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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:39 AM
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Close Race: McCain Stays in Range Amid Challenges for Obama
Bush Disapproval at New High, Record Number Say Country is on 'Wrong Track'

ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER
June 17, 2008

The latest ABC News/Washington Post poll underscores the conundrum of the 2008 presidential election: If everything is so good for Barack Obama, why isn't everything so good for Barack Obama?

Disapproval of George W. Bush has reached a record high for any president in modern polls, a record number of Americans say the country is on the wrong track, Democrats hold a significant advantage in partisan affiliation and Obama leads John McCain on a range of issues and personal attributes, as well as in sheer enthusiasm.

Yet Obama has less of a head-to-head advantage against McCain than these views would imply.

Among all Americans, Obama leads by a fairly narrow 6 points; among those most likely to vote -- an estimate that it's admittedly early to make -- the two are locked in a dead heat.

In generic preference in local congressional elections, by contrast, the Democrats lead the Republicans by 15 points, a wide 52-37 percent, among all adults.

Obama's advantage vs. McCain is about the same as in an ABC/Post poll last month -- no bounce from Obama's victory in the long-fought Democratic nomination campaign.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/story?id=5177916&page=1

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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:41 AM
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1. MSM wants to make this look closer that it really is
I recommend electoral-vote.com
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:45 AM
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3. Yep, they're addicted to tehr atings the Dem Primary generated
and are sickened about things dropping off now that it's been decided and we have an exciting Dem Candidate (whoidh would have been the case either way the Dem primary went) and a ho-hum boring assed Republican.

It'll be a lopsided race and teh M$M knows it, so they prop up McCain as much as possible to try and tighten things up so they can generate some ratings and thus revenue.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:50 AM
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5. Do NOT be fooled. It is closer than you think. This country
is still radically divided; to believe otherwise would be folly. That is why we cannot give up and we have to have a VP that everyone likes (and the initials aren't HC).
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:45 AM
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2. Yawn. If they can't fabricate a horse race, they'd have nothing to talk
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 11:45 AM by babylonsister
about. And that war and the economy? Pshaw!
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:06 PM
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14. Frank Rich's column on Sunday hit this one out of the park
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 01:08 PM by abernste
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/opinion/15rich.html?em&ex=1213848000&en=c26c762949842d64&ei=5087

Here's a sample:

"There are many ways that Mr. Obama can lose this election. But his 6-percentage-point lead in the Journal-NBC poll is higher than Mr. Bush’s biggest lead (4 points) over Mr. Kerry at any point in that same poll in 2004. So far, despite all the chatter to the contrary, Mr. Obama is not only holding on to Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic constituencies but expanding others (like African-Americans). The same cannot be said of Mr. McCain and the G.O.P. base.

That story is minimized or ignored in part because an unshakable McCain fan club lingers in some press quarters and in part because it’s an embarrassing refutation of the Democrats-in-meltdown narrative that so many have invested in. Understating the splintering of the Republican base also keeps hope alive for a tight race. As the Clinton-Obama marathon proved conclusively, a photo finish is essential to the dramatic and Nielsen imperatives of 24/7 television coverage."


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:57 PM
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28. Thanks for that; yes, he speaks the truth! nt
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:46 AM
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4. *panics*
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:54 AM
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6. I think that at this point the race is very tight.
I mentioned before that I had expected Obama to get a bigger bump when Hillary dropped out than the 6 - 7 points he got, but people jumped down my throat.

I don't think it's mostly due to racism either. To dismiss it as such is simplistic.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:56 AM
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7. If only Hillary had won, she'd be way ahead by now!
:eyes:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:57 AM
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8. This thread is not about Hillary.
Play nice........
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:04 PM
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11. You're the one who mentioned your expectations, why.... for rhetorical sake?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:15 PM
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12. Oh, nooooo, of course it's not.
Lil' ol' you would neeeever do something like that ...
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:07 PM
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15. how stupid do you think we all are? you aren't fooling anybody with this shit.
:eyes:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:00 PM
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9. Obama is winning in battle ground states like Penn and Ohio and even has MOE even in VA. Don't know
...what your point is about your expectations. I haven't seen any evidence it would be different with Hillary
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 12:03 PM
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10. If McCain was ahead. They would be saying he is running away with it. This is so typical
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:04 PM
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13. LOL! K&R so all may see the passive/aggressive sniping. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:08 PM
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16. It's best to think that Obama is behind by 10 points at this time
Overconfidence can kill a candidacy. Let's act like we're behind and obviously want to get back in the lead.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:09 PM
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17. 200 people at McCain events clearly equals 20,000.
It's undebatable.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:11 PM
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18. Why the uptick in all the "concern" posts and divisive posts lately? nt
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:19 PM
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21. It couldn't possibly be pushing the envelope on the post-primary GD-P rules,
could it?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:20 PM
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23. Oh no. They wouldn't do that, would they? :) nt
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:16 PM
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19. Thanks for your concern. IBTL
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:18 PM
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20. Hey look! Y'all know how to coordinate!
Good for you!

:eyes:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:20 PM
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22. Coordinating isn't that hard. Bullshit goes with everything. n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:23 PM
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24. Oh, no! nt
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:26 PM
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25. When he's six points behind, then you can get nervous.
This is good news to anybody but our Awesome Liberal Media, BeaCool.

And if Obama can win Ohio (new PPP data has him leading McCain by eleven points!), that's it. Game, set, match. Do the electoral math.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:28 PM
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26. This is going to be a slaughter...McCain has had a free ride,
for all of his gaffes, misstatements and buffoonery, the first "debate" will turn the nation against him; if there is a second, he's done. It will become apparent that he has nothing except drive the nation deeper into debt, keep the war going of for ever and sit idly by as the Robber Barons take hold of the reigns of the economy....teh only HOPE he has, is Hoping to get elected.

And BTW...the GOP is going down with him, both Houses will turn with numbers that will make the GOP heads spin. It will take a generation of more to recover, and even then, they will make minor gains.

Here in Nebraska, D registrations are up some 150%, almost all of them young and eager to get the GOP out of power. There is a surge of voters that despise what bush has done to this nation.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:41 PM
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27. He's ahead by six, but abc says Obama is the one who faces challenges.
:eyes:


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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:11 PM
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29. More astonishing is how McCain is doing so badly with a united Republican Party.
He has run out of places to get votes. He is polling at about 85-90% of Republicans and still can't make headway. Once our party fully unites Obama will have a ten point lead.
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