Chuck Todd ANOTHER ReTHUGlican HIDEOUS shill

[gaiilonfong]

Talking about the Move-on ad is going to backfire, backfire on what.....He claims by using a baby was very very bad.....
Ol'Chuckie T as his hideous NBC buddies call him has now become an EXPERT in political ads, strategy etc...he is a numbers cruncher he should stick to that.....he is WAY out of his league other than his numbers crunching..he needs to STFU

[ellacott]

1. I haven't seen the ad yet

What is supposed to be so bad about it?

[gaiilonfong]

2. It takes down McBush the warmonger

that is why the shills don't like it.....

[babylonsister]

41. It's here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x148453

[Cha]

62. Thanks babylonsis...

I think the ad is effective but I've been against the lies that perpetrated the War ON Iraq from the beginning and what's really "cheap" are the Iraqi babies, women, men, and our Soldiers that bushits' & mccain's LIES have slaughtered.

So we shall see won't we..if chuck todd's too sensitive to john mccain's fragil honor or not?

[Richardo]

3. What the hell are you prattling on about?

Any clues for those who aren't watching TV in the same room as you?

[hokies4ever]

7. MSNBC showed the latest moveon.org ad and had their pundits trash it

That's basically what happened. The ad has a woman and her new baby and she tells John McCain that he can't have her baby boy for his 100 year stay in Iraq. The ad starts off soft and lovely but takes a hard low blow at McCain. Definitely attention-grabbing and eye-opening the way it ends with the woman telling John McCain he can't have her baby. It might be a borderline cheap shot, but it sure is effective.

The MSNBC pundits thought the ad was a cheap shot and a low blow on McCain. Chuck Todd was the most vocal critic of it, pretty much describing it as a shameful ad. After listening to him on Race to the White House, it's clear that he has Republican leanings when he's giving his opinion but seems fairly neutral when he's analyzing the electoral map.

[Richardo]

11. MoveOn is the PETA of politics

I haven't seen it, but based on their past fuckups I have no doubt it's provocative and probably counterproductive.

'Betrayus' didn't backfire much, did it? :eyes:

[hokies4ever]

14. This has that type of backfire potential

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Have you sen the ad?

It is very powerful.

[rebel with a cause]

80. The people on Hardball like it!

They were political campaign people from failed campaigns (don't don't exactly who they were because I was on phone with doctor when they came on) and they thought the ad was effective.

[ProSense]

27. "The MSNBC pundits thought the ad was a cheap shot and a low blow on McCain." The ad isn't going to

backfire. (On edit: The media can stir up a fake controversy by harping on it. Feigned outrage = backfire.)

Not Alex

It's no surprise that the media is falling all over themselves to protect McCain's honor when he is the one who proposed staying in Iraq for 100 years. "Cheap shot"? Funny, they said nothing about McCain's 3 a.m. ad.

[Bunny]

12. Get with it, Richardo. It's about that Chuck guy. You know...the shill?

The one with the buddies at NBC? Where have you been lately? Under a rock?

:eyes:




:hi: Richie! :pals:

[Richardo]

15. My remote viewer is down this morning :-(

For some reason I just could not leave my body to watch TV over his shoulder - maybe I need more coffee. :hangover:

:pals: Bunny! :loveya:

[Hieronymus]

54. Oh my..

[Medusa]

4. I think he's right.

You may love the ad. I may love the ad. But this thing is going to be seen by mainstream America. It is very over-the-top and shocking, like the Goldwater flowergirl nuke bomb ad. That backfired on Goldwater's ass and this ad could backfire on ours. I don't think Chuck was out of his league in the least and his criticisim was very, very valid.

[gaiilonfong]

6. WHO will it backfire on?

The ReTHUGS will complain...so friggin what?
Chuck Todd is just a ReTHUG shill which bwecomes more apparent daily.....
The ad will move independents away from mcBush and it is not anywhere near as bad a s "Daisey"
It actually is valid and truthful

[hokies4ever]

9. The poster is drinking the MSNBC pundit Kool-Aid

They suggested that it might backfire too. Too bad it isn't from the Obama camp pundit idiots. :rofl:

[LawyersGunsandMoney]

17. You think the public can tell where an ad is from?

They'll just think of it coming from the Dems, period.

[hokies4ever]

18. Wrong!

Yeah, like people are going to say, "You know what? I was going to vote for Obama until I saw that moveon.org ad." Fat chance.

[Richardo]

23. I think his point was: they'll think it's an Obama campaign ad...

...and yes, that could turn some independents off.

[tishaLA]

40. I just watched it and I disagree with you

I think it's incredibly powerful to exactly those independents--people for whom McCain's plans are are simply abstractions. When they put a face, and an infant face, to the 100 year occupation, it brings it home...because the woman is an everywoman and the baby is an everybaby: white, decidedly middle class, etc.

[Medusa]

65. It happened in 1964

and the world is much more sensitive to media message now than ever before.

[bunnies]

38. You clearly havent seen it.

Its says: Paid for by Move On PAC's 3 million members...etc. I think they'll know who its from.

[Medusa]

67. and it's still over the top.

It's indeed a very powerful ad, but it's just too over the top and it could negatively backfire on Obama because it's in behalf of Obama. Do you honestly think people read the small print on those political ads? Sure we do, we're political junkies. The average person? No.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. so many noisy ciacada's sure like to trash moveon in this thread

[rebel with a cause]

81. Much todo over nothing.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. :rofl:

[WyLoochka]

13. Ummmmm that ad was run by LBJ

against Goldwater. LBJ won in a huge landslide.

[WeDidIt]

19. Um, the "Daisy Ad" was put out by Johnsons AGAINST Goldwater

It aired once and was so powerful Johnson won in a landslide.

[NWHarkness]

20. The Flower Girl was an LBJ ad

It was an ad against Goldwater, and it was, in fact, extremely effective.

[Occam Bandage]

39. um...the Flower ad was by LBJ. And was extraordinarily effective. That's not the comparison

you want to make.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

72. oy ciacads

[xxqqqzme]

78. The Daisy ad didn't backfire -it was

portraying Goldwater as nuke happy. "Vote for President Johnson on November third. The stakes are too high to stay home". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs-bTL-pRg

I think the 'Alex' ad will remind people that the publicans are coming for all your kids(unless you have money & power).

[rebel with a cause]

82. It is reminding people that the soldiers being sent to this war

are the babies of some mother. And if the war continues there will be more mothers sending their babies off to bush's war, only then it will have become mccain's war.

Too bad, like an earlier poster said, that these same people did not think about the Iraqi children that are dying in this war every day; much less the men and women.

[AZ Criminal JD]

84. The flowergirl nuke bomb ad was by Johnson not Goldwater.

[rox63]

5. I haven't seen the ad

Where can we see it, so we can judge for ourselves?

[gaiilonfong]

8. go to the move-on site

I am sure it is there.

[Buzz Clik]

10. snore. Yet another case of a DUer going insane because he doesn't like ONE comment.

Let's see ... ignore thread ... where is that? Ah, there it is.

[Richardo]

16. *Everybody's* a Republican shill.

:eyes:

[WeDidIt]

21. Say what you will, Chuck Todd is tuned in politically

and I would think the ad is probably over the top if he says it is.

DISCLAIMER: I haven't seen it yet.

[K Gardner]

26. It's not the best ad I've ever seen. Looks like it is targeted to reach "suburban women" with

children. It's not the worst I've ever seen either. Meh.

[WeDidIt]

31. Okay, I just saw the ad

Chuck Todd is on crack.

[rebel with a cause]

83. Changed you mind, heh?

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

55. Looked like a low income woman to me

The single mom who is sacrificing everything for her child, who is ignored way too much of the time. If it reaches them, fine I guess. Suburban women don't have to worry about their sons having no option but to join the army.

[GalleryGod]

66. Agreed. At the top of his game.

eom.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

74. chuck todd is a rethuglican always has ben...a corporate tool

[K Gardner]

22. I flipped the TV on, saw the ad - heard Mika doing her "Ooookay...", heard

Scab and the rest of the panel making smart-ass comments, and turned it off after Todd weighed in.

Evidently they're upset because Move On quoted McCain's 100 years comment and they think that line is "overdone".

Screw em. I am reminded why I don't watch this crap.

[ellacott]

24. They're going to have to deal with that 100 years comment

He said it and his explanation doesn't change the context. If they want to claim it was taken out of context then they will have to admit that Obama's bitter comment was also taken out of context.

[high density]

29. No kidding, McCain's context provides nothing additional to that "100 years" thing

The press is rolling over themselves trying to make that comment fall into a black hole, but the fact remains it is out there and it is very telling of what John McCain's foreign policy would be like.

[gkhouston]

44. They think it's overdone? Here's what I want to know:

McCain keeps likening Iraq to W. Germany or S. Korea, i.e., that we're talking about 100 years of peaceful and fairly uneventful occupation. Peaceful and uneventful occupation ain't what we got going on now. How many years of the current slaughter is McCain anticipating before that uneventful occupation phase begins? What happens when we reach the end of his mental "acceptable" deadline and things are still in the shitter? I think those are fair questions, given that we've turned more corners in Iraq than you see in an Escher print.

If the MSM thinks bringing up the 100 years quote is overdone, perhaps they should provide some additional content to it the next time they "clarify it" -- Just how likely are 100 peaceful years? When are they going to start? Who will be staffing those bases? Who's making money off constructing those bases (and staffing them, if the work is contracted out)?

[berni_mccoy]

25. Todd is no shill. He's been consistently accurate during the primaries. He's probably right

about the ad as well.

[K Gardner]

30. Not this time, he's not right.

[faithfulcitizen]

32. agreed. I like him, but this ad is spot on, imo.

[WeDidIt]

33. I saw the ad, he has to be smoking crack

that's the only explanation for dissing that ad.

[babylonsister]

42. See post#41 to view ad. nt

[kstewart33]

28. Oh, please.

He is no shill. He's the best newcomer to cable news reporting in years. Fair and very knowledgable.

Why do you slice and dice someone just because their analysis of a situation is contrary to yours?

[izzybeans]

34. He's paid to make wild speculations about whatever gets laid before him.

[Bullet1987]

35. The MSM hates anything associated with Moveon

The fact that it trashes McCain is also a big no-no.

[Major Hogwash]

49. That's because they can't control us. You know, that quaint idea of "we the people".

I haven't seen the ad, but Move On does damn good work.

Where in the Constitution does it say "According to NBC..."
Or CBS.
Or ABC.

No, it says "we the people" and we are them peeps.

[bunnies]

36. The ad sucks.

Plain and simple. Of all the things to hit McCain on... they chose to rehash that comment. And you know what? It DOES look like a dove soap commercial in the beginning. Chuck Todd is in NO way a republican shill. Get a hold of yourself.

[Blue_Roses]

68. that's what it reminds me of...

a Dove soap commercial. I couldn't put my finger on why I didn't like it and that's it. It's weak. I think they could've done better on attacking McCain than with the 100 year comment.

[Occam Bandage]

37. Chuck Todd is the best journalist at MSNBC. Certainly more insightful than

this post.

Oh, and the ad is stupid. I don't feel qualified to say if it's effective or not--maybe it is, maybe it ain't--but it's stupid.

[thewiseguy]

43. The ad was lame

[ampad]

45. This ad is powerful and spot on

and that is why the MSM does not like it. I'm not ready to lick the ass of Chuck Todd just because he has been right about the numbers. Numbers are usually cut and dry with no bias 1+1 =2 not most of the time, part of the time but all of the time. I have found that when Chuckie opens his mouth to give an opinion he tends to be a little biased. Nothing I'm not accustomed to as most of the pundits are biased even if they try to tel the public they are not, only a fool would not be able to pick up on their bias. As far as the ad goes, most of them know that this will have some type of impact. They also know that 100yrs comment is gonna have an impact and will be thrown up in McCain's face for this entire race. If the MSM gave a damn about "context" then you would think they would of analyzed the bitter comments with a little less bias but they couldn't do that. What about the Kerry comment? They were falling all over their ass to take that out of context now all of a sudden they care about context? It's just another example of the MSM picking and choosing when to be journalist and defending McCain is going to be hard for them to do this year. I mean.... with Scottie coming out and basically telling folks that the MSM carried the water of Dubya and his cronies. If they think the Scottie revelations did not resonate with the public then they are wrong. I don't think the MSM is going to be able to call this election like they have done the last two. As far as Chuckie goes well my opinion of him stands at: he is good at the numbers but biased as hell, IMO.

[writes3000]

51. This is an EXCELLENT reply. I love your "if the MSM is so concerned with context" comment.

Well done.

[PylesMalfunction]

46. I think the ad is great

I loathe PETA-style shock ads. I think they do more harm than good. That being said, I don't think the Move-On ad is controversial at all. I asked my Dad who's a republican voting for Obama if he thought it was over the top and he looked at me like I'm crazy. He thinks it's very effective. I called two new moms who aren't very politically active and had them watch it. They found it very powerful. I don't always agree with Move-On but I think this is well played.

[TwilightGardener]

47. I didn't see the ad, but after the "General Betrayus" stupidity, I don't doubt

that Todd's analysis is probably fair--probably another boneheaded move by Move On.

[gkhouston]

48. Watch the ad. I thought the "Betrayus" stuff was juvenile, but this ad

is going to hit home with a lot of parents, IMO.

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. Yes

It is very good. One of the best I have ever seen.

[Drunken Irishman]

52. It's true. Anytime you use babies/children, it could backfire.

But I've seen the ad and I don't think it'll hurt. It's just one of those types of things where it'll either work or really, really fail.

I don't think it failed.

[VolcanoJen]

56. Personally, I think it's a bad ad.

MoveOn can do much, much better. I found it to be manipulative, hyperbolic and distracting, honestly. I hope it goes away soon, because we can really do much better in quality and context.

[Blue_Roses]

69. well said

:thumbsup:

[Richardo]

79. I heard the soundtrack - and I stand corrected.

It's not provocative at all. Just trite. Plus what you said.

[book_worm]

57. I like Chuck Todd

[nonobadfish]

58. He may be wrong on this, but he's not a Republican. His background is Democratic.

He worked in Tom Harkin's campaign and his wife has a long history of democratic campaigns, most recently as Communications Director for Jim Webb's campaign. The rumor that she is working for the McCain campaign is false. She also was or is now part of a company that works with democratic campaigns called Maverick Strategies and Mail.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/11/AR2008051102075.html

http://www.maverickstrat.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=5

http://www.maverickstrat.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=8

[ElsewheresDaughter]

60. Jim Webb was a REPULICAN his ENTIRE LIFE until he ran for the Dem Senate seat in 06

Webb only switched parties in order to run against Allen...but make no mistake is a Rethuglican to the core


and Chuck Todd's wife and Chuck are both RETHUGLICVANS

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. of course he is and ALWAYS has ben...15 years as Editor in Chief of Hotline and National Journal up

Atlantic Monthly.....until Rusert hired him last year on MSNBC...they are both CORPTRATE SHILLS!!!

[nonobadfish]

61. I'm sorry, but if you'll look at their histories...long ties to democratic campaigns.

Altough if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, that's okay with me.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

71. who has long ties with democratic campaigns Todd? SURELY YOU JEST?

[MattP]

63. If they only followed your opinion they would be a tool, yours.

[Bill McBlueState]

64. I liked the ad, too.

But I'm just not the type to go from "I disagree with Chuck Todd on this one" to "ZOMG Chuck Todd SUXXX trite gooFILY CapITAliZED internet slang Eleven!!!!:" over one comment.

[iconicgnom]

70. It's an excellent ad.

It doesn't go "too far" or "not far enough", it's spot on.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

75. it is a brilliant ad!

[proud patriot]

76. I think a lot of mothers will appreciate the ad

I know I feel that way about my son .

[Phx_Dem]

77. Chuck Todd isn't a shill

for either side. He happens to have an opinion about an ad which you disagree with. That hardly makes him a "shill." I have never heard him opine about the candidates or the parties. I happen to think it's avery good ad, but Chuck is entitled to his opinion about the ad.