After This "(Expletive) You" to Hillary (Solis Doyle hire), Forget Clinton as VP

[LTR]

Here's some interesting analysis of the Obama campaign's hiring of former Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle to help pick a running mate. SF Chronicle columnist Joe Garofoli thinks this means that Clinton won't be on the ticket this fall. Or at least that's what some of her supporters think.

Buried in a list of new appointments the Obama campaign announced Monday was this: "Chief of Staff to the Vice Presidential Nominee: Patti Solis Doyle."

Remember Patti? She was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, until she got canned in February...er, left the campaign...

(snip)

The reaction from Hillaryland. A Clinton insider told CQ: "Translated subtitles aren't necessary. There is no other way to interpret this other than ' you.'"

Yeah, yeah, so this is inside-baseball stuff, right? Not really. If PSD is Obama's czarina of Vice Presidential Nominee, then guess who probably isn't going to get the nod? Uh-huh. And some of Hillary's peeps are p.o'd. Like San Francisco's own Susie Tompkins Buell. She told the Washington Post:

"It's a slap in the face," Buell said. "Why would they put somebody that was so clearly ineffective in such a position? It's a message. We get it." She said it was a "calculated decision" by the Obama team to "send a message that she is not being considered for the ticket."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/b/a/2008/06/16/nov05election-after_this_expl.DTL

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. "Unity" versus division.

It is an action by Obama. I do not understand it. If it was a "F" you, why would he do that? I thought he wanted to unite not divide.

Or is it another media-created story?

[madrchsod]

7. it certainly is

patti is well qualified to do what she is being asked to do. why would`t the guys from chicago pick one of their own who has one of best political minds and organization skills? it`s all a bunch of crap

[SurfingAtWork]

19. I'm guessing that the people who detest Obama anyways

Will still detest him for this, and those who support him will see this as a good move. Each mindset will interpret this in such a way as to reinforce what they already think of him.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. who are you looking at?

[SurfingAtWork]

23. I edited for you. I certainly didn't mean to imply that you weren't an ardent Obama supporter

:eyes:

[Evergreen Emerald]

25. Right...cause you are all about unity and not division.

Get on board the Obama campaign dude. What the hell is wrong with you?

Read my post and tell me what part of that caused you to treat me the way you did.

The media story is that the hiring of Solis was an "F"you. I wondered: 1. if the story is true, why would Obama do that, and 2. perhaps the story is not true. My response was reasonable.

Yours is divisive and ugly and attacking.

[SurfingAtWork]

27. I'll bite

You put unity in "", which I interpret to mean that you believe Obama, or his campaign is disingenuous in their calls for it.

Your next passage "It is an action by Obama. I do not understand it. If it was a "F" you, why would he do that?". I interpret that to mean that you are open to the possibility that it could have very well been a big "F" you to Clinton.

Next "I thought he wanted to unite not divide.

Or is it another media-created story?"

To me you are saying there that the media created story was that he wanted to unite, and not divide, not the "F" you part. This is reinforced by the fact that you chose to say "Unity", rather than Unity in your header.

Taken as a whole I interpereted your OP as concern trolling. I would also say that my posts were as innocuous as yours and didn't directly attack

[Evergreen Emerald]

29. I see. You have not gotten over the primaries and are suggesting

that I am less supportive than you because I do not agree 100% with what is going on in the campaign or on DU or in the media when it comes to Obama.

Unity: you are the one who is attacking me. That is not unity. That is pretend unity. That is why it is in quotes

Media created: did he hire her? What is her role? Was it an FU or was that created? For you to take it anyway else shows that you are not unified with dems and that anything I say you will attack.

Over all..I don't give a shit how you interpret my post. You are wrong. And your bias is causing you to attack me. You are violating the DU rules and acting not unified in the least. Your "unity" needs work.

This is a progressive board with a variety of ideas and ideals and values. I support dems and have since I started voting. But I do not support stupid attacks when I see them. That does not make me a freeper or less of a dem.

[LowerManhattanite]

33. Aaaah, let it rail...

They're just trying to bait you into breaking a board rule to get you knocked outta the box.

It's all some have left it seems.

[snooper2]

30. Patti has two brothers who are Chicago Aldermen...

And I believe she is friendly with David Axlerod..It's a trust thing



Oh, and Obama wouldn't be the nominee if it hadn't been for PSD :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ( heard that one on tv last night thought it was pretty funny :rofl: )



GOBAMA!

[slinkerwink]

2. Actually, Hillary Clinton supported this move

and issued a statement:

"Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States," said spokesman Mo Elleithee."

[NeedleCast]

9. After nearly two decades in political life

That quote right there is, I think, why PSD was ineffective for the Clinton campaign. I'm not a political insider, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about but most of Hillary's troubles seemed that she was running a campaign from two decades ago and that's not what people wanted this time around. Her campaign never really was able to change vectors and establish what I'd call a positive track. I remember after Super Tuesday that her campaign went through all these attempted slogans and none of them really struck or resonated with the people.

I'm not sure I like the idea of Obama putting her in the position she's in, but I don't have much say in that.

[Stephanie]

10. "the ability to tap an extensive network" means dig into their pockets, I think

She's connected, even if she's a poor manager. She's a fundraising asset, period.

[slinkerwink]

11. Doyle-Solis is great as a chief of staff. She's not cut out for campaign manager.

And that's not the role she's in the Obama camp. She's basically going to be chief of staff.

[grantcart]

40. I like you have no idea what I am talking about but simply because she

was ineffective in that position does not mean that she isn't capable and could provide valuable help in another position.

[chimpymustgo]

31. Well that's a lie, to say Hillary supported this move. That's just patently FALSE.

Change we can believe in.

[rodeodance]

34. yeah, your change still has a big chip on the shoulder

[grantcart]

39. Really? so you are saying that the Clinton spokesperson is lying?

[grantcart]

38. Clinton spokeswoman on one hand and you on the other yes that is a

tough one. Who has more credibility?

Of course the logic is that some people still have bills to meet and it may have been all worked out between the two campaigns very harmoniously. It is also logical to consider that Senator Obama and his campaign which has made efforts to praise Senator Clinton extensively and repeatedly would just carelessly throw it all away with a useless insult. Your point of view is premised on two points:

1) Senator Obama foolishly wants to insult Senator Clinton.

2) Senator Clinton has no affection for her long term subordinate and does not want to see her go on in another capacity.

What is clear is that you have an absolute desire to create bad will between the campaigns and will go so far as to completely dismiss the public pronouncements of the Clinton campaign and in effect smear both Clinton and Obama.

[grantcart]

35. exactly BTW do you have a link please?

[Tarheel_Dem]

3. Needless to say, I disagree with Ms. Buell's assessment, but for

some Clinton supporters, anything gets their undies in a twist. How do we know that HRC wouldn't be thrilled to work with PSD again? I think Penn & Wolfson used her as a scapegoat. That being said, some of Hillary's supporters look for any reason to slam Obama because they're still pissed.

[babylonsister]

4. Yep. Their faux outrage is getting old. nt

[yurbud]

6. PR firm generated outrage seems pretty easy to see through

[blondeatlast]

32. Indeed. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. For the most rabid of them, nothing Obama does will ever be good enough. Why?

Because he's not Hillary, and that's sad. There's a primary holdover here, who never misses an opportunity to take a backhanded swipe at Obama, but she's allowed to post without interruption, while some of our posts in response to her are deleted with impunity.

I thought we were supposed to be in the unity phase now. Oh well......:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

12. well, Mediawhores like Abrahms don't help. They can't let go of Hillary as a wedge

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. Precisely. I'm sorry, but I can't watch Abrams. I don't like his interview

style, and anyplace that gives Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson a place to rant & rave is off limits for me.

[burythehatchet]

28. Dan Abrams has got to be one of the dimmest bulbs I've seen on the idiot box.

I hope he isn't passing himself off as a lawyer.

[madrchsod]

5. what a bunch of shit....

because she worked for hillary she`s not supposed to work for obama? people really should get a grip on reality.

[bunnies]

13. Solis Doyle has known Axelrod longer than either of the Clintons.

No one mentions that though. :eyes:

[Renew Deal]

14. She was never suited to be a campaign manager.

She should be able to handle this position.

[Buzz Clik]

15. So this is like dating your best friend's ex-girlfriend? You just don't do it?

We've been down the road of Clinton spokesmen's "I'm shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- by Obama's behavior!!!" many times. It's worn thin and has lost all impact.

Clinton's campaign gave Obama evertything he could handle. Hiring a former higher-up in the Clinton campaign is a great way for the Obama crowd to gain insight into Obama's vulnerabilities.

And, please -- anyone seriously believing that Clinton will be Obama's VP pick simply has not been paying attention.

[melody]

17. The "insider" must not be terribly inside

... since Clinton gave her blessing to the hiring.

[davidpdx]

18. Admittedly I wasn't too thrilled about it when I first heard about this

but after talking to some people, it seem like it probably is a good move for his campaign. I tend to agree, Hillary is not going to be the VP nominee.

[kenny blankenship]

21. Jesus, the craziness never ends

[Occam Bandage]

22. "Why would they put somebody that was so clearly ineffective"

Patti Solis Doyle is an excellent organizer and director. She's terrible at leadership. This is a perfect spot for a valuable asset.

"You're so vain, you probably think this hiring decision is about you..."

[goodhue]

24. What baffles me is hiring VP chief of staff before VP is selected

Is there any precedence for such a move. It makes little sense to me.

[ieoeja]

26. Everyone said the first thing Obama should do to win over Hillary supporters was...

... to bring some of her people into his campaign. So he does it, starting naturally with a Chicago native, and Hillary supporters call it a slap in the face.

WTF?!?

[casus belli]

42. Some supporters aren't going to be won over...

and I, for one, wouldn't be at all disappointed if we stooped trying. We've better things to do than play appeasement games with adults who are behaving like spoiled children, demanding they be catered to - holding their vote out as a carrot in a race with no end. I don't know if it's something to do with wanting to feel as though they still have relevance, or whether they just enjoy causing disruption because they are disappointed in the outcome. In either case, I think it's time we move on without them and hope that their better judgement prevails in November.

[ieoeja]

45. I noticed most of those still complaining first joined DU this election cycle.

I also recognized a couple from previous years who were always on a militant feminist attack. "All men are inherently evil," and that sort of thing.

Oddly the only "Whites are genetically racist" DUer I ever knew on this board has been Anybody-But-Obama since day one. A Black man getting the nomination would put a serious dent in his "Blacks can not get ahead" argument. But he found a way around that by essentially arguing that we only nominated a token African-American to ameliorate our guilty feelings -- if we are genetically racist; would we feel guilty? -- and to trick African-Americans into continuing their support of the party.

These people are little better than the mass of Republican voters who take such great comfort in their victimhood.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Forget Clinton as a VP?

Oh noes! What ever shall we's do?

[JVS]

44. I will dance.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Someone was promised a knock-down, drag out Democratic Party infight, and they aren't getting it.

Must be terribly, terribly frustrating... particularly for certain elements of the press.

Why, the whole annoying situation has probably driven Rush Limbaugh to up his meds.

Waaaah.

[casus belli]

41. "It's a slap in the face"

Seems that those are easy to come by when you're actively looking for them. If I had a dime for every "slapped face" or "person thrown under the bus", I could probably fund a GE run myself.

This really is just more of the same - people looking for reasons to dislike something about Obama and/or his campaign. And for some, any reason will do.

[TexasObserver]

43. There are several ways this could be read.

Mean to Hillary:

How dare he pick the woman she fired?! That's an insult to Hillary!


Nice to Hillary:

How nice that he reached out to the woman who worked so long for Hillary. Maybe this bodes well for Hillary as VP.


Neutral to Hillary:

How nice that our nominee has reached across into the Hillary camp and gotten someone who can help him win, as Hillary wants him to do.