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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:08 AM
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I am going to threaten to quit my job today...
because the owner decided to hire an asscarrot redneck racist bigot repuke, and the owner is a registered Democrat. Go figure that one out. Yesterday the first thing the asscarrot says to me is, "who are you voting for"? I said "You don't want to go there". He starts it up anyway and goes on to say that Obama is a Muslim and no president should go have talks with terrorists like "the guy in Iran" and that he "won't vote for no n****". I told him "WTF dude ...my best most loving friends are black". I asked him if he was listening to Rush Limpballz or Bill O Lielly and he said that he wasn't but it sure seems like he is. He doesn't use a computer so where else would he get those fucked up ideas? I am not going to even try to change his mind because he isn't worth my time. He was a butcher for Kroger for 20 years and never graduated from HS and is a Vietnam vet. Oh yea ..I asked him how that whole anti communist government policy war worked out for him since he shops at communist China's local Walmart store. Anyway, I came home and thought about it and decided that I could not work with or next to the asscarrot. I want the people who will vote for McLame to know that they are my enemy and I am not going to hide it anymore and they can take their repairs to someone else because I will not fix their shit anymore. I feel I should take a stand on my belief about this country and that we so desperately need to stop the repukes at any cost and end this fucked up war and get rid of these blood thirsty money hungry neocons and lobbyists.

So ...wish me luck because today I tell the owner that it's me or him.

Cheers,
L0oniX
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:12 AM
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1. Do you have a back-up job, or do you need to work? I'd think this
over carefully. Jobs are really hard to come by.

There's always the option of trying to educate, starting here-Fight The Smears:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6350840
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:19 AM
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13. My home is paid for and so are my vehicles.
I have enough in my checking account to pay off my credit cards and I have quite a few people bringing repairs to my home. It wont be a problem for me to quit my job.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:21 AM
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16. OK, good. I don't want to have to worry about you, too!
:hi:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:26 AM
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24. I will enjoy being able to take out my sail boat for a change.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:12 AM
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2. he's evangelical with his crackpot ideas and that's a Personnel issue
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 10:15 AM by crankychatter
I don't know how old you are but jobs don't grow on trees

maybe it's too late but volunteering to quit unless your boss does what YOU want and right now...

well, right or wrong, your boss may assert his authority...

think Obama... think diplomacy... think behavior modification

maybe that guy can be saved... I wouldn't hold my breath but it's a thought

I've seen people grow and change - it could happen and you could help

Edited to add: Think about what African American people have had to endure to survive... how they had to stand up and stare down the Devil with dignity and grace... battle for the Soul of America... think about what every Gay person must feel everytime some asshole starts cracking "jokes" on the job site, eh? You can't beat them ALL up... sometimes you have to educate them.

let these folks be your role models
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:13 AM
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4. Not only that.... if he puts his boss "on the spot", don't expect a good recommendation for your
next job.


You sound young. No person's opinions is worth sabotaging your career over.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:18 AM
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11. "No person's opinions is worth sabotaging your career over"
I don't know - I've purposefully gotten fired from a job because the boss/owner was a racist, sexist bigot. I told him more than once to no make ugly comments and nicknames for people, and finally could not take it.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:23 AM
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18. Let me rephrase.... no person's POLITICAL opinions are worth sabotaging your career over

Especially when the person in question is not in a supervisory role.


Everyone has co-workers who are assholes. You don't quit your job because a co-worker is wrong politically.

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:12 AM
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59. He's not an evangelical. I wish he were because I could use the bible to put him in his place.
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 11:12 AM by L0oniX
Most evangelicals don't know or even read their bible. I am not an evangelical but I do know the bible and several versions of it.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:13 AM
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3. That is a bad reason to quit a job
People shouldn't be hired according to their politics. They should get jobs based on merit. Perhaps the guy is good at what he does, and that's why he was hired.

We all have to put up with right-wing asshats at work. Just try not to talk politics with him.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:42 PM
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87. The asscarrot had quit before when I threatened to walk out because he was smoking in the store.
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onetwo Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:14 AM
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5. I've got just the thing.
www.fightthesmears.com
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:14 AM
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6. I had to work with right wing idiots for years.
I would not quit my job over it. Tell the bastard off and keep trucking.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:51 AM
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44. I called him a racist and bigot to his face and asked him if he'd like to be black and go try ...
to get a job from someone like him. These asscarrots never put themselves in anyone else's shoes.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:15 AM
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7. tell the owner that you want to work without getting hassled
do it professionally and the owner will do the right thing.

It gives the owner the chance to fire the idiot.
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:16 AM
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8. I'd reconsider
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 10:17 AM by sshan2525
If co-workers' politics was a criterion for where I chose to work, I'd be permanently unemployed. Ignore the asshole.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #8
49. Politics I can deal with. Ignorant racists repukes are intolerable. n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:16 AM
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9. Go about it a little more carefully....
Describe the language that this guy was using around you and his forcing political discussion on you. Make a case to your boss that he is making a hostile work environment for you.

Essentially, build your case to receive unemployment benefits, should the boss refuse to fire him and you decide to leave.

Good luck and sorry about the "asscarrot"!

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:57 AM
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48. It wont be the first time I have made threats to leave. The owner has always knuckled under....
before because he knows I am right and besides that without me he will be forced to close his store.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:16 AM
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10. don't say 'it's him or me'
tell the owner about the guy he hired.

Tell him he asked you how you were going to vote; that he talked refusing to vote for a n****
Point out to the owner that this guy is going to eventually get the owner sued for harassment, and that you are extremely uncomfortable, and feel threatened, working in the environment the new boss has created.

If the owner needs anymore prompting tell him you would feel less threatened if the new boss were to be removed.

If this guys character is news to the owner he might get rid of him.
If it's not news, he'll likely side with him and possibly reprimand him.

Let it play out and sue the fuck out of the owner if the guy turns around and retaliates.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #10
17. The owner already knows that the guy is racist and a repuke.
Sadly
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:31 AM
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28. Yeah, but he's not allowed to be all up in your workplace with racism and disease...
And your boss should do something about that.

Check your state's laws regarding hostile work environments.
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:18 AM
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12. Amazing.
He didn't even graduate from high school and Sen. Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, and somehow Sen. Obama is the "nigger"?

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:23 AM
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19. Indeed. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:40 AM
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34. It's the 'truth' of an old "joke."
"What do you call a black man who graduates at the top of his class at Harvard Law School?"
(I won't repeat it)

No matter the accomplishments, bigots will be blind.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:55 AM
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46. Indeed and that is why I wont even try to change that asscarrots mind.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:20 AM
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14. The use of the n, b, c word at my job = immediate discharge
where the hell do you work?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. I repair electronics at an organ keyboard store. n/t
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:45 AM
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68. So what the fuck does this guy bring to the business?
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 11:46 AM by snooper2
Being a butcher for 20 years :rofl:

On edit, not that being a butcher is a bad thing, think I might like that job...But going from cutting steaks to fixing organs :rofl:
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:35 PM
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84. He would get to know organs quite well from twenty years of butchering.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #68
93. Uhm ..he plays accordion and organ keyboard and sells them.
There aren't many who play accordion and are young enough to be working.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:20 AM
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15. Please DONT ever quit because of IDIOTS around you!!!
Please DONT let the surroundings get to you and NEVER cede control of your emotions to your surroundings.

A rose does not smell sweet depending on who is around it. You be who you are and ask him to stay away from such discussions. Otherwise use the fightsmears website to push right back.

When you do decide to leave, leave with your head held high because you have a back-up plan and are not jumping around with your heart on your sleeve.

I say this with your best interests at heart.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #15
88. I have a backup plan.
:evilgrin:
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #88
94. Then tell him to STFU or you walk!!
But seriously I think the better thing to do is to examine if you like your work and enjoy the other people around you. If this is the only jerk you have to deal with then it might be better to engineer his departure.

;)
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:23 AM
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20. Hostile work environment.
Your co worker using the term 'nigger' makes your place of work a hostile work environment. Your employer is required to remedy the situation.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. Exactly.
And in the case of a new employee, termination is apprpriate.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:41 AM
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36. BINGO!!! Your boss could be in a heap of trouble if you made a couple of phone calls...
...that sort of shit is simply not allowed in the workplace...
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #36
40. Believe me ...I will expose this issue.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #36
43. If there are less than 15 employees
the Federal rules don't generally apply, it would depend upon your state to determine if there was greater protection. I wouldn't be too quick to rely on that route to solve the problem.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:11 AM
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58. Yep.
n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:00 PM
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69. Important: The complaining party must be a member of a statutorily protected class!!!
In other words, if you're white and offended by the "n-word", Federal Law provides no remedy for you...

A claim of harassment generally requires several elements, including:

The complaining party must be a member of a statutorily protected class;

S/he was subjected to unwelcome verbal or physical conduct related to his or her membership in that protected class;

The unwelcome conduct complained of was based on his or her membership in that protected class;

The unwelcome conduct affected a term or condition of employment and/or had the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with his or her work performance and/or creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.

http://www.fcc.gov/owd/understanding-harassment.html

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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #69
97. State laws vary, IIRC.
Good information, though. Thanks.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #20
76. Please edit your post to remove the offending word. Just say "n" word.
We all know what you mean. Use of the word itself is not allowed on DU.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #20
92. Please do not use that word. Just say "n" or "n****".
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:24 AM
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22. Step back and chill out...
There will always be jerks like him in almost any job you find. Don't let him bother you, he might know it and it gives shallow minded people great satisfaction to push buttons and make people mad. It gives them a power they wouldn't have otherwise. Just laugh him off and act like you feel sorry for him, because face it, he's not intelligent and he knows it deep down but in order to feel superior to you he's going to act like a jerk. And even if the owner is a Dem he may have hired this guy for a reason, and that's to work. Maybe he felt sorry for the old coot who proably wouldn't get a job anywhere else.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:26 AM
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23. "Hostile work environment" ... "racial epithets" ... "racist language" ...
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 10:30 AM by TahitiNut
These are the key words in an employment situation. Assuming this new hire has less than 6 months on the job, he can be peremptorily terminated for such behavior - "for cause" - due to his use of hate speech. No warning or other game need be played for a new employee. Indeed, continuing the employment of an outspoken racist can expose the employer to law suits. This is NOT merely a partisan political issue, and political ideology shouldn't be mentioned. It muddies the waters. The issue is whether such an individual creates a "hostile work environment." It would be the same if he were hitting on people (sexually) ... it creates a work environment that a "reasonable person" would find intolerable.

YOU are in the "power position" ... both due to tenure and due to cause. The employer is liable if such an employee is retained. It is NOT up to you to bear the penalty.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #23
27. I have exposed him as a racist Him being one won't hurt me except for guilt by association and...
that's a bad enough refection on me.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:36 AM
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31. Caution. If you resign, you may affect your resume and your eligibility for unemployment.
YOU are in the right. It's NOT "politics" ... it's a "Hostile work environment." You can consult the appropriate state agency for such matters and file a complaint. I'd DEFINITELY do this before leaving ... and I'd be damned sure to but "hostile work environment" in writing and create a paper trail. State bureaucrats take these things seriously ... believe it.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #23
77. Good advice!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:29 AM
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26. A lot of good advice here
Please consider it. If you don't like/need the job and were planning to go anyway, then go, don't give the big ultimatum, just move on; but you can't quit your job every time you encounter a blockhead. The world is populated with blockheads. That doesn't mean you have to take any shit from the guy, but quiting only hurts you, he could care less. Sadly your boss could probably care less too. If this clown is as ridiculous as he appears, chances are he won't last long anyway. Don't be a martyr- it won't change the guy, it won't change your boss and it won't change the world.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. I love the job. The fact is that the owner will have to close up shop without me.
He hired the racist because it was an easy thing for him to do. He didn't have to post a job opening publicly and he already knew the guy was a keyboard sale person. As far as my situation goes, my home is paid off and so are my cars and I have enough in my checking to cover all my credit card debt so I am safe and I am getting quite a few repair jobs coming to my home. The problem is going to be the store owners problem, not mine. I'll go down to the keys for a week and do some snorkeling while he contemplates what to do.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:34 AM
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29. You don't have to threaten to quit
Just tell your boss about the kind of language this man is using. That type of speech should be brought to his attention.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:35 AM
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30. Wouldn't it be better to continue to work there and then start gloating on November 5?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. No one should have to put up with racist or sexist slurs at work
In fact it is against the law!
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Maureen1322 Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:21 AM
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62. I like that idea.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:39 AM
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33. None of my business, but you shouldn't talk about politics at work.
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 10:39 AM by Beacool
That and religion are topics best left to discuss with your friends.

I work for a Fortune 100 and politicking is against the Code of Conduct of the company. I do talk to some co-workers who are like minded, but I'm very careful to mention anything political with anyone I don't know well enough.

Preserve your job, it's not worth losing it over a political disagreement in these tough times.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:43 AM
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37. Did you miss the part about the 'n' word being used? Sod the politcs the guy's a racist..
...and needs to be terminated for creating a hostile work environment...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:03 AM
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54. There you are correct and he should bring that up with his boss.
In my company that kind of language, if proven, would be immediate grounds for dismissal. In a small store it would be up to the owner, at the very least the guy should get a warning.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:45 AM
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38. Like I said ...I didn't bring it up and I told the guy not to go there.
This store is small so I don't have the protections that a corporation or large company may have. I have a lot of work coming right to my home so it won't be a hardship on me. For me, it's an opportunity to take a stand for what is right for people and country.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #38
50. Well, if you feel that you don't need the job,
then go for it and enjoy your summer.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #33
96. And he shouldn't talk about politics and racism with customers, but you know he will.
That's where your boss can end up with a real problem, losing customer business because this guy doesn't know enough to keep his opinions to himself.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
98. The other guy started it...
And L0onix tried to beg off.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:46 AM
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39. I lived and worked where the only two members of the Police Force that weren't Ku Klux Klan were....
... the two token Chicanos... because SOMEone had to speak Spanish

kids in THOSE schools? omifrigginword

it's warfare... it really is and I get it...

Think Sun Tzu... want links?

when the battle is engaged the war is lost

Tai Chi his happy ass... use his force against him
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. I think I would have moved away if that were the case for me. You must be pretty tough...
to stick it out there. Congrats to you for that.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:17 PM
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73. I did after five years... eventually we went to a private school
I have a multi-ethnic family... it was very challenging... my daughter was traumatized... I had to play spy vs spy vs spy to get any compliance from those fuckers

they close ranks to protect one another and evade litigation whenever one of their own step over the line

they can kill you and get away with it in towns like that...

Federal connections outside the community were the only thing that saved ME from a little unearned penitentiary time

thank goodness for family
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:47 AM
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41. Good luck
Be as diplomatic as possible with your boss, but I agree with what you are doing. No one should have to work in such a hostile work environment.

peace

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:54 AM
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45. Thanks Swamp Rat ...I'd like to Power Goo this dude. n/t
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:57 AM
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47. Keep asking him "why?"
"Why do you believe that Obama is a muslim?"

"What do you mean when you say that you vote for no n*****?" "Why?"

ask him questions and make him explain his positions. this is the only way this people will ever think about realizing how fucking ignorant and stupid they are.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:02 AM
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52. I have to wonder if it is worth it. You need mental skills and basic comprehension...
to reason with someone and this asscarrot lacks badly.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:18 AM
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60. Somehow I don't see that working
The way you phrased those questions confirms that there is something wrong with being a Muslim (and by implication that the only trustworthy Americans are cradle-to-grave Christians), and that all black or mixed-race individuals can be called the n-word.

I agree with the OP that some people are so incredibly dumb that they are beyond saving.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:01 AM
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51. Avoiding political talk at work is always advisable. But this racist language isn't politics.
Next time it happens, tell him to come with you and walk into the owners office and make him repeat what he just said. Tell the owner you don't find this acceptable workplace behavior.

The other posters above are absolutely correct. It is probably illegal and could open up the owner to legal action he would probably like to avoid.

You shouldn't have to quit over something that is not your doing.

Good luck, keep us updated.

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:39 PM
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86. It's not like I wanted to talk politics with the asscarrot but I will expose him at every chance...
if I stay working there.
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:02 AM
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53. The Patton quote comes to mind.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

So, you will not win by losing your job. Win by making "the other poor dumb bastard" lose his job.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:09 AM
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56. Oh I will win this one. The owner will have to close the store without me and he knows it.
Other techs charge much more than I do. My basic rate to him is $20 an hour and up to $45 an hour if it is a customer. He can't afford to pay the only other repair facility in the county to deal with his store stock warranties. He knows that I turned down a job at that other facility because they are too unorganized and they have a rep for doing shoddy work. I will give him a week to think about it while I go down to the keys and do some snorkeling.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:09 AM
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55. Grow Up, Be Professional, And Handle It The Right Way.
Let the coworker know that you won't tolerate bigoted conversation and that you also would no longer like to discuss politics at work. If he doesn't comply, then you talk to your boss since that isn't appropriate workplace language. After that discussion if things don't get better, then you can threaten complaint.

But to off the bat take a stance of "him or me", is just childish and a bit dumb.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:11 AM
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57. Luck, dude!
That's cruel and unusual..I couldn't work around that, either.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:20 AM
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61. Thanks Zidzi ...some have said that my proposed action would be childish...
I call it using my power. The store owner will have to close up shop without me and he knows it. I get a lot of repairs coming to my house right now and if all the people that know me from the store knew I was doing repairs out of my home I would be swamped with work. At this point I could use some time off so I can play more with my parrots and do some more snorkeling down in the keys.

Cheers
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:28 AM
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64. Life's too freakin' short..
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:24 AM
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63. Chill
First you shouldn't have to put up with crap like that at work if it's in any way tied to your job performance. But some co-workers are just a-holes. Next job may be the same thing.

As for all McCain voters being enemies, I disagree. My sister is a right-wing Rush-lover. And I love her and her family very much. There is so much that binds us that I won't allow politics to break that apart.


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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:29 AM
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65. Don't help set up a civil suit for the Right Winger
He can't legally be fired for holding his view points. If your boss gives in to you on this then that is grounds for legal action by the right winger against your boss. I'm not a lawyer so you can ask others about this, but that is my understanding anyway.

However it is possible this guy can get fired for using hate speech at work or something along those lines. He may however need to be given at least one warning about it before that is grounds for dismissal. I think you should consult someone who knows the ins and outs of this area of the law before coupling a threat to resign with a demand that someone else be fired.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:33 AM
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66. Wing-Climbers First Law...
(You know, those daredevils that used to do hand-stands and other tricks on the wings of airplanes)

Never let go of something until you have your hands on something else.

Fuck that guy! Tell him not to talk to you if he can't keep his bigoted mouth shut, or tell him you'd like to introduce him to some of your buddies who are gang-bangers.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:16 PM
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72. I am going to expose him.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:42 AM
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67. Keep us posted
I ask that because I have the feeling that a lot of racists will not be able to constrain themselves during this election season. A lot of folks are experiencing their worst nightmare and the exploding heads are going to be like a contagion.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:12 PM
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71. Indeed ...this election will expose many racists. n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:05 PM
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70. While I think you're right to be offended...
If I were your employer, I would not take kindly to starting off this dialogue with threats! You don't have a right to unilaterally declare who you will and who you will not work with.

Unless you are an African American who feels intimidated by the language of your coworker, your first step is to discuss the matter with your boss, calmly and rationally.

In particular, while the man's actions may not be actionable as to you, you might point out that this man may subject the company to liability as to your co-workers (current or future,) such that he must be disciplined or terminated.

But if you marched in my office with a first complaint and a threat to quit, I might be inclined to show you the door; your proposed course of conduct is not reasonable, imo.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:23 PM
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74. An employer who hires a racist is not an employer I will work for. It means that the employer...
agrees with the racist and is possibly a racist as well.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:30 PM
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81. Again, I think you're being unreasonable: how do you know that your employer knows the employee
is a racist?

Ask yourself this: What is gained from beginning this conversation with threats? Is there a way to express how much this offends me without simultaneously putting my boss on the defensive? It appears that you are about to level a very serious accusation against your boss on scant evidence.

Second, please be aware that Threats are virtually always issued from a place of weakness! As I've mentioned, beginning your conversation with a threat puts you into an adversarial relationship with your boss that may well not be warranted (how do you know your boss is a racist?) The difference here is that your boss and you are not equal in power--it could very well be true that your co-worker is a racist and you may still deserve to be fired for lack of tact and professionalism.

None of this excuses your racist coworker. But you standing in an unemployment line will not make your coworker any less racist. (Do they allow people who quit to collect unemployment in your state?)

Good luck.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:25 PM
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75. If I needed the job, I think I'd use a more strategic approach.
Nobody should have to work with somebody who uses the "n" word. You shouldn't have to quit your job, or even threaten to quit. Your new coworker is creating a hostile work environment and that's against the law. I'd tell the owner - not threatening to quit or threatening anything, just informing him - that the new employee uses bigoted terms like the "n" word and is going to upset customers. Tell the owner that you are very distressed and can't work in that environment.

The owner can't legally fire somebody because of their political or social beliefs (no matter how stupid) but harassment is illegal and a person can be fired for that, as far as I know.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:34 PM
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83. Large correction: An at-will employee may be fired for ANY reason
that is not expressly prohibited by Federal or State law (e.g. membership in a protected class.)

That familiar formulation is that an at-will employee may be fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or (and this is important!) no reason at all.

In other words, a private sector at-will employee certainly may be fired because of their political or social beliefs!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:09 AM
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108. Well then.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:20 PM
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110. Don't shoot the messenger!
Know your rights (or lack thereof,) as they say...
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:38 PM
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85. I've already spoken with the owner and told him I don't like his choice of employee.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:09 AM
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109. How did the owner respond? I find it hard to believe it would keep the bigot and let you go.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:27 PM
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78. Threatening to quit your job is almost always a dumb idea
It sounds to me like you need to make a written complaint to the HR person, even if that is also the owner.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:30 PM
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80. Thje employer needs me more than I need him.
My home and cars are paid for and I have no credit card debt and I get a lot of work at my home. If I leave then I will get even more work at my home. People who play accordion have no other repair person to go to.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:29 PM
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79. Good on you!
No one should tolerate that stuff, and taking a stand, even at risk to yourself, is the way to go. :thumbsup:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:33 PM
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82. Not much of a risk and I could use the time off to go snorkeling donw at the keys.
This store owner doesn't really have much choice. I am the only person who does what I do in the entire south eastern US.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:45 PM
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89. Leverage is a wonderful thing.
:)

Let us know how it goes down.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:52 PM
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91. Indeed it is.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:48 PM
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90. Tell him to go to this page
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/20061228_3000FACES_TAB1.html

Otherwise, just laugh at him when he perks up his reptile sctick. People like him are usually self-destructive wimps that start showing up late and have excuses that don't pan out. He's got a case of the Stupids, so he's bound to fuck up soon enough.

Don't quit your gig unless you have a backup.


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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:16 PM
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95. could you try telling your boss to tell him he can't harass you at all or he's gone.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:44 PM
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99. I quit a job over racist, sexist bullshit
And I was living on the edge of disaster at the time, but I couldn't take it.

It was hard as hell. I almost starved.

Don't regret it for a minute.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:07 PM
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100. If you quit now you will miss out on his
reaction when November rolls around! Don't you at least want to be there for that? If you must quit, wait until after the election. It's only a few months away. Take vacation or sick leave frequently to make the time pass.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:16 PM
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101. Well, I've never had my employer hire an asscarrot who could fix accordions
so it's hard for me to put myself in your position, but I think you should reconsider. Any chance you could get him to act all asscarroty around your boss? Or is it just that hard to find someone else to fix accordions?

I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound like you're in dire straits, and I'm wiping tears of laughter away. It is the icing on the cake that he used to be a butcher. I'm guessing the guy doesn't have many friends, if any! Who starts a new job and starts hassling people?

Oh, and BTW, I had a friend whose dad was a butcher for years, and he also turned into a crank. The job was hard, and he also had developed arthritis from working in such cold conditions. He was in a perpetual bad mood. I don't think he was an actual asscarrot though.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:42 PM
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102. You are looking for a reasoned response from someone that is light on reasoning
Don't waste your time, breath or anything else. Blow him off. Treat him like the idiot he is.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:52 PM
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103. Using the word "nigger" in any context in a work environment should be cause for dismissal.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:59 PM
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104. So....what happened?!
No matter what, it sounds like you are skilled in a highly specialized way - you might want to consider going out on your own and being your own boss!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:11 PM
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105. I don't think this is the right way to handle this.
Did he use the N word? That alone should be enough to get him tossed. If you bring up politics, they will be forced to keep him. There will be an appearance of discrimination if you bring up politics.

Also, you sound a little pompous. If you don't want/need/care about the job, leave and spare everyone all the drama.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:28 AM
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106. I think you're missing the bigger picture here.
This guy plays the ACCORDION!? You need to get the hell out of there.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 04:33 AM
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107. educate him about Obama's work for veterans
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 04:38 AM by ima_sinnic
My new neighbor sounds a bit like this guy, except that he's pretty likeable, except for his irrational ideas about Obama. He is a disabled Vietnam Vet. He hates Bush AND McCain, but is simply misguided about Obama. He does not use a computer, so he gets his "news" from TV and maybe newspapers. He is also a little undereducated. He dismisses Obama because of the Rev. Wright thing, and Michele's distorted and out of context "proud to be an American" remark.

I plan to summarize all the work that Obama has done for veterans and give it to him. I know he has been very hurt by the runaround and disrespect he has faced over the years. I think he might even come around.

If there are other policy areas that might impress this guy, work on those too. My neighbor's other concern is marijuana legalization. Of course, Obama is pretty moderate on that, not as progressive as I'd like, but at least he wants to reduce the penalties for possession.

on edit: what happened at your job, anyway? I wish I'd seen your OP sooner, before you might have "burned your bridges" with that job and could have offered this suggestion as a way to at least delay something you might not rather do.
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