I dont get the Patti Doyle move

[thewiseguy]

Patti was the ex chairman of Hillary Clinton's campaign. She was fired and was said to be in talks with the Obama team before the primaries were over. It should be noted that Patti and Hillary are not much of friends right now.

So now Patti Doyle is the chief of staff of the future VP. What has she done to grant such an appointment? By all account she did not do a good job as Hillary's campaign chief.

Plus, Obama has maintained that Hillary's name would be on the shortlist of VP choices. Patti Doyle's appointment really does send the wrong message. Why was it so critical to appoint the VP chief of staff before we even had a VP candidate?

Can someone shed some light on this move for me? I like to know why?

[polichick]

1. High profile Latino.

[thewiseguy]

4. So no Richardson or Hillary on the ticket?

[polichick]

11. No Hillary for sure - but maybe Richardson likes this chief of staff.

[DefenseLawyer]

2. Um, because he won and he gets to choose the staff he wants?

I'm just a caveman, but that's my final answer.

[beachmom]

3. Outreach to Latinos. Plus, she was put in the wrong job and that is why she failed.

Hillary supports this decision of Obama's to hire her, btw.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. I think those are all good questions

And the stories we see are superficial and based on innuendo and gossip rather than fact.

He is talking unity and if the stories are true, why would he do an "f" You to Clinton? It makes no sense. That is why I find the conclusions (based on the innuendo and gossip) suspect.

I want to wait and see what the truth is.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

15. Why do people keep saying this is a 'F' you to Hillary when she approves >.> n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. I know. There are two different stories circulating

One is that it is offensive while the other is that it is a good thing approved by Clinton.

[ieoeja]

40. Let us assume that neither of them spoke to Hillary about this.

Would you, Evergreen Emerald, think this is a "fuck you" to Clinton?

Because my jaw just won't stop dropping every time I see that statement. I *get* the logic. But it is logic based on a theory that is made up out of thin air. It is logic for someone who is just looking for something by which they can be offended. It makes as much sense as Ronald Reagan's plan to cut the deficit by lowering taxes and increasing spending.

[leftynyc]

37. Because some people want to

continue fighting the primary wars. Probably pukes who would like the attention not to be on their pathetic candidate.

[bunnies]

6. She's a long time friend of David Axelrod.

Longer than she's known the Clintons.

[yeswecanseattle]

41. I buy that. nt

[Canuckistanian]

44. As good a reason as any

Can we assume that she's a good administrator who may have had a difference or two with her former employer and leave it at that?

















Didn't think so.

[IADEMO2004]

45. Was she a mole?

[grantcart]

7. All we can do is speculate - for all we know the Clinton campaign requested a favor for

a person that they held great affection for and who may be a great asset but was in the wrong position.

The Obama campaign has been very clever in its senior campaign staffing.

[chimpymustgo]

22. Oh let's drop the coy b.s.. It's a slap at Hillary, saying YOU WILL NOT BE VP.

Geez.

[grantcart]

32. lol In order to sustain your bull shit response it would be premised on

an assumption that the Clinton's are vindictive in nature and have nothing but ill will towards Doyle.

You have absolutely no evidence that this hasn't been done with the blessings of the Clintons.

Do you believe that simply because they moved Doyle out that they remain hostile to her having a successful professional career in

politics beyond the HRC presidential campaign? That is a very spiteful interpretation of the Clintons.

You simply will go out of your way to try and stoke antagonism between the Clinton and Obama supporters.

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[Cha]

47. You drop the coy bs ...

Obama is our candidate and you're disrupting our work.

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[Zhade]

50. How is that a slap? It's not like Obama owes her the slot.

NT!

[demokatgurrl]

33. Well except for Johnson. nt

[SteppingRazor]

8. Well, who DOES get along well with Patti Solis Doyle?

Answer that question, and you'll go a long way toward guessing the VP pick.

Or, consider that politicians would bring their own campaign staff to bear. Ex-military, however, probably would not ...

[polichick]

18. Richardson??

[slinkerwink]

9. Patti is best as a chief of staff, not as campaign manager

and she's good with Latino outreach.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Apparently Clinton fired the wrong campaign staff.

Given the results.

[Thrill]

12. She is not as bad as people make her out to be

She was the scapegoat for Hillary and Penn's failures

[Pirate Smile]

13. I believe she is good friends with Axelrod and some of Obama's Chicago

advisers. They've known her for a long time - like her and trust her. She may not be qualified to be a lead campaign manager but she may be a very competent behind the scenes manager.

I think the hire had more to do with her relationships with advisers in the Obama camp then with trying to dis Hillary.

[snooper2]

14. She has two brothers who are Chicago Aldermen

and is close friends with Axlerod apparently...

Not to hard to figure out..Obama want's people around he can trust

[Median Democrat]

16. Hillary Supports The Move - MSM Trying To Stir The Pot

Until Hillary or her official spokesman contradicts the following, then I am taking them at their word, and ignoring the chatter of so-called Hillary "supporters."

On Yahoo

"Solis Doyle, who stepped down as Clinton's campaign manager in February, is the only former high-profile Clinton staffer to join Obama's camp so far. Clinton replaced Solis Doyle with longtime aide Maggie Williams after she and Obama essentially split the 22-state Super Tuesday contests on Feb. 5.

Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said Solis Doyle will be a good addition to the campaign. "As Senator Clinton has said, we're all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next president of the United States," he said."

Also, a further explaination by Mo Elleithee to the Atlantic:

“Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States."

[BeatleBoot]

17. There's about 18 million reasons why its a good move.

Smart move.

[SeaLyons]

20. I disagree...

quite the opposite....I think it's viewed by those 18 million "reasons" as a slap in the face to Clinton. I don't see any rational reason why Obama did it.

[polichick]

21. As msnbc suggested, maybe it's a "KEEP OUT" signal to the Clintons...

But maybe it's just Obama picking up talent wherever he finds it.

[goldcanyonaz]

34. If thats the case I guess they should not campaign for him, right?

[thewiseguy]

23. The Obama campaign should consider how Hillary supporters may view such appointments

I do not expect Hillary to criticize such a move. She is a fellow democrat colleague and committed to helping Obama out no matter what. Her supporters are the ones Obama has to consider.

[Median Democrat]

25. Which Supporters? Ickles Camp or Penn Camp?

The problem with trying to placate Hillary's supporters is that certain camps within her campaign hate each others guts. Ickles and Penn for example detest each other. So, if a member of one camp does something, expect the other to criticize it.

NPR:

"Penn had been a highly controversial figure in the campaign, and was rumored to have few allies. After the early disaster for Clinton im Iowa, many wanted him removed. But her comeback in New Hampshire helped him retain his position. Many reporters, pundits and bloggers, however, have commented since then that Penn was not liked by many in the campaign. At one point, he and fellow top Clinton adviser Harold Ickles seemed to engage in a round of finger pointing over Clinton's problems."

[Median Democrat]

24. Wait, Why Did Hillary Retain Her As A Long Time Aide?

I don't understand why some Hillary "supporters" are throwing Solis Doyle under the bus by suggesting that she is incompetent or disloyal? First, if she is incompetent, does that suggest that Hillary is a poor manager given that she retained her out of blind loyalty?

Second, isn't Obama supposed to be trying to court former Hillary supporters and campaign workers? How can he do so, if whenever he hires a former Hillary supporter, the sniping begins about that person being disloyal?

I personally think that Hillary is pretty smart, and that she would not retain an incompetent person on her staff for so long.

[thewiseguy]

27. VP chief of staff is a pretty sensitive and touchy area right now

I would not have paid much attention if Patti was appointed to any other position.

Many of Hillary's supporters wish for her to become the VP and this appointment under these circumstances just baffles me.

[polichick]

29. It probably does say NO - which is what they all need to get.

[Median Democrat]

31. You Damned If You Do, You're Damned If You Don't

I understood that Obama was encouraged to hire former Clinton staffers in an effort to unify the campaign. The problem I see is that Hillary's campaign is so factionalized that these factions will attack each appointment or hiring in an effort to gain an advantage over another faction. The hiring of Solis-Doyle underscores this point. Hillary, herself, praises the hiring of Solis-Doyle, yet factions within Hillary's campaign (the Mark Penn wing) are attacking it. I am sure if Obama was to hire a Mark Penn-wing worker, then Harold Ickles would attack it as a slap in the face of Hillary.

[Peregrine Took]

26. Didn't I read that she wanted to spend time at home with her little kids?

That's why she "quit" HRC's campaign.

[union_maid]

28. I'm sure it's not an FU

Talking to a NY Obama delegate about their first meeting together with former Clinton delegates - supers and pledged - there's no doubt that the Obama campaign is all about unity. They indicated to the Obama delegates very clearly about this. They're putting Clinton delegates into Obama campaign offices. No way they're going to make a gesture designed to be offensive at this point. They just probably thought she brought something they could use.

[asjr]

30. Our God-awful media had to rile people

up for ratings and thought this a good way to get it done. There is probably nothing underhanded or iffy about it at all.

[CK_John]

35. Maybe a part of helping to pay down the debt, backpay and benefits. n/t

[ieoeja]

38. Chicago: home to Obama, Patti and her brother (an elected Democratic official) n/t

[thoughtcrime1984]

39. Those who purport to know the current status of Solis Doyle's relationship

with the Clintons are purely speculating. The last thing Obama would do is send a big FU to ANY Democrat, especially Hillary. He needs them all on board, he knows it, and the motives for this appointment, although unknown to us at this time, most assuredly is not to piss anybody off.

[emilyg]

42. Good reasoning.

[AllentownJake]

43. This is a message to the future VP not to Hillary

Obama will pick your staff and manage your message you will not go off message. You will be one of my closest advisors however you will be the number 2.

Why is picking her great is because she has ties to Axelrod and he thinks she can be trusted and she is being given another opportunity after being thrown under the bus by certain people in her last campaign. Giving someone who is talented that failed another opportunity is a way to inspire loyalty in that person.

So he has someone he can trust to manage the VP and the VP's message.

[GoldieAZ49]

46. she did a great job for HRC, no wonder Obama would want her on his campaign

I keep hearing it is a message to HRC that she isn't the VP pick...the media is saying what the campaign won't?

besides, the VP selects their own staff, including the chief of staff.

[madrchsod]

48. she is smart,great organizational skills,knows a lot of people

and her brother is the most powerful latin american in the chicago democratic party and is well respected across the country. could be a long shot for obama senate seat in the future..
if anyone does`t understand why he would pick, well get a clue...it`s politics

[Zhade]

49. I'd be extremely surprised if Obama makes the strategic blunder of putting clinton on the ticket.

She endorsed mcLame over him - the video's already being used in mcLame's campaign ads - and he could easily prove her a liar by playing the Tuzla video.

[tekisui]

51. She is Chief of Staff to the VP CANDIDATE.

Not the VP/ This is for the Campaign. She has deep and plenty connections. She has strong ties to Latino Democrats.

The future VP will undoubtedly get to pick their own Chief of Staff, once in office. Obama's campaign knows what they are doing, and they are in charge of everything during this campaign.