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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 03:46 AM
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My father and why I hate war.
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 04:15 AM by Drunken Irishman
Today is Father's Day and I thought I would discuss my dad, because he's the biggest reason why I hate war.

My father was one of eight children and was raised by his widow mother. When my dad was five years old, my grandfather drove his car off the side of a mountain during a terrible rainstorm. He had been a World War II vet, but outside of that, not much is known about my father's father. Mostly because my grandma would not talk about him and resented the fact he left her with 8 children, even though it wasn't his choice. She never remarried and never forgave him and because my father looked a lot like his own dad, she took her pain out on him. She would beat him, verbally abuse him and treat him as if he wasn't worthy of living under her roof. One Christmas, all his brothers and sisters got gifts, but he didn't. His mother, my grandmother, told him Santa didn't like him.

My father finally decided to leave my grandmother at the age of 16. The Vietnam War was at its height and my dad walked down to the Army recruiting office and with the approval of my grandmother, joined the Army. He soon shipped out to Vietnam and I don't know the details of what happened, because my dad does not talk about the War -- and in our house, the War refers to Vietnam. What I do know is that it messed him up pretty badly and when he came back home, he wasn't the same and he never would be the same. During the War, like many military men, he found himself addicted to heroin. Again, this is something my father will not talk about, but my mom has told me it was the only release from the daily pain he saw. Whether it was the slaughter of innocent Vietnamese, or the death of his fellow comrades. His addiction would continue after being honorably discharged from the military and it would land him in a North Carolina prison for 3 years.

After getting out of prison, my father moved back to Utah and tried to restart his life. He kicked his addiction to heroin and other drugs and settled down, marrying and having a boy. Though the marriage didn't work, my dad stayed away from drugs and then he met my mom. My mom had just lost her son to leukemia at the age of 12 and didn't think she could carry on. Somehow, though, my aunts got her out to a local amusement park and that's where she bumped into my father. Their meet, and subsequent romance, led to marriage and my birth. Right there sounds like the perfect ending, doesn't it? But, as I think we all know, life is rarely perfect.

One of my dad's major vices has always been alcohol. He could kick the hard drug use, but not the drinking. And early on, it wasn't too much of an issue. He'd get drunk, yell and make a fool of himself, but he was rarely abusive and never physically abusive toward my mother or my brother and I. But as he got older, his health began to deteriorate. We never really knew why and since we were working class and didn't have insurance, he rarely went to the doctors. It wasn't until the late 90s that things began to really get worse.

Around this time, my dad would continually forget simple things. He'd have a hard time remembering words or what the topic of discussion was or what he had done 20 minutes earlier. It was a concern, because at that time he was only in his 40s and even though he had some troubles, it wasn't anything major. So my dad finally went up to the Veterans Hospital for tests and the results were not good. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know exactly what it's called, but after a few MRI scans, they found his brain was shrinking. At first they did not know what was causing the shrinking or how much would shrink, but they were pretty sure that was causing his memory loss and his failure to comprehend some of the most basic understandings. Now I'm not trying to paint the picture that he was completely infected with dementia, because he wasn't. If you barely spoke with my dad, you probably would not pick up that there is a problem. But we knew and he knew and our fears were verified. Unfortunately, at the time, they were baffled. So they did more tests.

Soon after, they realized the most likely reason for his suffering was Agent Orange. For those who are unfamiliar with Agent Orange, it was a herbicide and defoliant used by the United States Military, sprayed on the dense jungles of Vietnam. Many American troops were exposed to Agent Orange, but it took years for symptoms to show. For my father, it took decades. And then when it hit, everything just fell apart.

Not only did Agent Orange cause brain degeneration, it resulted in tumors, a cancer scare a few years ago and terrible breathing problems. His breathing was so bad, that it was impossible for him to walk from one side of the house to the other without nearly passing out. It also tied into his losing weight, becoming a weak shell of his former self. But if it wasn't bad enough, he then was diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

With his quality of life dwindling, my father became more and more depressed. And when he would get depressed, he'd drink and unlike before, his drinking resulted in far more violent outbursts than my mother and I had ever witnessed. This was a concern, because we knew something was not right. So he went back in for more tests and that's when they realized he was suffering from a pretty bad case of PTSD. As he got older, it became worse and liquor was always the trigger. It would get so bad that there were times where he would slip into military mode and look at me as the enemy. He would tell me that he killed the gooks and he could kill his own son. No child, I don't care how rotten or mean or disrespectful, should ever hear their own father -- the person who is supposed to be their protector -- say that he's capable of killing them. But I saw it and I looked into his eyes and I did not see the man who raised me. I saw someone much different, as if his entire body was taken over by something evil. And I know that sounds dramatic, but it's the truth. When he drank and his PTSD was triggered, he became a completely different person. An ugly person, someone I was afraid of and someone I hated.

Because of this, I grew to really hate my father. I even at times wished him dead, because I knew it would mean a better life for my mother and I. Even though my father sober is a quiet, down to earth guy, the worse his PTSD got and the worse his health got, the worse his anger got. Over the years, I got to the point where I was too exhausted to have any feeling but hate toward him. I tried to love him and I tried to believe it was not him attacking me or my mother, but it was useless. I could not convince myself of this or to accept it as a reason for his actions. And I hate that. I hate knowing that no matter how much I try, my feelings for him have not and most likely will not change. I can say that I do not love my father and it eats me up inside. It kills me to know this. It's not something I say proudly and it's not something I expect other people to understand, but I do truly hate him. I hate him because of the broken promises. I hate him because I cried and prayed when I thought he was dying, only to be told over and over again that I didn't care. I hate him because of him getting in my face and telling me he will kill me. I hate him for pushing me. I hate him for ruining my room because I stood up for my mother. I hate him for calling me a loser. I hate him for everything he has put us through and then I realize, it's not his fault.

It isn't his fault the government didn't do anything to help him emotionally when he returned home from war, probably causing irreversible damage that ultimately led to his PTSD. It isn't his fault the military used a herbicide that led to health problems and then depression and then more alcohol abuse that became the trigger for his PTSD. It isn't his fault that life crapped on him when he was too young to know better and too young to do anything about it. And yet it doesn't change my feelings and it doesn't make it easier to accept his actions. Which makes it far harder for me to understand why I feel this way. And then I realize, I'll never let go of these feelings. But I can sure as hell do my part to make sure another child does not suffer through what I have the past 24 years of my life.

See, so many people believe when the wars end and the troops come home, the battle ends. But it doesn't, a new one begins. Unfortunately, it's a battle that not only involves the soldiers themselves, but their families as well. I've never been to Vietnam and I've never fought in a war, but I sure as hell know what it's like to experience the ramifications of a war. And it's enough to convince me that I utterly detest war. I do not need to see a battlefield or hear the cries from villages as they burn, I just have to remember my life. That's why I hate war and on this Father's Day, I bring you that reason: My father.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:08 AM
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1. I am so sorry for your pain
Thanks for sharing. I wish you peace. :)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:19 AM
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2. Thanks.
It's kinda long, but I thought I would pour my heart out.

I rarely get to do that! :)
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:31 AM
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4. Somtimes its a good thing to do
both for you ... and sometimes its what somebody else needs to hear. I hope that your experience will touch someone in a positive way.

The consequences of war are wide and deep ... but never good ... never good.

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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:29 AM
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3. My father isn't a veteran but his father was.
My dad is the black sheep of the family, and his by-any-means-necessary wiles to get out of Vietnam were the core of the reason - and that has its roots in what WWII did to HIS father, things I will never know the details of (Grandad died in '92) but cast a pall over our family for decades. And that was an "honorable" war.

My great-grandfather, rest his soul, was in the war they used to call The War to End All Wars. If only that had been true. If ONLY.

:hug:

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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 04:34 AM
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5. War exposure causes brain damage...

That's awful. Your dad's problems could have been caused by any one of those things you mentioned, let alone the combination of all of them. Some people, with no other factors, become entirely different on alcohol. (FYI, my 8th grade science teacher claimed he'd seen a post mortem that revealed the brain of an alcoholic that had been reduced to the size of a walnut.)

But the stuff that happens during war can be the trigger for almost anything. Exposure to violence -- for a moment, let alone an entire tour of duty -- can skew your perspective on the world, even if you remain socially functional.

Sorry your Father's Day is such a bummer. I'm off to spend it with my mom, remembering a great dad who loved his country, worked as a government researcher, and died of cancer. There's a likely connection. He was a cold warrior, though. Much less violence, just as dead.

It's sad, but there are always people who have things worse. I try to get strength from the ability of those people to smile in the face of it. If they can handle it, who am I to complain?

I recommend you play Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" at some point during the day.

Good luck!
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:11 AM
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6. Thank you for sharing this with us.
I'm sorry for your pain. I'm sorry for your father's pain. I wish I had better words to say to express all that I feel after reading your post. :hug:
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:30 AM
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7. Thank you for sharing your story...
these are the stories that need to be on the news. I am so sorry for the pain you all have suffered all of these years. I lost my brother in a plane crash at Clark Air Base in the Philippines, on his way to Vietnam. He and 80 young Airmen were killed, and they won't put their names on the Vietnam Wall because the plane didn't make it to Vietnam. Of course my family suffered because of his lose, and it has affected me my whole life. I just turned 60 two weeks ago, so I went and had a peace symbol with my brother's initials tattooed above my right ankle. Crazy, huh.
We were at a dinner last night with several of my high school classmates. We were at the home of one of my friends, and her husband is a Vietnam vet. He has never talked about Vietnam before, but after several glasses of wine, he was railing against our government, and taking about what it's like to have jungle rot all over your body and bullets flying over your head. It was very sobering to all of us.
My blessings to you and your family. Peace.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:37 AM
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8. Understand what your talking about way to well.
My father was a functional drunk but never even drank a beer before the war. Never mean never abusive but could be embarrassing and the depression was unbearable at times. I had it a little better becuase my dad was a chemist and a manager however, I've been through the cycle of alcoholism pretty bad since I was about 15. Major incident, gets help, gets better, trigger than off the wagon till another major incident.

My mother was a nurse in Vietnam and we believe that Agent Organge is responsible for my brother's mental retardation.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:23 AM
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9. Thanks for sharing your experience and insight. n/t
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:31 AM
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10. I'm right there with you. My story is similar to yours....
except I'm a generation older than you. My father went through much the same thing after returning from WWII and Korea. As I've related briefly in another post, he was a conscientious objector but enlisted and served in the medical corp. He died from alcoholism and cancer when he was forty-eight years old. His problems, I believe, were directly related to his experience in the military.

War is hell and it destroys much more than we can imagine.

Take care - my thoughts are with you this day.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:11 PM
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11.  My Dad was in and out of Veterans Hospitals throughout his
life. He was in the Marines and wounded off Guadalcanal and then while landing on Pelelieu. I can remember him waking the household while screaming from nightmares. My Dad never talked about the War but it left both physical and emotional scars. The Bush regime has committed so many obscenities in its time but the refusal to gear up for the aftermath of this immoral war's impact on the men and women we have sent there is among the worst. I feel for you, your Dad and your family. What makes your experience all the more poignant is the crisis we know we are going to face in caring for our veterans and the shameful lack of attention it has received to date. Peace to you Irish and to your Dad.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:44 PM
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12. Thanks everyone who replied.
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 10:44 PM by Drunken Irishman
:hug:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:12 AM
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13. Wow.
That was incredibly moving. Thank you for sharing that.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:58 AM
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14. hey buddy nice to see you again
did you see the dustup over that pic i posted?
what a balls up


i read this
and i got this out of it

you love your dad an awful lot despite everything

why is making peace with ourselves always so much harder than making peace with anyone else?

god bless your dad
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:32 AM
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15. Thank you for sharing your story
It sounds like you've been through a lot of pain about your father. My Dad, although a veteran, never saw combat. But he came out of the military addicted to amphetamines. My Mom married him anyway and they soon had my brother. When his supplier was sent to jail, he turned to alcohol. This was around the time I was born. Despite having a graduate degree, his alcoholism kept him from holding down jobs for very long. So we were always on the verge of financial ruin. My Mom worked 16 hours a day, and we lived with my grandmother. It wasn't unusual for Dad to consume a half-gallon of scotch over the course of a weekend. He was an mean, obnoxious drunk when I was a kid. But as he aged, he turned into more of a "sloppy drunk", who would pass out on the kitchen or living room floor with some regularity. He developed diabetes and hypertension, but continued drinking anyway. Once he hit his 60's, he developed heart problems, his health started to seriously decline. He finally gave up drinking when his doctor told him he'd be dead in 6 weeks if he didn't stop. We started putting our relationship as father and daughter back together, although it was shaky. He started working things out with my Mom and brother as well. He stayed sober for the last 2 years of his life, but the damage to his health was already done. He died of a stroke shortly after he turned 64.

Needless to say, I grew up with very mixed feelings about my Dad. I eventually decided that I really did love him, but that loving him hurt. I loved him despite the pain, although I had to keep my distance at times, as a matter of physical and emotional self-defense. I wish we'd had more time with sober Dad. But at least we made a sort of peace before he died.
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