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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:20 AM
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Quinnapiac Battleground Updates: Florida - Obama +4, Ohio - Obama +6, Pennsylvania - Obama +12
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 06:24 AM by malik flavors
June 18, 2008 - Obama Leads McCain In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Clinton On The Ticket Does Not Help Dems --- FLORIDA: Obama 47 - McCain 43; OHIO: Obama 48 - McCain 42; PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 52 - McCain 40

With strong support from women, blacks and younger voters, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the apparent Democratic presidential contender, leads Arizona Sen. John McCain, expected to be the Republican candidate, among likely voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today.


This is the first time Sen. Obama has led in all three states. No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University polls show:
Florida: Obama edges McCain 47 - 43 percent;
Ohio: Obama tops McCain 48 - 42 percent;
Pennsylvania: Obama leads McCain 52 - 40 percent.

In the three states, Obama leads McCain 10 to 23 percentage points among women, while men are too close to call. The Democrat trails among white voters in Florida and Ohio, but gets more than 90 percent of black voters in each state. He also has double-digit leads among young voters in each state.


"Finally getting Sen. Hillary Clinton out of the race has been a big boost for Sen. Barack Obama. He now leads in all three of the major swing states, although his margins in Florida and Ohio are small," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.


"Sen. Obama is certainly not out of the woods, but these results are a good indication that he enters the summer slightly ahead in the race to be the next president."


While Democrats support the idea, independent voters in each state say Obama should not choose Sen. Clinton as his vice presidential running mate. Results are:
Florida: Democrats want Clinton on the ticket 57 - 33 percent while Republicans are opposed 59 - 17 percent and independents oppose it 46 - 37 percent;
Ohio: Democrats want Clinton for Vice President 58 - 31 percent, but Republicans say no 60 - 19 percent and independents turn thumbs down 47 - 31 percent;
Pennsylvania: Democrats say yes to Clinton 60 - 31 percent, while Republicans say no 63 - 20 percent and independents nix the idea 49 - 36 percent.

"If Sen. Obama seriously is thinking about picking Sen. Clinton as his running mate, these numbers might cause him to reconsider. The people who really matter come November - independent voters - turn thumbs down on the idea. And, many say they are less likely to vote for him if he puts her on the ticket," Brown added.


"One in five voters say McCain's age is a reason to vote against him. But overwhelmingly they don't see Obama's race as a factor at all - indicating that Americans are either much less concerned with race, or just don't want to tell callers what they really think on the subject."


President Bush's approval ratings are:
27 - 66 percent in Florida;
22 - 71 percent in Ohio;
24 - 72 percent in Pennsylvania.

Fifty to 58 percent of voters in each state list the economy as the most important issue in deciding how they will vote.


By almost 2 - 1 margins in each state, voters say going to war in Iraq was wrong. But they split between Obama's plan to withdraw U.S. troops under a fixed timetable and McCain's plan to keep troops there until the situation stabilizes and then withdraw without a set schedule.


"The only good news for McCain in these numbers is that despite voters' views on the war, he is holding his own with them about where to go from here," said Brown.

More:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1187
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:21 AM
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1. PA that much? They must have forgotten to poll central PA. nt
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:58 AM
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7. Just because people are loud doesn't mean they're numerous.
And many people understand that *ANY* Democrat is better
for them than *ANY* Republican.

Tesha
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:12 AM
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9. Now, come on! If you're in PA, you KNOW we're True Blue in the GE and always have been.
This ain't no "battleground".
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:20 AM
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12. Almost all of the "T" and SW (east of Pittsburgh ) are racist; that's what worries
me. Out east and in Pittsburgh we will be OK.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:16 AM
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19. I am about sick of this one ...
I will say upfront, that Pa has in the recent past had a bizarre portion of KKK type groups ...

That being said, living in Pa, I cannot let the "Almost all of the T are racist" statement ...

The T IS clearly "conservative" ... But, not in a mindbending bible thumping way like deep south states NOR is there the institutionalized "racism" that exists in deep south states ... Not many african americans live in the T, and a portion would clearly be ignorant in simply not having been exposed to those of color of ethnicity ... But, it isn't an broad sweeping active racism per se ...

Central Pa is going to break, probably by a smaller margin than you think, McCain's way ... But, the overwhelming amount of people voting for him will be doing so for baseline "conservative" reasoning, not because they don't want one of them there negros in the white house ...

People here are more progressive than even they know ... Again, it ain't deep south ... They just are in no hurry ...
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:58 AM
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27. Sorry that I overstated it. I see too much of it and over reacted.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:21 PM
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54. Oh, the "T"!
I get it now. Hadn't heard that term before.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:53 AM
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38. You bet - PA will be a glorious midnight blue this fall! :)
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:59 PM
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53. I can't wait to see that. :)
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:25 AM
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22. The Obama campaign registered 100,000 new Democrats in PA.
Those people are now on the rolls and ready to be called.

It's not that they forgot to poll central PA, it's just that central PA has gotten a lot smaller, electorally speaking.

In this poll, you are seeing the impact of a Democratic majority, not just in Philadelphia county, but in Montgomery, Bucks, Delaware and, yes, even Chester counties as well.

:woohoo:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:55 AM
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39. True dat!!!!!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:21 AM
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2. Sweet!!!
I was just wondering the other day when the next Quinnipiac 3-state poll was coming out. I was hoping he'd pull ahead in Ohio, but Florida is a big surprise.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:26 AM
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3. Ouch...those numbers for Hillary as VP don't look promising
Did those numbers turn that fast? I could have sworn she helped him in recent polls.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:26 AM
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4. Please let this hold! I'm glad Obama is preparing for the shit that
the Republicans are about to sling his way.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:33 AM
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5. Yep, when the rethugs saw these numbers they started getting the 527s ready.
They can't beat him on the issues, so they have to dirty him up.

It should be a wild October.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:42 AM
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6. Awesome!!! I missed these this morning.
Thanks for posting this, malik flavors!

:kick: :thumbsup:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:10 AM
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8. The number to watch is 50
Anything over 50% indicates a good shot at winning the state.

That said, PA looks possible. FL and Ohio still a toss up.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:19 AM
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10. Sweet!
:kick:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:20 AM
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11. But, but, but . . . the white working class voters.
Didn't they get the MSM message?:sarcasm:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:30 AM
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13. Clinton weakness among independents are the reason all along why she won't be VP
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ram2008 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:49 AM
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14. Wow thats a huge electoral lead
He's even winning in Florida where he hasn't really campaigned, and had the whole drama with the half delegates.

McCain seems like toast unless there some sort of national security crisis.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:52 AM
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15. I still believe out of the Big 3 (Big 4 if you include Michigan)
Florida will be the hardest. Both OH and FL thought will require some work.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:21 AM
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20. This recent polling is encouraging ...
but I personally am not counting on Florida ...

I think PA and Ohio are VERY doable, and IMO, the "battleground" will be Michigan ...
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:26 AM
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23. Michigan will go blue.
McCain couldn't win his own primary here.

Don't let the Clinton supporting, primary
ruining Michigan leaders scare you.

We will be firmly behind Obama.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:34 AM
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25. I'm willing to call MI as well...IF...
Michigan Obama supporters get off their asses, get down to Detroit and start registering people. This is the most significant setback y'all suffered by not having a primary.

The Obama campaign registered 100,000 new Dems in PA ahead of our primary.

That's why Obama is so far ahead in PA, but still relatively weak in MI.`
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:34 AM
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35. I agree completely.
The party apparatus was AGAINST Obama, and
I personally have held back from much of the
volunteer work I did in the last election
because, although HC would have gotten my
vote, I WOULD NOT work for her. I have been
working for and supporting individual progressives
because of the belligerent DLC attitude of the
MDP and our elected representatives.

Michigan desperately grabbed DLC coat-tails
during the Bush years because they had the
only limited power that there was to help
the automotive industry here.

The PEOPLE will vote for Obama, but the
PARTY needs to get their act together.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:53 AM
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16. YES, WE CAN!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:55 AM
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17. Gobama! Gobama!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:56 AM
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18. Wow...+12 in PA!
What great news...thanks for the info! K&R
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:23 AM
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21. Hillary Who?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:11 AM
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41. I think it's "John Who?" now.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:26 AM
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42. Sorry, but after months of "look at the polls in the swing states"
it's "Hillary Who?" that comes to my mind first.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:30 AM
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24. I told you guys McCain didn't stand a chance in Pennsylvania.
The rest of the state simply cannot overcome Philly, especially when we have Independents on board, which it looks like we do.

I'm anticipating seeing much less of those ridiculous McCain commercials here.

:woohoo:
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:41 AM
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26. I've been waiting for a poll from Florida.
Obama is showing some great progress here. I think he will take this state. McCain and Crist just announced that they support offshore drilling which would affect the interests of both developers and environmentalists. Obama is just getting started campaigning here and has shown movement despite few visits or advertisement. Quinnipiac had the race, 45 McCain to 41 Obama in the middle of May. Obama has jumped eight points in this poll.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:04 AM
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28. So much for the unelectable argument
I can hear the toilets flushing now.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:15 AM
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29. There's NO BOUNCE!! NO BOUNCE I TELL YOU!!!
He should be ahead by a million points by now!!!!

:sarcasm:
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:19 AM
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31. Yea, the pundits were looking for the bounce in the wrong place. It comes in state polling.
And, i'd rather have a battleground state bounce than a national bounce anyday.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:21 AM
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32. There's Was A Significant National Bounce Too
n/t
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:47 AM
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37. I wouldn't say significant. It's been about 4 points nationally.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:08 AM
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40. It Depends on the Poll
But the bounce was bigger than that, because he was behind in many polls and is now ahead. So it's more than four points. That's significant.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:52 AM
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45. the bump is an average of 4 points. Positive, but not significant. Yet...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:39 AM
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49. It Depends On Your Definition of "Significant"
It's outside the MOE and bigger than any other lead any other Dem candidate has had at this point in time. I'd say that's significant.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:50 AM
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50. A bump has nothing to do with being outside the MOE. A bump is an increase in positive polling
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 11:51 AM by malik flavors
A person can be outside the MOE and have a large lead before a bump. Obama's bump has been an average of 4 points nationally. That might get him outside the MOE, but it's still only 4 points. Which is good, but not significant. Once he gets closer to 8 points nationally i'd say it's significant.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:04 PM
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52. And I'd Say It IS Significant (the BUMP, not the 4 point lead).
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 12:05 PM by Beetwasher
I didn't say the bump was outside MOE. I meant (maybe I wasn't clear enough) a 4 point lead is (at least for most polls) outside MOE. At this point in time, a bump that leads to a four point lead (on average) is a significant bump. Hell, I could even argue that a lead outside MOE for most polls, at this point in time is ALSO significant.

The bump was significant, IMO. In your opinion it wasn't. Whatever. :shrug:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:19 AM
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30. geeeez! and Obama is ahead without Billary making any speehes
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:28 AM
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33. Yay Pennsylvania!!!
:bounce: and Ohio and Florida too :-)
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:30 AM
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34. Hey when did he start taking the lead inf FL?!!
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dsomuah Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:30 AM
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43. This is the first state poll they have done in Fl since early May
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:01 AM
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47. Nice. Thanks.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:40 AM
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36. I wish they'd do a poll in Tennessee, for Pete's sake.
I was looking and looking and could only find polls in February and April that had McCain far, far ahead, but, now that Obama's gotten a good toe-hold, I'm sure he's doing much better.

Does anyone know of a recent TN poll?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:47 AM
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44. Nice sample size and low MOE with these Q polls.
From June 9 - 16, Quinnipiac University surveyed:

* 1,453 Florida likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent;
* 1,396 Ohio likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent;
* 1,511 Pennsylvania likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percent.

Great news indeed. I hope we are seeing the end of the republican "revolution" (aka the raping of America).
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:54 AM
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46. Polls
Florida-This shows why Mccain Is considering Crist as his running mate.Obama may want Richardson as
his VP If he wants to carry Florida(to help reverse the lead Mccain has here with Hispanics)

Ohio-With Democrats back In control of the state and the party coming together this Is looking more and more a Lean Obama state and not a tossup.

PA-This Is looking like a Safe Obama state.No poll has Obama behind Mccain here.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:07 AM
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48. Richardson would be a divisive choice. I don't see him being considered for Veep.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:55 AM
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51. And this is why Obama doesn't need any joint town halls with McCain.
We are looking at a potential electoral landslide here. You don't give the opposition any potential ammunition.

Now that Obama is getting to campaign in Michigan and Florida and those voters are getting to know him, they are coming around.

We have to be very careful about the Republicans stealing another election, but the overwhelming reponse by the electorate to a potential third Bush term makes it very difficult. We are leading in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. North Carolina is in play. McCain's own home state of Arizona is in place. Add this to the traditional "blue states" and McCain doesn't have a chance.
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