HOW is it possible that after 8 years of Bush, ANYONE could consider voting for McSAME???

[BeHereNow]

Sorry folks, but morning after morning, I am astounded
by the number of callers to C-Span's Washington Journal program
who state they will vote for McSame.

The irony of these fools is that they often express
vehement disapproval of the Bush administration!

Can some one explain this to me?
Do they really not know that McSame IS part of the Bush dynasty
and that if anything, their lives are about to get more miserable and
unbearable should he be appointed the next pResident by the PTB?

How is it possible that ANY thinking person
could even BEGIN to vote for further destruction
of their self interest?

Just thinking out loud.
BHN

[Genevieve]

1. the masses are asses. nt

[TheDonkey]

2. 25% of the country still support Bush. One of the worst presidents... THE worst president in modern

history.

[DenverDem23]

9. So you think 25% will grow to 51%?

I don't think so!

[TheDonkey]

21. the op said how could "anyone" I just mentioned there are a lot of dumbasses lurking in America

unfortunately if 25% can still support Bush! Don't get to complacent we have a lot of work ahead of us. A lot of ignorance and fear to combat.

Edit: On further inspection I see you have been tombstoned :rofl:

[Olney Blue]

3. They are afraid of Democrats

[BeHereNow]

4. They should be MORE afraid of continued corporatism...

Not that there aren't plenty of them on BOTH sides of the aisle.

At least WE recognize who they are and the fact
that ALL the corporate piggies need to be voted out-
both DEM and REPUB.

BHN

[Catch22Dem]

5. How was it possible after FOUR? nt

[Beregond2]

6. How is it possible anyone voted for W?

The only thing truly infinite is the stupidity of the Amercan voter.

[Ysabel]

42. really nobody (er hardly anybody) ever did...

[Berry Cool]

7. You're right. It's not possible for any thinking person to vote that way.

But why are you assuming these people are thinking?

[iconicgnom]

8. I asked that after 4 yrs of Bush.

I think Kerry badly flubbed it.
I'm reminded of the saying "Dems are so eager to fight one another, so afraid to fight the Repub's". Except that I've seen it, I could never believe that the Dems could go so far in acquiescing to the neocon inspired post-9/11 narrative. Even given that Bush lied about a connection between al qaeda <-> Iraq, even given that some might have believed or pretended to believe in that lie and other lies re. WMD etc. (relatively few outside the US did), the difference in scale between the devastation visited on Iraq and Afghanistan as compared to that visited on New York beggars belief. What we see here is a complete absence of empathy for the Arabian peoples - coupled with dishonor on a grand scale as whole countries are plundered.

Not good.

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

10. I think Janeane Garofalo was exactly right

She said something about how at some point voting Republican is a sign of a mental disorder. How else can one explain it?

[BeHereNow]

12. Mental disorder indeed. What other species on the planet acts against it's personal survival?

Actions that endanger one's existence and survival
can be explained no other way.
It's suicidal if you think about it.

Critters don't do things like this-
I vote that we elect some fur people to office.
I'd like to nominate mine.

BHN

[democracy1st]

11. only in America

[Divine Discontent]

13. it is astounding, isn't it friend...

the people I've asked in my friendships, to start paying attention all veer strongly Democratic after a year or so. The 28% are too busy wrapping themselves up in the flag, thinking the GOP is the only ones who will keep us safe from terrorists, and will stop the GLBT crowd from destroying their marriages by getting legal rights to enter into it, too!


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[ladjf]

14. Because we've got a lot of dumb people in America.

[NotThisTime]

35. I'll second that.... there ought to be some rules to voting that include your political IQ score

And I'm quite serious... the most stupid people end up electing the most stupid candidate, how the HELL else did Dubya get TWO FREAKING TERMS????

[ladjf]

40. One thing is for sure. The process we are now using isn't working

well.

Somehow, public education needs to be improved. Not an easy thing to do.

Republicanism is a cult of greed and death. As long as they are in control, noting good can happen
in government.

[TahitiNut]

15. That's why McCain &Co. will go massively negative.

The same question was posed in 2004. That's why we saw the Swift Boat crap. It created (in 'receptive' minds) the notion that "Kerry would be worse." It relies on the natural human inclination to "accept the devil you know instead of the one you don't." We tend to get 'comfortable' with the problems we have ... even nostalgic afterward. There are many factors that play into this ... including the feeling that one's self did 'better' than others, the feeling of self-righteous condescension about 'them' and how "government is screwed up" and "all politicians are corrupt" and a host of cop-outs. Anything to avoid arguments (and the need to be informed).

Negative works.

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. because McCain is a "uniter not a divider" and he is a "compassionate conservative"?

not your usual sort of Republican - but one who reaches across the aisle and works as a bipartisan?

Have you EVER heard ANY Republican with a message like McCain's before?

:woohoo:

[NatBurner]

41. but is he "the decider" though?

i may have misunderestimated the man

[bowens43]

17. contrary to popular belief, at least here on DU

McCain is a very strong candidate. He is well liked and well respected by the majority of Americans. Unless there is a massive fuck up on one side or the other, this is going to be an extremely close election.

[Honeycombe8]

18. I did. I'm an Independent. It's not astounding. What do you wanna know? nt

[BeHereNow]

19. You did what? You need to clarify your response for me-

You thought of voting for McCain?

Is that what you are telling me?

BHN

[Honeycombe8]

44. Yes. I considered it. I decided in Jan. to support Obama. I considered McCain....

as a possibility, if Obama hadn't gotten the nomination. I hadn't made a decision; I decided that I'd decide that, if Obama didn't win. But he did.

My main issue is the environment. McCain is pretty good on that score, for a Republican. I care about alternate fuels. Again, McCain is pretty strong on that score, for a Republican.

As for Iraq, I don't know what should be done at this point. I really don't know. I DO know that we should NOT have gone in...I and millions others knew that * could not be trusted with that resolution from Congress. So I want a candidate that wasn't stupid enough to vote for it. Soooooo....if Obama, who was against the war, weren't the nominee, then my only choice would have been between two people who did vote for the war. And, I didn't consider him very different from Clinton on issues that are key to me. They are, in fact, close friends, and have voted alike on some important bills (the Patriot Act, drilling in ANWR).

You see...it depends on the issues that are most important to you.

But Obama won. So I don't have to consider McCain any longer. I may have decided against him. I'm glad I didn't have to decide. (But I will say that I was very concerned about McCain's age; he's just too old in real years, plus I don't think he's in good health, so he seems even older than he is.)

[Cha]

20. Fools rush in and get on cspan..

Obama's going to win but you get to hear the ignorant ones call in.

[DCofVA]

22. Maybe they enjoy getting screwed by the Government

:shrug:

[quantass]

23. Dont ask me...I'm just a girl!

thank you McSame for letting a man decide my future!

[highplainsdem]

24. Rasmussen, 6/9, on political perceptions and alignments, conservative vs. liberal:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/public_perceptions_of_obama_and_mccain_shifting_rapidly

In December, before the Iowa caucuses launched Obama’s successful campaign for the nomination, the Illinois Senator was seen as politically liberal by 47% of voters nationwide. By April, that number had grown to 54%. Today, 67% see him as politically liberal including 36% who say he is Very Liberal.

A similar pattern is seen for John McCain. The presumptive Republican nominee was seen as politically conservative by 31% of all voters in December, by 41% in April, and by 67% today. Just 19% say he is Very Conservative.

-snip-

Where do the voters stand in all of this? Thirty-six percent (36%) say they are politically conservative, including 16% who say they are Very Conservative. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say they are politically moderate and 25% claim to be politically liberal. That last figure includes 8% who are Very Liberal.

Compared to four years ago, the number of conservatives is little changed but the number of liberal is up from 17%.

It is very good news that the number of self-identified liberals is up about 50% in four years, but that increase is still only from 17% of voters to 25%, with three times as many voters identifying themselves as moderate or conservative.

Anyway, it's important to remember that these sorts of political alignments and identifications motivate voters, too -- it isn't just how much they like a particular candidate. I doubt any DUers who've voted in at least a few elections have always had Democratic candidates they were happy with. They voted Democratic anyway, to vote against the GOP candidate. Obama wasn't my first, second, or third choice this year, but I'll vote for him anyway to vote against McCain. And we Dems shouldn't expect Republican voters to be that much less likely to vote for their nominee just to vote against the Democratic candidate, especially if they view Obama as very liberal.

[Bleacher Creature]

25. Someone here posted an article about people signing up for email service post-Rapture

They want to be able to forward messages to people who were left behind. I guess that want to gloat?

Bottom line -- there are some real whackjobs out there. They are the people who voted for Bush-Cheney, and they are the people for will vote for McSame.

[Dharmacrat]

26. coordinated effort to make it look like there is movement....

if we wanted to, we can all get together and plan to call around the same time too.

[Imagevision]

27. They're not voting for McBush - they're voting against Obama...

[highplainsdem]

28. Exactly. See my earlier reply here (#24). This is not just about candidates.

[Raine]

29. I don't understand it and never will. I know a poster

on a non-political board (TV discussion) I post on that is actually still DEFENDING chimp/cheney. :wtf: No one can tell this fool anything. :silly: All but one other person on the board (who agrees with the morAn) gets into with him. It does no good, I think his brain has been rotted by Faux Noise. :freak:

[depakid]

30. Keyword = "thinking person"

To that I'd also add "informed person."

America hasn't been known to contain an abundance of either type.

[WinkyDink]

THAT is the $64,000 Question! The mind REELS!! WTH is WRONG with some people?!

[WinkyDink]

31. (Sorry; double post! But these McCain voters are still stupid!)

[barack the house]

32. I know did Republicnas do something really great while we wern't looking.

[harun]

33. I think it is because Americans are easily scared. The MSM and

Repub's scare them in to thinking Dem's might raise their taxes, or increase the scope of government, or make health care worse than it already is, etc. etc.

[40ozDonkey]

34. Conservatives turned politics into team sports.

It's part of the reason why they failed so miserably to keep themselves in check these past 8 years.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10238.html">Good. Fuck 'em.

[WillyT]

36. Well... Just A Reminder...

:shrug:

[RB TexLa]

37. You are in America, look at how many millions of our citizens are stupid and/or ignorant.

many of them proudly so.

[bluedawg12]

they believe he is the same but "different"

They think it's a return to paleocon after 8 years of neocon.

They are wrong.

[IsItJustMe]

38. The answer to your question is quit simple. Brain washing by the corporate msm whores.

Corporations know that the Republicans will do their bidding. So the policies in the majority of our corporate msm is to bash the Democrats. Smear, lies, innuendo, anything goes.

It's all done for the good (greed) of the corporate interests. This is why you have unabashed news organizations out there like Faux.

Lots of dems on their grease list also. The Corps have to cover all bases.

People are pretty much like sheep. They hear the lies in our msm, and end up repeating it and voting accordingly. It's real damn hard to have an independent view of things when so much of our media is programmed. It's not quit a conspiracy, but just the way things have been done for so long that is just an unconditioned reflex by now.

The only way to change this is to change the informational sources that people hear. Not an easy task.

[mtnsnake]

39. It's very unsettling to say the least

I could understand if 20% of the people in this country would consider voting Republican after what we've been through, but 44% just defies the imagination and all sense of reasoning. I guess it has something to do with how severely the Right Wing has divided this nation over the years.

[Overseas]

43. A lot of people just ignore the parts of John Sidney McCain III that they don't like

They imagine that he is some kind of maverick, rather than a real machine politician who has used his family connections to get ahead every step of the way.

Check out this article for background on the taboo subject of whether JSM III is really a military hero.


http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06132008.html

[uponit7771]

45. You have to repeat something 7 times to one person to get the effect of rememberance, Bush McSame...

...similarities should be mentioned over and over again to make sure it sinks through peoples heads