McCain has Really Opened Himself up with this Offshore Drilling Crap

[Bullet1987]

Wow! Not only is he proving himself to be in line with Bush on ANOTHER issue, but he's also blatantly flip-flopping...lol. This just couldn't get any better. Does he seriously think people will buy that he is serious about global warming and enviromental issues? He's just proving himself to be fake. He's either the most genius politician that I've ever seen, or he's just made a pretty significant gaffe.

[Symarip]

1. It's only June

And he's already grasping at straws.

Has anyone noticed the new formula for a McCain story? It goes like this:

McCain pushes for ________________ (insert bullshit policy) which contradicts how he voted ____ years ago when Bush proposed nearly the exact same plan.

[Bullet1987]

2. I've noticed that...they're treating McJoke with kid gloves

[Greenwood]

3. Help me out: What is wrong with offshore drilling if....

it can be done responsibly?

[seasat]

6. Drop in the bucket compared to global supplies and environmental damage.

It's only enough oil to make less than a dollar's worth differences in the price of oil. Even when following all the best methods, they still release tons of pollutants. The area near Florida is near the loop current in the Gulf of Mexico that runs into the Gulf Stream along the Eastern US. Anything going into the water from those rigs will end up smearing along SW FL, the reefs in the Keys, and the East Coast.

[eShirl]

7. can it be done responsibly?

[futureliveshere]

8. Besides the other reasons it is just a complete 'sham'

The oil that is drillable will take 10years to come on-line. This will do absolutely NOTHING to bring down oil prices NOW.

It is just another example of BS pandering policies that help line the pockets of the oil cos and consequently of all the well connected repukes.

[FatherTime1408]

29. I don't get this argument

Better late than never. Nothing wrong with preparing for the future. I'll still be buying gas in 10-20 years when that oil starts flowing. If we had done this sooner, we'd be pumping it right now. Plus 10-20 years is a lot quicker than what it's going to take for us to switch over to some new miracle fuel.

[Blue_Roses]

34. you're kidding right?

the POINT is that we need to get off oil PERIOD!

[FatherTime1408]

36. Totally agree. But do you have a plan that accomplishes that in less than 10 years?

In the meantime, I wouldn't mind not only buying oil from domestic suppliers, but maybe for a little cheaper.

I just don't get the "It'd take too long" argument. It's like saying, "Why should I put money in my 401k? It's gonna take like 30 years for that to grow into $300,000!! I want $300,000 NOW so I can retire today!"

There's nothing you can do to suddenly have retirement money, and there's nothing we can do to all of sudden make oil cheap either. You can't simply legislate the price of gas, it just doesn't work that way. If you want cheap gas today, you needed to have a good plan together 10-15 years ago. And if you want cheap gas in the future, you need to get a plan together now.

[Blue_Roses]

38. where have you been the last ten years? Under a rock?

Have you not heard of Al Gore--before 2000? If you're really serious about your question--which I too, question--then I'd be more than happy to explore this with you. However, after reading some of your posts, I don't think you really care.

[futureliveshere]

41. Read this post for a TRUE picture of the Oil Drilling Issue and ANWR

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x366362

[FatherTime1408]

44. Thanks, I'll check that out.

[futureliveshere]

42. This is also a point where McC flip-flops in THREE weeks

Come on, even for a senile ass like McCain that has to be a record.

[DinahMoeHum]

10. Any drop in oil prices would come only after about 17 years. . .

and that's being optimistic.
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/offshore-drilling-comes-empty

:evilfrown:

[WinkyDink]

13. Your dependent clause speaks for itself. Not to mention the Gulf shellfish industry.

[Johonny]

18. Why give the publics land away

It's your land, why do you want to GIVE IT AWAY to a business rolling in money the last 7 years. The oil industry already has a large amount of off shore areas they haven't even developed yet. Why? The economics involved make drilling off shore expensive, high oil prices are needed to make it worth the effort. Particularly west coast oil that also needs a large amount of refining. So why exactly give the use rights away to more public land when there's public land already not being used and the public won't be served long term anyways.

[ejpoeta]

19. it would take between 5 and 7 years to see any oil from it

and personally I think that time would be better spent on alternative fuels for vehicles and alternative vehicles. I think from a national security standpoint that a real alternative to oil would devalue it's importance and considering that mostly the mideast countries where the terrorists are coming from are where the oil mostly comes from, then oil losing a lot of it's value would hurt the funding of these groups over there. Not to mention the fact that it is embarrassing to have a president begging OPEC to increase production. Independence from foreign oil is our only way... and just drilling around here is not going to do anything but continue that dependence.

[Hieronymus]

22. Thom Hartmann is talking about it now. The oil companies have lots

of wells drilled and capped . They want more leases...
that's the point.

[last1standing]

23. Even responsible drilling would have risks.

Tourism is Florida's major revenue source and their beaches are the major reason for that. All it would take is one mistake, even by a "responsible" driller, to wipe out an entire tourist season and cost FL billions of dollars in lost revenue, not to mention the lingering stigma of this possibly happening again.

And as we've seen from the Exxon-Valdez spill, the oil companies will fight like Hell to make sure they never have to compensate the state for damages.

[Myrina]

24. We don't need 'more oil' -- we need to USE LESS of what's already there.

:hi: Its just like feeding a crackhead's addiction ... when this stash is gone, then what?
They're still dependent - nothing's changed - the 'panic' & desperate measures will be revisited.

Time for the US to detox.

[Lochloosa]

37. We don't have an income tax in Florida. (And Floridians like that..a lot)

And the reason is the tourist coming to visit our beaches. I would only take one oil spill and our state budget would be devastated.

[babylonsister]

4. I think Floridians will be furious when they hear about this current

weathervaning by McSame, and I thought FL was a state he needed to win. He might have just shot himself in the foot, or somewhere.

[Johonny]

15. That's interesting

That's what the liberal talking heads were saying last night on MSNBC, but the rethugs were poo pooing that. After hearing Bushes brother fought hard against this in Florida and Bushes dad worked to ban this... I'm guessing this is more one more W FU to his family than an attempt to steer McSame into a win in November. And yes McSame can kiss the coastal states good bye with this anti-environmental stuff.

[jefferson_dem]

5. Flip-flopping, pandering, Chimpy-clone. McLame can say "buh bye" to any hope of winning NJ, etc.

FL will be in play now, in a big way.

Yo, Floridians, ya want some of these fucking up your beachfronts? ---

[madaboutharry]

9. I was listing to Bill Press this morning and

Dana Bash was filling in for John King. They said whatever slim chance he may have had in California he can now kiss permanently goodbye.

[Greenwood]

11. Responsible drilling suits me fine. Off of Florida and in Alaska....

Not too concerned about the spotted rat being uprooted in Alaska!

[Bullet1987]

12. Well, you're in the minority

And rat problems is the LEAST of the issues that repels people from offshore drilling.

[Binka]

14. Greenwood Is Lost

Hasn't found his way back home yet.

[Greenwood]

16. Well, over 60% of Americans support drilling.....

Responsible drilling makes great sense.

[Blue_Roses]

17. link please?

[Binka]

27. Did Your Magic Bench Press Tell You So?

You are more than lost, you are a bald face liar.

[tabasco]

21. You have proven your ignorance with every post.

You have no clue how an ecosystem operates.

You support billionaire CEOs over the interests of the American people.

You are a mindless, brainwashed idiot.

But the oil CEOs thank you for being so fucking stupid.



"$400 million dollar golden parachute" Raymond.

[Blue_Roses]

26. doesn't this man look like "Fat Bastard" on Austin Powers?

he's beyond gross. With all that money, you'd think he could pay for liposuction. :puke:

[Binka]

28. But But But Someday Greenwood Is Going To Be Rich Just Like His Hero Fat Ray!

This guy is so painfully obvious. The fumes almost knock me out through my monitor!

[Blue_Roses]

25. I guess you've never seen what an oil spill does...?

My grandparents lived in Galveston when I was growing up and I used to spend the summers there. One summer in the 70's, they had a horrible oil spill and not only did it stop me from swimming in the Gulf that summer, (which was devastating to an eight-year-old) it killed thousands of sea life. It was terrible. It's way past time to get off of oil. It's toxic to the environment and it holds us captive to foreign entities.


44 oil spills found in southeast Louisiana
Largest is nearly 4 million gallons, most big ones are on Mississippi River





updated 7:14 a.m. CT, Mon., Sept. 19, 2005


More than 500 specialists are working to clean up 44 oil spills ranging from several hundred gallons to nearly 4 million gallons, the U.S. Coast Guard said in an assessment that goes far beyond initial reports of just two significant spills.

The report comes nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, and reflects the fact that the Coast Guard and other agencies are able to only now tackle environmental problems since the search and rescue effort is winding down.

The Coast Guard estimates more than 7 million gallons of oil were spilled from industrial plants, storage depots and other facilities around southeast Louisiana.

That is about two-thirds as much oil as spilled from the Exxon Valdez tanker in 1989. But unlike the oil from the Valdez, which poured from a single source, these oil spills are scattered at sites throughout southeast Louisiana.

The oil could threaten the region’s fragile coastal marshes, but three-quarters of it was not posing a danger to wetlands, the Coast Guard said, noting that more than 1.3 million gallons had evaporated or dispersed.

more here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9365607/#storyContinued

[Blue_Roses]

20. he sure did...

this is a BIG goof on him. :D

[Imagevision]

30. McBush at this point will say whatever is popular just to sound current...

[Greenwood]

31. Here is the link. Vast majority approve of offshore drilling....

I think it is a great idea if done responsibly.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/67_support_offshore_drilling_64_expect_it_will_lower_prices

[Disturbed]

32. Americans are being duped again. The RWing sure knows how

to scam everybody. Anybody that thinks that the Oil Corps. will lower their profit margin because they get to drill offshore is being duped.

McLame follows the hype.

[skooooo]

35. You're assuming people are going to fall for it..

...I'm not so sure. Actually, I am sure. It won't work. This is just one more thing that will make McCain lose.

[Blue_Roses]

33. this tells us all we need to know...

"According to the new survey, 85% of Republicans are in favor of offshore drilling as opposed to 57% of Democrats and 60% of unaffiliated voters. Those who call themselves conservatives favor such drilling 84% to 46% of liberals and 59% of self-designated moderates."

:eyes:

[Yavin4]

39. Off Shore Coastal Drilling Is Never Going To Happen, Here's Why

The majority of the people that own coastal properties across the U.S. are extremely wealthy folks. Think Malibu. Do you really think that the wealthy of Malibu, Santa Barbara, and San Diego want huge oil drilling rigs interrupting their ocean view? Do you know what that will do to their property values? And, when these property values decline so too does state tax revenue.

[Willo]

40. Drilling doesn't guarantee oil, does it?

Or guarantee a huge find. Then there's the refining issue.

IDK, this sounds like another McCain shot in the dark. Like, bringing troops home by the end of first term.

[bhikkhu]

43. The EIA says its a waste, and hardly a current issue

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

As said many times elsewhere, it will be a drop in the bucket many years from now if we go ahead with it.

My issue would be, if you had a few billion to put somewhere to help things out, as we all most certainly need some help right now, where would you put that few billion? Into an oil project that might make a little money and fuel some old cars in 2023?

How about into technology with a future, which we are in dire need of right now.