Tweety: How Does He Connect With the White Guy.. the Regular People?

[K Gardner]

OMG.. is this where we're at.. STILL??

I've admittedly taken a break. No TV.. not much DU.. just letting my brain and nerves air out from the primary season. So today I turn the TV on for a bit.. I think I'm going to hear issues, now that the primaries are over and all.

Well - now it looks like they're polling "suburban white women", and think that Obama has a problem with them. This poll is what actually prompted Tweety's STUPID statement above. "Not even going into Appalachia, how does he connect with the regular people, those in Scranton, with the white guy?"

The other two instances I briefly flipped on the set, I saw nothing but MAPS. Yellow, red, blue, gray, all sorts of colored MAPS. Electoral MAPS AND MATH for an election next November. And I've heard not one word about ISSUES.. except for the live feeds of Obama which I'm fortunate enough to be able to tune into. It's like rerunning Dora the Explorer over and over.

Enough of freakin MAPS.. enough of freakin POLLS.. can we talk issues? Or are we right back into silly fucking season without a cell of intelligence amongst any of the punditocracy?

Is CNN any better? Are we really going to do this for five stinkin months??

This is me.. pulling my hair out. God help us all.

[sufrommich]

1. Tweety has diarrhea of the mouth.nt

[crankychatter]

2. that guy is so full of bullshit

war profiteers have unlimited resources and influence on the media

those invested in the symbiosis between our elected officials and the lobbyists that fund those campaigns are cranking up the heat

there will be no mercy... I guess it's up to us to keep each other informed... I'm on the receiving end of that process mostly, but I'm glad ya'all are here

[JimGinPA]

3. It's The One Quasi-Negative They Could Dredge Out Of Their Polls...

"He's got a problem..." has been their meme since the beginning.


K&R

[K Gardner]

9. Well, from what LITTLE I've been seeing lately, it looks like Obama is polling

well among Catholics, Hispanics and lots of other diverse groups.. so I guess you're right: they fished out a lemon and tried to make lemonade :-)

:nuke: em

[K Gardner]

26. I see HuffPo has just debunked this faux poll big time.. Pirate Smile posted about it.. and I guess

they're using it as an excuse to get to the "regular white guy" meme.

[tblue37]

29. Seth Colter Walls on HuffPo debunks that suburban white women "problem":

http://letters.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/06/12/fox_response/view/?show=all

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I am skeptical about results for smaller subgroups like 'suburban white women,'" said Emory University Professor of Political Science Alan Abramowitz. "There is more random 'noise' with smaller subgroups. How many of these 'suburban white women' were there in the NBC poll out of the 1,000 total registered voters? Figure about 750-800 whites, close to 400 white women, so maybe 150-200 suburban white women. A shift of a small number of voters would change the outcome."

Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio, who you might expect to celebrate the poll, also cast doubt on its findings regarding a preference among suburban women for McCain -- if for no other reason than that any one poll's margin of error increases as the reduced sample size of a "subgroup" becomes smaller and smaller. "If you have a thousand samples, maybe your margin of error for your overall sample is 3.1 percent ." Assuming approximately half of the poll's respondents were women, he said, "your margin of error goes up to 4.5 percent. Then take females and segment them among rural, urban and suburban . ... You've doubled your margin of error in that group." Fabrizio also said that disrupting the national distribution of a sample by looking at subgroups can throw any analysis out of whack by the same proportion, adding, "there are other vagaries that can go on to influence the sub-sample, too."

<SNIP>

In the published 33-page breakdown of the NBC-WSJ poll's results linked to on Pollster.com, the following phrase appears on the front page: "NOTE: The results contained in this document reflect results among the national crossection of voters ONLY." Given that the "suburban women" findings are not included in that document, it appears the Hart and Newhouse polling firms, which conducted the poll for the two media organizations, recognized that its subgroup findings on "suburban women" were not representative enough to include in the breakdown. So far, that hasn't stopped MSNBC from turning those numbers into big news. Emails to NBC's political unit asking for a numeric breakdown of "suburban women" in their poll were not immediately returned.

UPDATE:

MSNBC has now provided The Huffington Post with more information on its "suburban women" finding showing a 44-38 McCain lead over Obama. "This is within the margin of error of 9.34 percent based on a sample size of 110 within the larger poll," an MSNBC source wrote over email. (That's three times the margin of error for the entire poll.) This means McCain's 44 percent figure of support among suburban women could actually be as low as 35 percent, while Obama's 38 percent figure could rise as high as 47 percent (emphasis added)-- assuming a 95 percent confidence interval (for the stat wonks in the house). Alternatively, McCain could be leading Obama 53-29. While those distant outcomes are less likely true than NBC-WSJ's 44-38 finding, that broad variance raises questions about the statistical usefulness of this one particular crosstab, as opposed to the rest of the NBC-WSJ poll on the whole.* (emphasis added)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. His secret: Applebees.

[Hutzpa]

5. Its called finding something to talk about

since the primary season is over they have to find something to say, its all about showing
they are earning their money create a lot of BS talking point just to confused
folks.

[davidwparker]

11. I'm thinking 35 reasons for chimpeachment isn't on the list of things to talk

about.

[K Gardner]

15. Yeah.. of course not..

[Oceansaway]

6. turn the asshole off....n/t

[Pirate Smile]

7. He said he wasn't talking about Appalachia where people are "ethnically conservative".

What exactly does "ethnically conservative" mean? Is that the new PC way to say racist?

Obama is ahead in almost every demographic yet they only focus on white men where Obama is doing better then Kerry did in 2004 and the new made-up demo - "suburban white woman". They can't just use white women because Obama is ahead in that demo. They must cut it down to some different group. Talk about slicing and dicing people.

[K Gardner]

12. OMG.. no, I didn't hear "ethnically conservative".. I turned it off after the regular people/white

guy. Man, that's seriously some fucked up stuff. Sheesh.

[City Lights]

8. Turn it off. Seriously. And spread the word.

The corporate whore media is not our friend.

[K Gardner]

13. Yeah.. I've been listening to Air America. The older I get, the less tolerant I am of stupidity :-)

[shadowknows69]

10. I'm avoiding the media altogether until November

All we get is idiots like tweety talking out his ass. It's not even worth it. The news orgs have their directive. Obama could be up by double digits in the polls (oh wait, he is) and they'll still try to convince us it's a horse race.

[K Gardner]

14. Good idea.. I think it's time to remodel my house again, LOL. That should keep

me busy until November ! Didn't even know Obama was up in the polls.. thanks for that tidbit !

[book_worm]

16. standard Tweety. He makes $10 million per year and thinks he's a "regular blue collar Joe"

[butterfly77]

17. I have been kind of turned off since the primaries..

but yesterday I began getting wound up again and I began seeing and hearing the same garbage I was hearing through the primaries which began my screaming at the television again...

This is one thing that really irritates me and has always irritated me about especially Tweety,Scarbourough, and Buchanan. I have been laughing everytime I see Tucker because he lost his show and now he looks angry, something I have never seen with him, he usually thinks everything is funny like the rest of the CONS he hates it and I love it..

Scarborough said he left for a while because he wife was about to deliver a baby. I don't believe it takes weeks he couldn't take it either and probably asked for a break,as he saw Hillary was losing.

This sentence really had me screaming at Tweety through the primaries: "Not even going into Appalachia, how does he connect with the regular people, those in Scranton, with the white guy?"

[woolldog]

18. It's weird.

Obama is ahead, and yet they're focusing on how weak he is. They never talk about the groups that McCain is weak with. Just the ones that Obama is weak with. Watching the tone and tenor of discussion around Obama, you'd think he was behind.

They don't ask how McCain can improve his standing with Hispanics, Blue collar dems etc, they only focus on Obama's "weaknesses."

[Avalux]

22. They're trying to make it a horse race.

They need to try to tear down Obama so the poll numbers are close. Otherwise, they have nothing to talk about; not as exciting if it isn't close.

[futureliveshere]

19. its your fault you know!!!

Who asked you to disconnect and let your hair down!! The rest of us don't see anything different!

Who do you think u are anyway to expect issues to be discussed during a Presidential campaign??

;)

[K Gardner]

23. LOL ! I know.. I feel like it's my fault !

[hokies4ever]

20. It's time for Tweety to retire into the dark night

He's really lost his political punditry touch. Rachel Maddow might be more partisan and liberal that Tweety, but MSNBC has to be thinking that at least she can put together coherent points.

[Avalux]

21. MSNBC and CNN are pushing Obama as disconnected and boring.

It's irritating as hell. I'm only watching Keith and Jon for awhile. :hi:

[K Gardner]

24. Probably a good idea.. 8p and 11p, I can handle. I'll count on you guys for the rest !

[rainbow4321]

25. If his sold out book at my local bookstore is any indication

I'd say he sure as hell is connecting with suburban whites.

Went to Barnes & Noble near my house in what is the whitest, richest, most repuke county in North TX and after a worker did a computer search and a LONG look around the store and stockroom, he said "uh, we sold out, I can order it for you". In the end I went to the bookstore down the street to get it (I read the first book but had yet to get the 2nd one).
BTW, Obama took this same county's delegates 2 to 1 over HRC. More than enough proof for the talking heads..not that they ever base their reporting on PROOF/truth/actual stats.

[TexasObserver]

27. Hey Tweety!! He's beating the guy you're not asking that about!!

McCain is barely breaking 40%, and he's been a fixture on the national scene for 30 years, a POW with a fairly decent lifetime reputation. Where are all the questions about why can't McCain draw support?

It's amazing how Obama can be ahead in so many demos, but the talking heads are all about the percentage of white voters he isn't getting.

[2rth2pwr]

28. What tv shows talk about the issues?

Some more airing out may be called for.