Let's vet the possible VP candidates ourselves!

[ContinentalOp]

I'll list a name of a potential VP candidate, each in a new post. Then reply to the relevant post with any negatives you can think of, so that the discussion for each person is grouped under their name. If you think of anyone I left out, just start a new reply with the person's name in all caps.

Let's not get into any positives or discussions about who is the best choice. The point is just to get all of the negative stuff out there. Let's just tear each of them down the best we can. }(

[ContinentalOp]

1. EVAN BAYH

[jefferson_dem]

20. Pro-life, charismatic as a dirty dishrag, could barely deliver IN for Hillary in primaries

...

No thanks.

[faithfulcitizen]

98. Bayh is pro-life? I don't like him, but that's news to me.

[StevieM]

100. Where did you hear Evan Bayh is pro-life? I thought he is pro-choice. (eom)

[Douglas Carpenter]

245. In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Bayh a grade of 100

Senator Bayh supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 75 percent in 2006.

Senator Bayh supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Bayh supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2004

link: http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=22418

------

I don't care much for Sen. Bayh either. But his record on abortion rights looks pretty solid.

[jefferson_dem]

246. I stand corrected.

His record on abortion rights is mostly good.

http://www.issues2000.org/Social/Evan_Bayh_Abortion.htm

He did get a 50% from NARAL in 2003 so I guess he's not totally pure on the issue.

http://www.issues2000.org/Notebook/Note_03n-NARAL.htm

[butterfly77]

291. Boring,dull and all of the rest...

[Colobo]

42. No, thanks. Too conservative for my taste.

[faithfulcitizen]

101. Just a hair shy of a liebercrat. He arm-twisted every dem in the state (IN) to not support Obama.

[faithfulcitizen]

113. he voted for the Bush tax cuts! unbelievable.

[rove karl rove]

173. too conservative, too bland, too boring, too old school

He'd probably decline it anyway, Obama's not enough Hillary for him.

[FrenchieCat]

237. That last name? Obama Bye? Can't have it.

Plus he reminds me of Alfafa.....gives off the perception of a weak candidate!

[Overseas]

294. Boring and pretty.

[ContinentalOp]

2. JOE BIDEN

[hisownpetard]

35. His teeth are too white.

[gateley]

39. Preferable to McCain's too yellowish gray teeth.

[hisownpetard]

117. Definitely! (But the OP was asking for negative comments, so I tried to oblige).

[gateley]

127. Yeah, I realized that after I'd broken the rules. :) nt

[JimGinPA]

76. He's Just Tanned & Ready

B-)

[cliffordu]

136. Two words: Hair plugs.

[elleng]

271. Two words:

Who cares?

[jillan]

277. To go along with his silver tongue.

No one can give a better lashing than Biden....
just ask Rudy.

[gateley]

37. Unsurpassed in Foreign Relations expertise. Would hand McCain his lunch. nt

[ContinentalOp]

40. Come on now, let's keep it negative

:+

[gateley]

48. Then I'll have to go with the teeth. Can't think of any other negs for Biden. nt

[damndude]

175. what about the accusations

of plagiarism from the '80s

[newmajority]

199. How about the bankruptcy bill?

yeah, all the credit card companies are "based" in Delaware, but it's not like they were in danger of going broke from their usury as it was.

That's my biggest problem with Joe. Apart from the "two Senators on a ticket is suicide" thing.

[MercutioATC]

52. Negatives ONLY. Stick to the rules.

[gateley]

53. I fucked up! I didn't read the rules closely enough. I promise to be negative from here on out. nt

[MercutioATC]

57. I was just jealous. I wanted to post good things about Schweitzer.

:)

[gateley]

62. ...

I just deleted my pro-Schweitzer post. :( (Another one I posted before you guys told me I wasn't playing by the rules.) Can't bring myself to delete a pro Biden one, though. :7

[hokies4ever]

61. But do you reject and denounce yourself?

That seems to be the going rate for apologies these days. :rofl:

[gateley]

64. Yes. Reject AND denounce. One or the other just doesn't cut it.

:7

[hokies4ever]

85. How can we trust someone who won't even stand up for herself?

:rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

51. No war voters on the ticket.

[FrenchieCat]

238. I agree......

We have to be able to hit McCain hard. Can't do that with a handicap like someone who was as gullible as McCain voting for that damn war.

Plus his state his too small, Yankiee from an already reliably Blue state, and he's a senator and has been in Washington since he was 29.

[jonestonesusa]

280. No only did he vote for the war...

he did an abysmal job in chairing the pre-war senate hearings, as I remember. A more thorough effort there may have prevented the war.

[hokies4ever]

96. Seems to be gaffe-prone

No doubt he would say something he regretted on the campaign trail as V.P. again.

[faithfulcitizen]

104. may not be able to deliver a state. (born in PA, but ?)

[XemaSab]

128. He's a senator

Obama's going to need EVERY dem senator. :shrug:

[Barack_America]

137. Has a slight gaffe issue.

Though I appreciate that he speaks his mind, this could cause some problems.

[cascadiance]

143. His bankruptcy bill votes and ties to the CC companies are too much for me!

I want someone that will work with Obama in leading us to take down the corporatocracy, not be someone that enables it like he has in the past.

[WheelWalker]

179. They used his experience against him.

[rove karl rove]

old plagarism charges will resuface

DE's a small state, the hair (again) and his previous comments (clean enough) might still have an aftertaste.

[TheDonkey]

222. Great speaker, excellent attack dog, sharp and larger than life. He should be considered

[musicblind]

230. Republicans may try and frame him as an "elitist"

and there is his one infamous gaffe.

Also a senator.

Other than that :shrug: Biden seems like a good guy, what can I say.

[rucky]

252. No Senators.

as much as I LOVE Joe.

A Senate/Senate ticket is not a winner.

[butterfly77]

287. The right one...

[Overseas]

295. Important voice in the senate.

[ContinentalOp]

3. MIKE BLOOMBERG

[hisownpetard]

36. Too short.

[hokies4ever]

110. Sounds like a classic flip-flopper

Can't even decide what party he is in.

[dailykoff]

177. Terra profiteer, major.

Succeeded rudy in that 911-postponed mayoral race and more importantly, started building a GINORMOUS midtown highrise the second the towers fell. Hmm..

[rove karl rove]

185. former Republican, can't be trusted

Obama will do well in NY overall, in particular NYC, Bloomberg would provide little stability to the ticket. Flop one way, he could flop back.

[butterfly77]

288. Exactly..

[scheming daemons]

194. America isn't ready for a closeted gay VP

[Drunken Irishman]

327. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

[Genevieve]

328. He's not gay.

nt

[Overseas]

301. Big Money-- far from populist.

[ContinentalOp]

4. SHERROD BROWN

[MercutioATC]

68. He's my Senator and he's a great guy. I just don't see what he would bring to the ticket.

[PM7nj]

116. Ohio?

Maybe?

[NorthCarolina]

256. I could REALLY get behind an Obama/Brown ticket

Sherrod Brown is my kind of Progressive Legislator, plus he comes from the important swing state of OH.

[tekisui]

282. Sitting Senator. We need to keep him there.

[Overseas]

296. Glad to have his progressive voice in the senate.

[ContinentalOp]

5. WESLEY CLARK

[hokies4ever]

59. Never been elected to public office

Therefore probably a big hole in his stances on various social and cultural issues. Exactly how liberal or conservative is he?

[Ilsa]

65. He's been really openminded about gays in the military, "knew" but didn't tell,

no issues with women in the military. He sees war and violence as a failure of diplomacy. He's pro-choice. There was a pic of him on the cover of a gay-oriented magazine in 2004. I can't remember the name of it. I've ever heard any negative stories about him and minorities or any specific groups when he was running for president before. He's been out stumping for just about any Democratic candidate if they were running against a Republican.

[hokies4ever]

77. I kind of like him too, but he's still never been elected to public office.

Does he support partial-birth abortion? Affirmative action? Gun control?

When you're elected to public office, you're essentially forced to weigh in on where you stand on a lot of these issues. Nobody knows where Wesley Clark stands on these issues. The best we could get from him now is just to ask him what he thinks of these positions, but that's still very risky. Often times a candidate's personal beliefs don't mesh well with their public record.

[Ilsa]

263. He was vetted for those issues in 2004.

To the best of my memory from his website and the interviews about him, he is pro-choice. He was more conservative on PBA, citing "only if the life of the mother is at risk," but he's seems thoughtful enough to understand that it is necessary in cases of severe fetal abnormalities. He was endorsed by Michael Moore among other liberal candidates. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-01-14 He is also very affirmative action-oriented from what I remember.

He got an "A" rating from the NRA, IIRC, but he also said, "if you want an assault weapon we have a uniform and two shiny pairs of boots for you in the United States Army." CNN said his position is "Close gun show loophole; ban assault weapons; use gun-buying data."

According to this website, he is a populist leaning liberal. He is plotted on the bottom on the page in the left quadrant.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Wesley_Clark.htm
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/issues/index.clark.html


True, we don't know how someone is going to vote on an issue until they are in office, but alot of these issues don't arise at a local level below state govt. HE has shown his liberal attitude towards social issues while a leader in the Army. He seemed very progressive when I was reading about him in 2004. Seemed that he really loves his country. I hope this helps.

[derby378]

332. Clark's position on gun control makes him unsuitable as VP

The Texas Democratic Party just affirmed that the Second Amendment guarantees an "individual right" to keep and bear arms. This does not mesh well with Clark's position on guns that have legally been in civilian hands for a hundred years.

[Ilsa]

339. Then how did he get an A rating from NRA? I think he was against

automatic weapons and felt that the gun show loophole should be closed.

[Tinksrival]

107. Advocate

[Tinksrival]

81. Did you know he ran for President?

He has a position on everything!

This guy says compared to him Wes Clark is dirty!

[hokies4ever]

90. McCain ran for President in 2000 you know

The McCain running for President in 2008 wouldn't recognize the McCain of 2000.

This still is a negative you know. Sure, one could argue that he defined a lot of his positions back in 2004. But he could just as easily define them now in 2008. There is always a difference between rhetoric and record though.

[Tinksrival]

102. Here is Clark on the issues!

http://www.clark04.com/issues/

:bounce:

[hokies4ever]

106. Rhetoric vs. record

I'm not trying to hate on him, but this is supposed to be a vetting thread. Hillary tried to paint Obama as not being completely pro-choice earlier in the primary season, claiming he was only about big speeches. His political record backed him up and shut down the criticism immediately.

[Ilsa]

60. Liberals are upset over his endorsement of the School of the Americas

which trains central and south american troops for ... what?? Most people don't even know what this School of the Americas is.

Other than that, I really, really like the man. He's brilliant, speaks multiple languages, doesn't have homophobia, treats women and minorities well, understands economics, running large organizations, foreign policy, warfare, the military, etc. He looks great and has a wonderful smile. His only physical shortcoming is that he isn't tall.

[Tinksrival]

97. FYI.....for anyone interested

http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2006/12/wes_clark_and_the_soa_schools.html

Wes Clark and the SOA (Schools of Americas)

Some would wish to saddle Wes Clark with the total ridiculous credit for being the sole supporter and abater of the SOA based on his one year stint in 1996-97 as CICEUR, then it would be fair and appropos that he then be also given all of the credit for all of the positive changes in Latin America in them being more to the left than even America currently (more leftists have been elected and govern there than ever before!). In fact, 1996 was the year many revelations were made on the SOA and the year that changes were requested and later granted. if we're gonna go way out there, might as well be all emcompassing in everyway imaginable!

Do these same people know that Clark did not institute the SOA (which was established back in the 40s)? Do they know that it is congress that funds it? Do they know that it was while Wes Clark was CIC that reforms were done there? Do they know that the worse abuse in Latin America by those who may have graduated from the SOA occurred in the '60, '70 and '80s way before Clark's time? Do they know that Wes Clark is not responsible for the SOA and has stated that if anyone can point to abuses there, if he were President, he would shut it down? Do all of the "left" anti SOA peeps know that maybe what they should also concentrate on are the human abuses going on in China and in Iraq and many other p, as opposed to this old Red Herring always pulled out and slammed into Wes Clark's face as though he really is more responsible for its existence than all those folks in the senate, the house and the executive branch....while Wes Clark never had a vote? They must not know any of these things, otherwise same folks would be busy writing their senators and congressional representatives telling them to defund the school.

>>>.much more at link!

[PATRICK]

259. My main complaint

is that he is a real believer in American foreign policy and engagement and much of the Clinton approach who sees how Bush has been incompetent corrupt or ruined things but not called into question the whole wonkish ball of wax. That will not hurt him at all on the campaign trail but will add a big voice in cabinet meetings to the danger zone.

Voice sounds like George Bush. Seasoned but bluntly fearless speaker. Hasn't been tripped up yet by media, but will he know how to adapt to the VP political role and its innate powerlessness?

Enemies in the military. The Bosnian air raids.

This is a great post BTW in that it so far has the magic of not creating DU hatreds or fodder for the GOP or descend into the personal life dirt.

It is changing my mind on a lot of choices. Clark is looking very good(or in the spirit of the post, the least bad?) and I'd rather he be VP than Secretary of State. Need more on Kane.

[faithfulcitizen]

111. this hurts me... Obama/Clark will be called "untested","uncertain" or "too experimental"

[XemaSab]

131. He's a DLC'er

who has less experience in elected office than Obama. :shrug:

[democrat2thecore]

132. I like Clark - but what never truly came out before was......

He was a loose cannon as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and was actually relieved of duty early due to some serious breech of military protocol. His temper rivals that of McCain. We're vetting - so there you go.

[rove karl rove]

191. Clark's still a political ?

That was four years ago, he's still know more as a general than a politican. Experimental, risky choice, comes off as naive poltically. And his home state is an EC dud for Obama.

[rucky]

253. Kinda dry. Already disagreement w/ Obama on FoPo (Iran)

[Adelante]

258. Cenk Uygar, Young Turks, comments on Wes Clark as VP

He's impressed, I'd say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHEYcHmNDX0

[Bullet1987]

273. Haven't had a General go straight to the White House

since Dwight Eisenhower...and he was a General during World War II for crying out loud. Generals haven't had much political clout in over 100 years really (with regards to the Presidency).

[Overseas]

293. Looks too slim and clean and neat. /end

[ContinentalOp]

6. HILLARY CLINTON, JOHN EDWARDS, JOHN KERRY, AL GORE, BILL CLINTON

Let's not bother with them for obvious reasons ;)

[faithfulcitizen]

105. right, been there, done that

[XemaSab]

134. I think you should call out Edwards and Kerry seperately

Clinton, Gore, and Clinton... I think we all know what we think of them, be it positive of negative. :P

(I'm saying this 'cause I don't like Edwards, but (aside from being a terrific asset to the senate) I think Kerry would be an interesting choice for VP.)

[ContinentalOp]

174. I originally included Clinton and almost included Edwards and Kerry

But then I thought better of it and edited the Clinton post to list all of those people. I don't think any of them are very likely and they have all been prominent presidential candidates so we all know a lot about them.

I didn't want the thread to turn into a rehash of past primary grudges. I wanted to foster a new round of negativism so that new grudges can emerge. :evilgrin:

I kid of course. The point is, I don't know very much about a lot of these people and I'm sure others are in the same position. You hear about somebody who sounds perfect and then you find out that they once donated money to NAMBLA or something. I thought it might be useful to get all of the bad stuff out there in the open and organized on one central thread.

[XemaSab]

186. I am enjoying this thread

I'm hearing your rationale, but nevertheless, picking a person to round out the ticket is a different animal in every election.

An Obama/Clark ticket is a totally different thing than a Biden/Clark ticket, as surely as an Obama/Hillary ticket, an Obama/Sebilius ticket, and a Hillary/Sebilius ticket are different things. No? :shrug:

[ContinentalOp]

203. Go ahead and add them at the end of the thread.

I don't want to be responsible for the results :hide:

:P

[hokies4ever]

242. No need, this is a vetting thread

and these candidates already have enough popularity to know about them.

[Overseas]

297. Clintons no thank you dynasty factor.

[mvd]

324. I'll take Hillary, though I think she'd be a good choice

- Senator
- Sniper fire misstatement
- Might bring back 90s baggage
- We will win NY anyway

[ContinentalOp]

7. TOM DASCHLE

[newmajority]

67. Lost the Senate in 2002 due to his weak performance as Majority Leader

And I wouldn't vote for Harry Reid either.

[hokies4ever]

78. Couldn't even carry SD for Obama in the primaries

[faithfulcitizen]

112. or for himself.

[rove karl rove]

213. old news, whiny voice

SD isn't worth the effort, which would probably fail, poor leadership skills in the past, political foresight.

[Overseas]

298. Agree. Sadly namby pamby style.

[TheDonkey]

216. one of the worst choices possible

ineffective in the Senate. Little charisma. Does little to bring electoral votes over. Not an attack dog. Doesn't add anything to the ticket that Obama doesn't have.

[ContinentalOp]

8. CHRIS DODD

[newmajority]

72. Two senators on the ticket = McLoon landslide/ "northeast Liberal" tag from the Whore Media

Definitely a strong candidate for Senate Majority Leader though.

[faithfulcitizen]

115. senator from blue state

[Overseas]

299. Agree. Appreciate his voice in the senate.

[rove karl rove]

215. policy wonk, blue home state

and yet another senator,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Strawman]

279. Too damn smart sounding!

Would a "Scots-Irish" "NASCAR dad" "wanna have a beer with" Chris Dodd?

:sarcasm:

[ContinentalOp]

9. CHUCK HAGEL

[ContinentalOp]

29. Republican

[ccharles000]

33. Repubs suck.

[tinrobot]

138. Owns a voting machine company.

[scheming daemons]

195. This is an ADVANTAGE..... sheesh... do you want to win?

;-)

[cascadiance]

204. Not by cheating!

[scheming daemons]

232. I'd rather someone on OUR side oversaw the voting machines.....

[cascadiance]

233. When he first got elected to the Senate, it was viewed as very suspicious

That his control of the voting machine company then didn't have something to do with him getting elected.

Even if he isn't involved with cheating, just having that bad halo over his head is bad enough.

If you're talking about someone who's been those trying to examine how bad they are like Brad Friedman, or Clint Curtis, then I might feel that it would be a plus. Not sure that I'd be ready to declare them as VP candidates though.

I think Hagel would be far better as Secretary of Defense, coupled with Dennis Kucinich as Secretary of Peace. That would be a decent "bipartisan" combo to handle future conflicts, and we wouldn't have a Republican next in line to the presidency, which frankly scares me.

[rove karl rove]

201. too much of a McCain clone

wrong party, uncharismatic, old - would only add to the ticket's CiC credentials, loose cannon, McCain-ish, heh.

[TheDonkey]

218. I do not want him anywhere near the WH. Still a convervative rethug

would not support the Democratic platform from the stump....

[mvd]

326. Would disagree on too many policies

[ContinentalOp]

10. LEE HAMILTON

[newmajority]

74. Co chair of the 9-11 Whitewash

The "Warren Commission" of the 21st century. :puke:

[Overseas]

300. I agree that rules him out. Strongly.

[PM7nj]

118. Older than McCain.

He's 77.

[ContinentalOp]

11. JAMES JONES

[newmajority]

79. Given the "Obama Cult" meme started by uhhhhh... supporters of a certain former candidate

I don't think a VP named "Jim Jones" would work.

BTW, who the Hell is this Jones guy anyway?

[TheDonkey]

219. interesting option. Would like to know more about him and his ideas on policy

domestic and foreign.

[ContinentalOp]

12. TIM KAINE

[Barack_America]

43. The Republican Lt. Gov. would take over for a year...

Though apparently he is disinterested in running for a full term.

Kaine has also gone on record as having a "faith-based opposition" to abortion, though he has supported Roe v. Wade.

He's my pick for VP, so I figured I might as well come right out with the negatives.

[ContinentalOp]

45. Thanks, that's the spirit!

Get all of the negative stuff out in the open on one thread without any hard feelings or negative intentions.

[Hippo_Tron]

99. Honestly I could care less about his faith based opposition to abortion

I don't need politicians to philosophically justify a woman's right to choose. I just want them to support it.

[Barack_America]

114. So, specifically his record is...

That he has voted against the so-called "partial birth" abortions, which doesn't concern me so much considering so many Dems were essentially forced to.

I find Kaine's abortion position to be his biggest drawback, and the biggest issue I have with it is this, he supports parental consent laws. But he is also against (and I believe has stopped state funding for) abstinence-only sexual education. That's a plus.

But it doesn't seem that he's made his "philosophical" pro-life position into much of a political issue and I'm sure that he'll be more than happy to jump on board Obama's pro-choice platform.

[Barack_America]

103. Here's a link to a recent video of Kaine in action.

I think he handles himself quite well.

http://www.foxnews.com/fns/

[Stop Cornyn]

169. Tim Kaine helps us win VA without costing us a seat in the Senate like choosing Webb or Warner would

[Overseas]

323. Too exciting? Great guy who won't cost us a seat ?

[TheDonkey]

220. one of the top picks. Could make some states competitive like VA, NC, OH, MO

likable and LOYAL guy.

[ContinentalOp]

13. JANET NAPOLITANO

[newmajority]

80. Would doom her state to the rule of a despotic neocon

Apparently the Secretary of State is a real piece of work, and she would take Janet's place. I'd have to avoid Arizona for a long time, and I really don't want that :evilfrown:

[faithfulcitizen]

119. Obama/Napolitano, now that's a mouthful.

[Overseas]

318. Agree. And agree we need her as a fabulous governor there.

[XemaSab]

135. Is she REALLY going to help us with Arizona?

I hate to be so disgustingly pragmatic, but I think we can give Arizona to McCain, and outside Arizona, I think a lot of people will just consider her a token candidate, and the Obama/Napolitano ticket a token candidacy. :shrug:

[cascadiance]

140. And if they DID win, then it would give someplace for McCain to go to do more damage...

(aka running for governor to replace her!)

[ContinentalOp]

14. BILL NELSON

[tkmorris]

69. Dino, warmonger, all around ass

[butterfly77]

289. My sentiments exactly..

[Buck Rabbit]

333. You're far too kind to him.

[hokies4ever]

95. Not exactly good at getting rid of the elitist label

Just my opinion. Seems like more of a thinker than a doer when I've seen him in action on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

[faithfulcitizen]

120. talks like an animatronic character from Disney World. Hey, maybe he is?

[cascadiance]

167. He believes Hillary will get it...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/senators-say-whether-theyd-agree-to-be-vice-president-2008-05-12.html

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
“If Hillary’s the nominee, Barack will be the running mate. If Barack’s the nominee, Hillary will be the running mate. That’s my answer.”

[ContinentalOp]

15. SAM NUNN

[ccharles000]

30. Homophobic asswipe.

Many GLBT people would hate for him to be VP. I am gay and I would think twice about Obama if he picks Nunn.

[LordJFT]

154. yep and also considered running as independent saying democrats had moved too far to the left

[terrya]

247. Seriously pissing off the LGBT Democrats.

For some, that would be a deal breaker to just stay home in November. And quite honestly, I wouldn't blame them.

Nunn as VP would make a mockery out of everything positive Obama has said about LGBT Americans.

It's astounding that Nunn is even being considered.

[rove karl rove]

205. DINO blast from the past

couldn't deliever his home state, out of the political limelight too long, too nerdy

[Overseas]

314. Sleeeepy. (or was that Sneezy?)

Sorry. I know he has his own expertise.

[musicblind]

231. Homophobic. Absolutely not a reasonable option for VP because of this.

Homophobia is totally unacceptable no matter WHAT!

[mvd]

322. No charisma at all, no more liberal than Lieberman,

not good for a "change" ticket.

[ContinentalOp]

16. JACK REED

[newmajority]

88. Who?

I think that response speaks for itself, really.

[ContinentalOp]

178. Beats me.

I googled around for various names that the media was putting out there. I don't know who the majority of these people are. :shrug:

[TwilightGardener]

262. West Point grad, former Army officer, Harvard grad, in his third term in the Senate--

quiet and low-key, but smart and not gaffe-prone. I likes him--he's one of my top picks.

[Overseas]

320. Rhode Island? And don't we need our Dem Sens to stay where they are?

[ContinentalOp]

17. BILL RICHARDSON

[MercutioATC]

28. One of the worst speakers I have ever heard. VERY weak/borderline simpering speaker.

[Overseas]

312. I've been sad about that too.

[hokies4ever]

54. Questionable in the attack dog role and in debates.

The 'Judas' comment did seem to rile him up a little bit though.

[faithfulcitizen]

124. more like Lassie. Plus 2 minority 1st's?

[gateley]

55. Rumors about zipper stories. nt

[hokies4ever]

109. I do NOT want to know the details

so thanks for not including them! :rofl:

[gateley]

125. Don't know 'em,

but have read (here on DU) that it's pretty well known in his State. So, thought I'd post it in the spirit of the thread. If it is true, the Reps would have a heyday.

[faithfulcitizen]

123. huh? ala "Something about Mary"?

[XemaSab]

139. That's a very BROWN ticket

I think the real racists will not vote for Obama in the first place, but a Black man and a person with Mexican ancestry? Might be a little too much for a lot of people. :shrug:

(FWIW, he's in my top three... I really like the guy. :) )

[Prophet 451]

210. Hispanic

Having two minorities on the ticket might alarm some conservative-leaning independents. I like him though.

[cascadiance]

227. But it would bring more hispanics to the ticket...

Especially in Florida, where that might be helpful in that problematic state.

[Prophet 451]

234. True but which would be higher?

Of course, we're also both assuming that simply having a Hispanic man on the ticket would help with Hispanic voters.

[galledgoblin]

236. Great Lakes Water Wars

he's on record as supportive of piping the water from the Great Lakes to the southwest.

[hokies4ever]

243. WTF kind of suggestion is that?

Are you serious? That's even worse than the gas tax holiday! Siphoning the Great Lakes to give more water to southwest USA? :rofl:

[Muttocracy]

269. yes - think he backtracked on it.

I say no way while they're putting golf greens and fountains in Las Vegas and elsewhere in the desert.

[Bullet1987]

272. Obama will double his race problems by naming a Hispanic

as his VP. That's just the God's honest truth. It's not about ignoring a "bigot vote"...it's about people's fears and the GOP's attempts to build them up.

[ContinentalOp]

18. TIM ROEMER

[newmajority]

63. DLC, pro-coverup apologist

No thanks.

[Overseas]

302. Does seem too old school. Agree on cover-up taint.

[thatsrightimirish]

86. i believe he is pro life

would kill us with women

[ContinentalOp]

19. BRIAN SCHWIETZER

[MercutioATC]

25. If you believe "experience" is an issue, he doesn't bring "experience" to the ticket.

[ContinentalOp]

26. He's a pro-coal evangelist

[MercutioATC]

91. Hey! Aren't you supposed to remain neutral?

:P

[ContinentalOp]

184. No, I was trying to help throw some negative research in here too.

I don't actually have a favorite at the moment.

[MercutioATC]

200. Well, look at the "pro-coal evangelist" after you've seen green clean coal evaluations...

If you sequester the CO2, what's the environmentalist objection to clean coal?

[ContinentalOp]

207. I don't know. I've been trying to research that.

It was actually the reason I started this thread. I was reading about him and thought he sounded perfect until I found out about the coal thing.

I watched a very interesting youtube video where he spoke convincingly in favor of the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VS6gV7EtH0

But then I also read this article on the other side
http://www.truthout.org/article/clean-coal-why-is-nobody-buying-it

So I haven't made up my mind at this point.

[XemaSab]

147. Like Obama isn't?

:P

(My ONLY problem with Obama... for series.)

[dansolo]

248. Is that supposed to be a negative?

[gateley]

34. Self Delete - I didn't follow instructions. nt

[hokies4ever]

108. You messing up again gateley?

One more strike and you're out! :rofl:

[gateley]

126. Sheesh - really.

Not bad enough that I did it once, but no, I had to work my way down the thread compounding my egregious error. Story of my life.

[hisownpetard]

168. Oh, I've got your number, gately. You're trying to make it look like it is SO out of character for

you to say something negative that you just can't pull it off, hard as you try.

Little gately-two-shoes!

[gateley]

202. Really? Is that what I'm doing?

Did I piss you off or something?

[hisownpetard]

209. No! I was making a negative joke, in keeping with the theme of the thread.

:hi:

[gateley]

217. Good!

:hi:

[faithfulcitizen]

130. only been Governor a few years.

[XemaSab]

144. Might be a little too conservative/libertarian for a lot of the far left

He REEKS of good old boy, and that will win some people and lose some people. :shrug:

(I also really like him... but I would have to know his stance on the ACOE Interim Arid West Supplement before endorcing him fully. :P )

[dansolo]

249. The far left will not like anyone then

That isn't specific to Schweitzer. Schweitzer is extremely progressive, and has demonstrated that he is more than willing to push a progressive position on the Republicans instead of doing the DLC-type triangulation.

[Phoonzang]

266. Wears a bolo tie

.........yeah that's about all I can think of. I say he's the best choice.

[Overseas]

313. Lumberjack look is rather fresh and American

[ContinentalOp]

21. KATHLEEN SEBELIUS

[Barack_America]

38. Not going to carry her home state. Weakest so far in the head-to-head matchups.

Possibly due to some lingering "if not Hillary, then no woman" resentment?

(don't shoot the messenger, pundits are kicking this idea around)

Pretty boring State of the Union response.

ETA: Otherwise, she pretty much kicks ass.

[mystieus]

47. #1 on the list. Picking her is not about Kansas but someone who is closes to Obama philosophy

[MercutioATC]

71. Negatives only, please.

If I don't get to sell my pick here, neither do you.

:P

[hokies4ever]

56. Could possibly energize the conservative base with her pro-choice views

Possibly the most pro-choice candidate on this list. I think she vetoed some legislation that tried to restrict third trimester abortions. O'Reilly even did an episode about her around a year and a half ago in which he sarcastically remarked that he's glad that he won't be her on judgment day.

[tkmorris]

73. After hearing her speak, voters will oversleep and miss election

[hokies4ever]

83. Her son made a board game about prison rape

I normally wouldn't include family members in the vetting process, but this one was a little disturbing.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-klein30mar30,0,2240882.story

""Don't Drop the Soap," a board game created by the son of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas. The game "is simply intended for entertainment," said Nicole Corcoran, the governor's spokeswoman. What, after all, could be more entertaining then trying to "avoid being cornered by the Aryans in the shower room" (one of the goals of the game, according to its promotional material)?"

If her son gets anywhere near the media, it won't be pretty.

[MercutioATC]

89. Oh, shit! I forgot about that! And she said she was proud of his creativity...

I guess that's a strike...

[hokies4ever]

94. She'll need to send her son on an extended vacation or something

if she wants that V.P. spot. :rofl:

[Overseas]

305. Seems a bit too gentle. People think polite = soft already with BHO

[ContinentalOp]

22. TED STRICKLAND

[MercutioATC]

32. What does he bring to the table except more votes in Ohio?

I wouldn't bet on him "delivering" Ohio in November.

[Barack_America]

46. Has stated that under no circumstances would he accept the VP spot.

That's a pretty significant negative! ;)

[PM7nj]

122. Bobble head.

:shrug:

[faithfulcitizen]

129. Shame on you Ted!

[Overseas]

329. A bit bland in appearance.

[ContinentalOp]

23. MARK WARNER

[newmajority]

82. In the words of Public Enemy: "Don't believe the hype"

This guy is a typical, boring DLC'er. Brings nothing to the ticket.

[tekisui]

283. Need that Senate seat in VA.

[Overseas]

316. Too much with both sets of teeth grinning in their slim physiques in photos

Or would that actually be a dynamic interplay of imagery? But I agree that we need him to get that senate seat.

[ContinentalOp]

24. JIM WEBB

[ContinentalOp]

27. He was apparently against women in the military

[hokies4ever]

93. Didn't he write an entire book about it?

The women appeal might dissipate.

[ContinentalOp]

41. Said some potentiallly awkward things about the confederacy

[XemaSab]

155. Knows a little too much about teh Scots-Irish

for a lot of the patrician class to feel comfortable. :P

[dailykoff]

181. PNAC signatory.

Heard it here, haven't independently verified.

[Prophet 451]

212. If true, that should rule him out straight away n/t

[cascadiance]

192. He said "I’m not really interested. That’s all I want to say."

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/senators-say-whether-theyd-agree-to-be-vice-president-2008-05-12.html

[CitizenLeft]

197. I like him, but... remember that paragraph in one of his books...

...where a Vietnamese father kisses his sons penis as an act of fatherly love (totally non-sexual)? It has been explained about the ancient cultural significance of this, but the right wing would go ballistic all over again about this, and twist it into shapes we can't even imagine yet.

[LaStrega]

31. Judge Judy

[ContinentalOp]

44. "Decried needle exchange advocates as "liberal morons.""

According to wikipedia. Evidently she said:
"no point talking about how best to approach the problem since the solution is simple. Give them dirty needles, and let them die. I don't understand why we think it's important to keep them alive."

Bring 'em on! We can vet <i>anyone</i>!

[gateley]

50. Wears really cheesy lacy-doily collar things. nt

[Milo_Bloom]

49. RICHARD CLARKE!

[rucky]

254. He was right about 9/11, and nobody likes a know-it-all?

:shrug:

[Strawman]

274. His expertise is too narrow

And do we even know what his political beliefs are outside of counterterrorism policy?

[Milo_Bloom]

292. Read his books.

He has made most of his views quite clear on a number of issues.

Keep in mind he has also been a huge supporter of Obama and a key member of his team throughout the campaign.

[Duder]

58. CAROLINE KENNEDY

[hokies4ever]

66. Never elected to public office

Therefore not much evidence of her political leanings. How liberal is she?

[Duder]

75. The Earl of Stirling likes her...

'Caroline Kennedy, on the other hand, would be a totally fantastic choice. She is both an outside Washington "change we can believe in" person, yet one linked to the Kennedy Camelot years. She is, in fact, the last of the Camelot children after her brother John's death. She would appeal to women, to young people, to working class voters (the "bread and butter" of the Kennedy political machines for over 40 years), to Catholics, to Jews (her husband Edwin is Jewish), to all of those of us 50 and above who remember the Camelot years. Caroline is a well educated attorney and editor with an American background linked to both far better times and to a America that has traditional high moral standards. She is Jack and Jackie's daughter and heir.

Her selection would be a totally fantastic choice that would electrify the coming election.'

[hokies4ever]

92. A lot of claims with little evidence to back them up

Sure it's easy to suggest that she will win over these voter blocks, but without polls it's not a very strong argument.

[cascadiance]

180. She'd be accused of "doing a Cheney"

Since, like Cheney was for Bush, she's heading up the search committee for Obama.

[Robeson]

70. Joe Lieberman! I dare anyone find a negative about this true patriot....

...:D

[newmajority]

84. Refuses to work on Saturdays!

Lazy son of a bitch :hide:

[MercutioATC]

87. I'll play. The absolute WORST public speaker I have ever heard.

He makes Bush sound pleasant.

I think his whiny voice is a direct result of having his head lodged so firmly up his own ass.

[hisownpetard]

171. Forehead too wide to fit in a normal car, must drive a Hummer.

[cascadiance]

176. He says he's "happy with his t-shirt" and doesn't want it...

One of the few things that he's said that I agree with in terms of him saying no., though I'm not proud of him wearing it!

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.)
“Once is enough. I already have the T-shirt and I’m proud of it. I yield to my colleagues.”

[Raine]

235. JOEMENTUM, it could be all ours...

Oh gee. :rofl:

[ecstatic]

121. OPRAH WINFREY

[tinrobot]

141. From Illinois. You can't have two candidates from the same state.

[ContinentalOp]

190. Has illegitimate child with Dave Chapelle

[Strawman]

275. lol

:rofl:

[rove karl rove]

198. too "pop-culture", thereby dismissable

would be seen as a total newb, would be accused of cashing in politically on her celebrity. Not trained on how to campaign, just on how to host a talkshow. And, Chicago, yes.

[democrat2thecore]

133. GOV. ED RENDELL

Another possibility.....

[hokies4ever]

142. "conservative whites not ready for a black President"

'Nuff said.

[hokies4ever]

145. Clearly has stated that he doesn't want the V.P. spot

[Barack_America]

148. He'd take it.

Trust me.

But I actually hadn't heard that.

[hokies4ever]

152. He's said it many times

One time in particular that stands out was during an interview on MSNBC. He said that even if Obama came to him and asked him to join, he would convince him to choose someone else.

[Barack_America]

160. I heard that interview.

That wasn't saying "I don't want it". That was saying, "There must be somebody better than little old me!"

Rendell's an opportunist through and through. He'd take it.

[Barack_America]

146. DLC.

Also known as a bit of a crook here in PA. A bit shady.

[hokies4ever]

149. Louis Farrakhan

Sat silently while Hillary tried to link Obama to Farrakhan, even though there's a much stronger link between Rendell and Farrakhan.

[democrat2thecore]

159. ahhh....very good - had forgotten that! -nt

[FrenchieCat]

239. Here's the video........

He would sink the Democratic Ticket like real quick! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

[mvd]

315. Certainly not a good attack dog, yet..

has a temper anyway.

[Overseas]

330. Recent electioneering highlighted smarmy factor in his profile.

[cloudythescribbler]

150. BARBARA BOXER

[cloudythescribbler]

153. Yes, she's a senator who might be replaced by the Governator, & doesn't hail from a swing state nt

[XemaSab]

161. A Muslim and a Jew on the same ticket?

:shrug:










































:hide:

[cascadiance]

164. She's already voiced an opinion against this...

http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/05/13/vice-president-difi-or-vice-president-boxer/

U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.: “I’m not the right choice for the Democrats because they’re going to carry California. So they should really look elsewhere. And I can really help them right here in the Senate as chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee.

Interesting that the only saying "yes" on this page is DiFi... PULLEASE! We don't need DINO DiFi!

[cascadiance]

151. RUSS FEINGOLD

[LordJFT]

157. love the man but he's too liberal for 2008 and would probably only help with wisconsin

[cascadiance]

165. That's being defeatist!...

:) At least we won't have to worry about the "target on Obama's back" issue with Feingold as VP!

I think he'd help in a lot of midwestern states. I know he was very popular in Iowa up and until he said he wouldn't run for president after the 2006 elections.

[LordJFT]

170. I sure hope you're right

I was really pushing for him to run for president until he announced he wouldn't and he's the person I could get most excited about as v.p. If Obama decides he will help his electability and chooses him I will be ecstatic.

[hokies4ever]

241. He was one of my favorites before the primary season began

and I was disappointed that he decided not to run. It made me wonder if he had any skeletons in his closet.

[LordJFT]

260. I know part of the reason he cited was he didn't want people prying into his divorce

[harun]

257. Progressives would throw a world wide party if we could get Russ

on the ticket. But....

They would scare Average Joe in to thinking he is way too progressive for America. Also it is good having him in the Senate.

[tinrobot]

156. DENNIS KUCINICH

[LordJFT]

158. haha political suicide

[faithfulcitizen]

162. UFO.

[Prophet 451]

214. Ha, I wish n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

264. Would Render Our Ticket Dead And Buried The Second It Was Announced.

[Overseas]

309. Sad he's shoved aside too much just for his dorky looks

[mvd]

317. Big fan, but risky

Unfounded looney image that would be hard to shake.

[cloudythescribbler]

163. 2 CRITERIA for ALL candidates -- (a) did they EVER back the Iraq War Resolution, & (b) how much ...

... less than media-shutting-up foreign policy "experience" do they have?

on (a) it's also interesting to know whether they were silent/fudgy on IWR and Iraq, or what, and on (b) it needs to be the KINDS of foreign policy experience (eg Richardson, Graham, Boxer, Biden) that don't merely provide an argument in their favor, but actually CLAM THE MEDIA SNARKS UP.

[kster]

166. General Norman Schwarzkopf

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General Norman Schwarzkopf was responsible for the military actions taken in the Horn of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. Schwarzkopf was very worried about his plans to defeat Saddam’s military force. At this time, Saddam’s forces were ranked the world’s fourth largest army to the United States armed forces that were ranked seventh. The General wrote the President saying that every bit of information he received would be the most accurate, even if it was bad news. This was due to the history of the false information given to the President during Vietnam in an effort to please the President. The false information resulted in disastrous decisions during Vietnam, and Schwarzkopf did not want a repeat of this. He also gave frequent press conferences, and was nicknamed "Stormin' Norman." After the war, Schwarzkopf was made an honorary private first class in the French Foreign Legion. He was the first and the only American to be honored with this. A few of the other medals he has received are Defense Distinguished Service Medal and the Legion of Merit.

[ContinentalOp]

193. He's a McCain supporter

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/stormin_norman_schwarzkopf_goe.html

[kster]

228. Damn... Unbelievable ...

Thank you...There is something that is not right about this country and some of its people, I haven't figured it out yet, but I will. LOL

[cascadiance]

172. RFK, Junior

[ContinentalOp]

196. He was arrested for heroin possession and is pro-life.

[Strawman]

276. Questions about his endorsement of Clinton over Obama

and this is not fair, but his voice.

[Overseas]

311. Vocal cord problems-- hard to listen to too long

[Occam Bandage]

182. MICHELLE OBAMA

[cascadiance]

187. Hmm... Has Bill regretted not having Hillary as VP earlier instead of Al Gore?

[hokies4ever]

244. VP has little official power

I'm sure Gore didn't like watching Hillary ruin health care, an achievement I'm sure Gore wanted the Clinton administration to accomplish.

[Overseas]

331. Devoted to her young daughters.

[damndude]

183. RUSS FEINGOLD

discuss

[XemaSab]

188. Already posted

:P

[musicblind]

189. MIKE EASLEY

[tekisui]

284. He isn't really liked here in NC anymore.

He has gotten in some heat with deleted e-mails about the state's mental health program.

Also, he is weak, not a good attack dog.

[XemaSab]

206. JOHN KERRY

:shrug:

[ContinentalOp]

221. Voted for the IWR. Another Senator.

[mvd]

319. Been there, done that

Would have made a great President, though.

[Overseas]

325. Still uncomfortable about 2004 concession < 24 hours after polls closed.

[XemaSab]

208. JOHN EDWARDS

:shrug:

[rove karl rove]

211. uninterested, unmotivated

couldn't win his home state last time, hard to understand, family health problems, waffled a bit on the Obama endorsement.

[ContinentalOp]

223. Voted for the IWR. Another Senator.

[Overseas]

308. Handsome. Lovely hair.

[dailykoff]

224. HOWARD DEAN

Hell why not.

[ContinentalOp]

226. We probably need him in the DNC.

Maybe he's replaceable. I don't know that much about all of the insider party mechanics. But I think his 50 state strategy is a great thing and I don't want to take the risk of pulling him out of his current position.

[cascadiance]

225. BERNIE SANDERS

Hey, he's certainly as qualified and more preferable than Joeblow Lieberman!

[Magrittes Pipe]

255. I think having a socialist on the ticket will help us win in the Deep South.

The only reason they've gone GOP for the past 40 years is because all the Reds stay home on election day.

[cascadiance]

229. ROBERT WEXLER

Though he probably wouldn't help bring in the Armenian votes...

[Lilith Velkor]

261. "I enjoy cocaine because it's a fun thing to do."

[XemaSab]

334. I enjoy hookers because it's a fun thing to do.

:thumbsup:

[FrenchieCat]

240. GENERAL ZINNI

[Overseas]

307. General Zinni dot-com is interesting.

[ContinentalOp]

310. Obamazinni is fun to say.

Try saying it out loud a few times in a row.

[terrya]

250. GAVIN NEWSOME

Why not? :-)

[Overseas]

303. Two tall lanky dudes? Pomade?

[terrya]

306. But Newsom is one sexy man.

We haven't had a sexy Vice President for...well, a while.

[Lochloosa]

251. Rep. Adam Smith (Washington)

If Barak is about change and doing things differently, why not a new face?

Interesting Blog here:

http://bluenc.com/obama-veepstakes-(been-sitting-on-this-for-a-while)

Dark Horse: Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE), Mayor Michael Bloomberg (NY), Rep. Adam Smith (WA)
These are my long-shot picks. One Republican, one Independent who used to be a Democrat before he used to be a Republican, and one guy you’ve probably never heard of (yeah he’s not that Adam Smith). Hagel would certainly feed well into a message of new politics and have crossover appeal; he’s also had a lot of nice things to say about Obama recently. Bloomberg also has a lot of independent appeal (and billions of his own money to spread that appeal) but is still questionable. However I think the one that emerges here is Adam Smith. An early Obama backer and effective surrogate he’s shown he can handle himself well with the media. An effective campaigner he was able to turn a Republican district into a safe Democratic seat. As a long serving member of the House he has served on the Foreign Affairs and Armed Services Committee and is chair of the Subcommittee on Unconventional Threats (which might be handy if your administration was facing an unconventional threat like say…terrorism). This is a solid background on Foreign Policy that compliments Obama’s rather than overshadowing it. And what says “new politics” quite like picking someone that’s completely off the radar of the mainstream media?
Bracket Winner: Rep. Adam Smith

[newmajority]

267. Younger than Obama

He just doesn't look like it (43)

[PBS Poll-435]

265. LEE MERCER JR.

:shrug:

[newmajority]

268. All three

And that's all the objection I need up in my house with disease.

[PBS Poll-435]

270. He big appeal, to me, is his position on Jeb Bush

[ContinentalOp]

278. A SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS SO FAR

Here's a summary of the results so far. I tried to leave out stuff about people's voices, funny sounding names, or questions of style and just focus on their votes, statements, and verifiable facts from their past. I also left out some of the more strategy-oriented stuff like "doesn't add anything to the ticket" or "can't have two minorities." I also left out vague stuff that didn't cite a specific example (DLCer, DINO, warmonger, etc).

Let me know if you see any problems or omissions and I'll edit them.

EVAN BAYH
Pro-life
Voted for Bush tax cuts

JOE BIDEN
Accusations of plagarism
Supported the bankruptcy bill
Senator
Voted for IWR

MIKE BLOOMBERG
Former Republican
From a reliably blue state

SHERROD BROWN
Senator

WESLEY CLARK
Never been elected to public office
As NATO commander was relieved of duty early

TOM DASCHLE
Former Senator

CHRIS DODD
Senator

CHUCK HAGEL
Republican

LEE HAMILTON
Too old
Co-chair of 9/11 commission

JAMES JONES
Reminiscent of "Jim Jones"

TIM KAINE
Pro-choice but personally opposes abortion
Voted against "partial birth abortions"
Supports parental consent laws
Would be replaced by Republican Gov

JANET NAPOLITANO
Would leave AZ governorship open for a Republican

BILL NELSON

SAM NUNN
Big supporter of Don't Ask, Dont' Tell
Voted in favor of school prayer

JACK REED

BILL RICHARDSON
Supported the transfer of water from the Great Lakes to the Southwest

TIM ROEMER
Pro-life

BRIAN SCHWIETZER
Pro coal

KATHLEEN SEBELIUS
Her son created a board game about prison rape

TED STRICKLAND
Said that under no circumstances would he accept the vp spot

MARK WARNER

JIM WEBB
Against women in the military

RICHARD CLARKE

CAROLINE KENNEDY
Never elected to public office

ED RENDELL
Said "conservative whites not ready for a black President"
Has ties to Farrakhan

BARBARA BOXER
Senator
Has said she's not the right choice

RUSS FEINGOLD
Doesn't want people prying into his divorce

DENNIS KUCINICH
Says he saw a UFO

RFK JR
Arrested for heroin possession
Pro-life

MIKE EASLEY

BERNIE SANDERS
Socialist

ROBERT WEXLER

GENERAL ZINNI

GAVIN NEWSOM

ADAM SMITH

[ronnykmarshall]

281. SPIRO AGNEW

[cascadiance]

285. AARON BURR

[ronnykmarshall]

286. John Caldwell Calhoun

[terrya]

304. John Nance Garner

Of course, he was the one who said that "The Vice Presidency isn't worth a pitcher of warm piss", so that could disqualify him. That and the fact that he's been dead for several decades.

[TexasObserver]

338. I'll see your Aaron Burr, and raise you a Raymond Burr.

[Thrill]

290. I only want Kaine or Schweitzer

[Iceburg]

321. uhh ,,, Hillary is the ONLY one that brings something substantial to the table

I anxiously await the first, 2nd and nth misogynist replies.

Let's fast forward...x responses:
OK. I give, Any glossy card board cut-out of a woman will do. That's the ticket!!! We are after all the New Democratic party!

[ContinentalOp]

335. So you're saying that the other women who have been mentioned are nothing but cardboard cut-outs?

[JCMach1]

336. BOB GRAHAM (FL)

Former 2 term Gov.
Former Sen. Senator
Voted against IWR
Head of Sen. Intelligence Comm. (Nat. Sec. Cred)
Vocal critic of Bush admin.

Extremely popular in home state (could possibly carry it for the ticket)

[LaStrega]

337. on the Judge Judy comment ...

I forgot this: :sarcasm:

my bad.