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Sun Jun-15-08 08:09 PM
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How many current Obama supporters are fellow Kucinich people? |
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I supported Kucinich while he was in the race, but regardless of who I wanted to win, I fully intend to vote for our nominee and give him my support.
This kind of thread IMO builds up the good will in GD: Presidential.
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Yup, I started out as a Kucinich supporter...
But I saw the handwriting on the wall, and I went to Obama in time to vote for him in the CA primary...
I fully intend to support him!
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Thanks for stopping by. I hope we are all Obama supporters now, but wanted to get a feel for this. :hi:
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In part it hasn't changed beause I've forgotten how.
In part, because I will always admire and love Dennis. And last week there were 35 more reasons to love and admire him.
Will be proud to vote for obama though.
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:19 PM
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3. Kucinich is my *dream* candidate. |
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I donated to him and on behalf of him in the DU fun run. But I knew that the U.S. just wasn't ready and so I ended up supporting Obama.
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:21 PM
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4. Voted for DK -- the day before he dropped out. |
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I voted by absentee in CT. The very day after I dropped off my ballot, DK dropped out. I would have preferred Edwards as my next "realistic" choice, but realized the potential Obama had for really changing things in America. Haven't looked back since.
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:21 PM
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5. He was my first choice! A true "liberal stalwart" and American hero!!! n/t |
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:22 PM
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7. He was my first choice also. nt |
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Supporting Obama 100%, now.
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:headbang: :applause:
In a perfect world, DK would be prez. But Obama will advance peace, justice, and prosperity for all of us.
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Everyone is an Obama supporter here, if by "supporter" you mean "will vote for and work for the candidate." Or does "supporter" mean something else?
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:33 PM
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12. We should all be Obama supporters since he is.. |
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the nominee (by support, I mean enthusiastically want him to beat McCain.)
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Although I have no idea what good "enthusiastically wanting" anything accomplishes.
I say do what works. Too often by "support" people mean some sort of suspension of critical thinking, or suppression of free speech, or hero worship or juvenile fan club behavior, even if those actually work against real accomplishments in the real world.
I don't give a shit about "winning" in the sense of rooting for my favorite sports team, nor do I think that "beating McCain" is the end all be all of achievements, nor do I think that it is a very compelling or powerful case to take to the public. "We" can "win" and still lose - witness the midterms.
Nor do I give a shit about paying homage or showing deference or allegiance to the almighty "nominee," as though that advanced the cause in any way.
I think we are a lot more likely to win over votes - and I have a forty year track record that proves this - by being realistic and honest rather than by being a sycophant or true blue party loyalist or hero worshiper or "think positive" obsessed member of the fan club. That is, if we are seeking political success as opposed to spiritual purity or the comfort of running with the herd.
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24. Well for this thread, I think "enthusiastically wants" sets a good standard |
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Though donating to, working for, etc. helps us most. I am supporting Obama because McCain is a Republican that's vastly different, and I'd vote Democratic even if they were close.
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I think that we have two competing agendas going on within the party right now, and they could work against each other. There is an attempt going on by one faction within the party to gain control over the party, even at the expense of weakening us against the right wingers, and to purge the party of dissidents. Much of the "be loyal" and "be enthusiastic" stuff we hear is a smokescreen for a power struggle going on within the party.
There is no evidence that I can see that supports the notion that sending out good vibes, thinking beautiful thoughts, or being in a particular emotional state, or demanding some sort of loyalty and purity from people, or being a fan of the personality of the candidate, or suppressing criticism helps the Democrats win elections or harms the right wingers. I think the opposite is actually true. However, were one primarily interested in controlling the party rather than winning the general, all of those things could aid in that effort.
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:34 PM
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13. Voted Kucinich in 2004, supported Edwards |
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in 2008 primary but after he dropped out voted Obama in CA and TOTALLY committed to Obama now.
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15. *Raises hand* - Oh, and THANK YOU MODS |
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17. Yep, that's pretty much where I'm coming from n/t |
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18. A lot of people in the world act like Kucinich is so fringe that.. |
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his prior supporters wouldn't be embracing our nominee, but DU has shown evidence to the contrary. :hi:
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58. I'm in the reality based community |
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--and I know when I've been out-organized. Don't think that Obama is particularly progressive, but he makes up for that by strongly urging continuing citizen involvement. Real change is going to come from the bottom.
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:48 PM
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19. Kucinich, then Edwards, then Obama. |
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Voted for Kucinich in the primary (FL).
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Sun Jun-15-08 08:54 PM
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20. I'm kinda in love with Kucinich |
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Since I first saw him :blush: Last week I had to watch him for hours in cspan, I couldn't change the channel :loveya:
(and I still wear my green Kucinich button sometimes!)
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22. Another Kucinich fan here, now pushing for our nominee and for justice n/t |
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In the present tense, as I enthusiastically support his latest efforts.
I'm not an Obama fan. I never have been, and have never made a secret about it. He and HRC were tied for last place when I ranked the candidates.
I am undecided about what to do in November, and fully intend to remain so at least until October.
And no, I will not be voting for McCain or any Republican, regardless.
Why am I undecided? For those very reasons that the rabid demanders of loyalty oaths spout. While I often despise the way those demands are articulated, I do listen. Those reasons will be weighed carefully against all the reasons I've never supported him, and eventually the scales will tilt, one way or the other.
I don't need to be in a hurry. I've got 5 months. I want to be sure that my choice, whatever that turns out to be, is well informed, well thought out, and will be one I won't regret.
So I won't be rushed, here or anywhere else.
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26. I agree about still being a supporter |
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What I mean is that his Presidential campaign has ended. But his current efforts definitely have my support. I am for impeachment. :thumbsup:
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30. I'm for what is best for the nation and the planet. |
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I'd also like what is best for me, if possible, lol.
That's why I'm willing to question myself, and to take my time.
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25. I am a Kucinich supporter who will now work for Senator Obama, but ... |
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27. That is not the way I meant it, but if it appears better without it.. |
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29. Right here, and I'd love him to be VP! |
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But it won't happen. : (
I'm indifferent on the VP choice, as long as it's not clinton (which would be a strategic blunder of epic proportions).
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31. Kucinich embodies every ideal that I cherish. |
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I supported Kucinich but he dropped out before my primary so I voted for Obama. I am glad I did.
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Sun Jun-15-08 09:25 PM
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33. Kucinich then Edwards then Obama here. |
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Voted for Edwards in CT because he was still viable at the time.
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Sun Jun-15-08 09:26 PM
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34. Hey, Kucinich supporter here! |
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We could use a lot more like Dennis.
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Sun Jun-15-08 09:28 PM
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36. I started out for Kucinich . . . |
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as did my husband. We both voted for him 4 years ago, but he had dropped out by the time we had our primary this year. We briefly leaned toward Edwards, then he dropped out. We didn't know a lot about Obama, but voted for him over Clinton -- mostly because we felt he was more electable than she was.
After voting for Obama, I started paying more attention to him, and now I'm glad that he's the nominee. I like him a lot. I believe that his Presidency will be good for healing the country that Bush and Cheney have so blithely ravaged and plundered.
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Sun Jun-15-08 09:51 PM
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39. He was my first choice |
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Although I voted for Obama in the primary since at that point it was clear that it was going to be between him and Hillary.
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40. I'm a big Kucinich fan |
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41. Kucinich was and always will be my first choice. |
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But, sadly I know America is not ready for him.
So, In the beginning of the primaries I had my fingers crossed for Edwards. When Edwards dropped out, Obama was my next choice.
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Do I want McCain to win? No, of course not, but, at the same time, I don't support Obama either, at least not in the "ra ra ra!" bullshit sense that seems to occur too frequently. I'll vote against the Republican in the General Election, isn't that enough?
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44. I voted for Kucinich in '04, and was a delegate for him at the state convention. |
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I was a Clarkie, but Clark was out of it by the time it came to my state. Do I still count?
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45. My husband and I both wanted Kucinich...now I'm 100% Obama. |
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...My husband wishes we had a third choice, but he'll vote for Obama.
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I was for Kucinich, switched to Obama.
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47. issue by issue -- they just don't come better than Kucinich |
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but given the political realities as they are - I certainly support Sen. Obama and have ever since after Indiana it became clear that he was the inevitable nominee.
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dennis still has the best ideas and the most realist plans to implement them
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Yet another Kucinich to Edwards to Obama person here. I also was hoping Gore would enter the race.
I have to say, Obama is the most awesome 4th choice I could imagine, at least in these days of corporate proxy candidates. I hope he can pull it off, and with our help, he will!
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I went roughly the same route except I supported DK and JE simultaneously hoping one or the other would last. I had a hard time wrapping my mind around supporting Obama until Edwards left the race after South Carolina.
Obama and Clinton gave many speeches and interviews afterward and I paid close attention to both. Hillary was always impressive, but I came away feeling that Barack was the more honest progressive of the two and represented more of what I saw in my two favorites. Choice made.
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Yet another Kucinich to Edwards to Obama person here. I also was hoping Gore would enter the race.
My "political journey" for this election.
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53. started obama, then went kucinich angave him money when i wasnt paying for tuition or books or bills |
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wasnt much, but it was what i could muster.
when to edwards, biden, and then obama again. i got turned off on him kind of near the beginning of hte primaries but came back as soon as biden dropped out, as i was starting to like him more every day.
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57. Me . . . until it was apparent I had to go to plan B to stop Hillary. nt |
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60. Kooch supporter for Obama here. n/t |
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61. I wanted Kucinich, based on issues, but even then I recognized |
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how getting him to be the nominee was sisyphean. I was hoping he'd get enough delegates to force the nominee to adopt some of his policies.
then I wanted edwards when kucinich dropped out.
When edwards dropped out, initially, I saw little difference between clinton and obama, but as the campaign wore on, the difference became abundantly clear and I'm happy to support Obama.
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70. Edwards was my second choice |
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Between Hillary and Obama, I still would rather not say who I wanted as I'm a mod and the primaries just ended, but I think Obama is a step in the right direction.
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74. I preferred Dennis's health care, war and impeachment stance |
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I was hoping for edward's pro-labor.
but I have to admit that Obama has only continued to impress me as time goes on. If he runs the white house like he ran his campaign, we're going to be in fairly competent hands... which will be a drastic change for the better.
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63. I am An Kucinich supporter ... |
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Who is now whole heartedly supporting Obama now.
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64. Me. Kucinich then Hillary. Now Obama. nt |
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67. I was a dual supporter: DK and Edwards |
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Sent money to both campaigns, too. I was a little disappointed when Dennis threw his support to Obama rather than Edwards, but in hindsight it makes sense. I think Dennis was right to go with Obama because he had a resonant message and a better ground game.
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First Kucinich, then Edwards, then Clinton, now Obama. Although the Clinton bit was weak and I "flip-flopped" between Clinton and Obama.
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"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone
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76. Kooch was my first pick, then Edwards then Obama |
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Truth be told: I saw Senator Obama's DNC keynote speech in '04 on TV live, I felt then that this man should be President. I actually wanted him more than I wanted Kerry that day. During this primary, although I loved Senator Obama still, what I felt was more important was accountability for the crimes of the bfee and someone who would fight against the corporatism which was destroying our democracy. Kucinich was openly advocating my first priority and Edwards was saying the right things regarding my second priority.
My last choice among the candidates, Senator Clinton, did not seem likely to respect my first or second priorities so she became somene to work against during these primaries but if she got the nomination, I would have supported her against the republicans of course. By the time I could participate in the process of selecting a nominee, I ended up caucusing for Senator Obama because I no longer felt either my first or second choices had any chance against Sen. Clinton but Senator Obama still had a good chance against her. (Besides, I still liked him just fine.)
I'll say again that I had no problem with supporting Senator Clinton had it come down to it but she was last on my list from the moment she entered the race and in my mind I am glad for how things turned out. It is my hopes that Edwards gets picked for VP so he can fight corporatism...that is not an unrealistic hope. I would also love to see Kooch allowed to pursue the crooks in the bfee as AG, likely a VERY unrealistic hope but I can dream can't I?
I donated everything I could to Congressman Kucinich AFTER he dropped out in order to help him hold his seat in congress. It was my hopes he would continue to seek accountability for the bfee and I am happy to see that he continues our fight! I donated to Senator Obama shortly after the Wa. State Caucus. Got me a fine magnetic bumper sticker and a right fine nominee for my efforts I feel. (Am quite broke now but money well spent imo...would rather my little $$ went to these two than anywhere else truth be told!)
Since my donation to Senator Obama, he has made the statement that he would ask his AG to investigate potential crimes committed by the bush administration and if any were found he would let the Constitution be his guide! My foremost reason for wanting Dennis Kucinich has been suggested by my third-most choice and he is our nominee! It is my intention to try to hold him to this and I hope others here do so as well. Yep, I am quite pleased indeed with how things are turning out.
The ball is in your court now Senator Obama, Go get 'em tiger!
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78. I voted for Kucinich in 2004 |
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though I thought hard about Howard Dean. Among Kucinich's issues, of which I agree with all that I've seen, I really wish the Department of Peace idea would take off.
However, Kucinich did not come in at least second in his home state of Ohio. I did not support him in 2008 because he didn't seem viable.
I thought about Edwards, liked his stances on poverty and Katrina, though he voted for the war, and I don't find him as personally charismatic or substantive as a lot of folks do on the board. I've never been a big fan of either Clinton, though if not for the IWR vote and Bill Clinton fatigue I would have possibly supported Hillary Clinton.
I saw Obama speak in August 2007, became a soft supporter. The more I learned about him, the more I liked, and here's hoping for a big win in November!
Go Dems!
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79. Supported him for the presidency and then contributed to his Congressonal reelection |
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Mon Jun-16-08 05:12 PM
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81. He was my first choice. |
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Edwards was my second. I even voted for Edwards in the primary after he dropped out.
I am now on the Obama train. :hi:
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Mon Jun-16-08 05:13 PM
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Mon Jun-16-08 06:20 PM
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84. I did. So did my husband, mom and sister but we're an Obama family now. nt |
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Mon Jun-16-08 06:29 PM
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85. I was a Gore supporter, but I would have been fine with a Kucinich ticket |
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Unfortunately, the climate created in this country in recent years makes it impossible for him to be elected President. And thats a loss to all of us :evilfrown:
What this country IS ready for is his health care plan, and I believe that should be the actual goal of health care reform, not just a "someday" ideal. It's time to kick the corporatists out of health care, and return the focus to healing, not profits.
And we should all stand behind him on Chimpeachment. For that reason alone, Dennis should be the Speaker of the House in January. He certainly deserves it far more than Jellyfish Pelosi does.
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Mon Jun-16-08 06:33 PM
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86. yes Gore, Kucinich and then Obama |
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Mon Jun-16-08 06:34 PM
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Kucinich from the start, and Dodd in a almost tie approaching Iowa.
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