out in a big hole. Then Clark trumps McCain with Obama by pointing out that Obama has the right instincts and McCain has the wrong ones when it comes to national security.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:01 PM
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23. You may be right.
I'd say though if Clark comes out hard for Obama, then you will see some former military leaders come out hard for McCain that didn't ever get behind Bush. In the end I'd say it will be a wash on this note anyway. It will be fun to watch regardless.

David
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:30 PM
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22. Obama knew to oppose Iraq.......so he's already light years ahead of McCain.
And that is the beauty of having a ticket where no one voted for that war.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:20 PM
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15. I'm in. Clark for VP.
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:03 PM
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20. My first choice for VP was Jim Webb....
However, as more baggage comes out about Webb, I am beginning to think that Clark would be the best choice. He appears to be a fighter and his military background and good common sense would complement Senator Obama. :thumbsup:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:55 PM
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19. Nice audition tape General
Mr. Biden and you are providing great audition tapes for the VP spot.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:29 PM
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25. I LOVE The General!!!
:patriot:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:21 AM
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26. Wes graduated top of hs class at West Point, McCain was close to the bottom at Annapolis
McCain really never accomplished much in his military career beyond crashing five planes, getting shot down, captured, and held for five years. He was given a desk job commanding a training squadron afterwards.

Compare that with Clark's distingusihed career that led up to his being NATO commander in charge of the highly-successful, low casualty operation in the Former Yugoslavia.

There is no comparison.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:22 AM
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27. K & R!
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