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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:14 PM
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"Is Obama A Bully?" “He has got a killer instinct, but he has a cool anger" Call the Waaaambulance!
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 02:28 PM by Pirate Smile
:evilgrin:
Is Obama A Bully? McCain Crew Says He Plays Age Card
Fiorina: ‘Deliberate Use’ Kerry: He’s Watched and Learned from ’00, ’04

by Jason Horowitz | June 17, 2008



“What they did in the primary was they mastered the art of the elliptical attack,” said one former staffer to Hillary Clinton, talking about the Obama campaign. “They are not the virginal angels they presented themselves as.”
On this point, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign staff and that of Republican nominee John McCain will find themselves in total agreement.


In the weeks since Barack Obama effectively wrapped up the Democratic nomination, he and his campaign have savaged their Republican counterparts, pouncing on errors great and small and drawing attention to a pattern of “confused” remarks by Mr. McCain, who the Obama campaign has accused of “dusting off the tired, old, worn-out ideas of George Bush.” They have, in that time, successfully hounded the McCain campaign into cutting loose several top aides; incessantly used a careful selection of Mr. McCain’s words to raise doubts both about his understanding of economics and his concern for the welfare of U.S. soldiers in Iraq; and, perhaps most insulting of all, laughed off the Arizona senator’s offer to engage in a series of town-hall-style joint appearances with Mr. Obama.

Add to their aggressive tactics an enormous financial advantage, a favorable political climate and lots of adrenaline pumping after an unexpected primary victory, and one remarkable thing becomes clear: This year, it’s the Democrat who’s shaping up to be the bully.
“It feels great,” said Simon Rosenberg
, the president of the New Democrat Network who was a young staffer in Bill Clinton’s famed 1992 war room. “Look—the Democrats have basically been without a strong single leader since early 1998.”

Chris Lehane, one of the Democratic Party’s fiercest operatives, who worked in the Clinton White House and left John Kerry’s campaign, reportedly, because it wasn’t aggressive enough, said he saw “parallels” between Clinton’s war room and the Obama campaign.
Both, he said, believed “that if you got into a knife fight in a telephone booth, you made sure you brought a gun.”
(On June 13 in Philadelphia, Mr. Obama had said much the same thing: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”)

Mr. Lehane said that the idea of the Obama campaign, as was the case with Mrs. Clinton’s primary campaign, was to brand him “as a different kind of Democrat—a Democrat who was playing to win.”
In this, Mr. Obama also has the advantage—to the obvious annoyance of the McCain campaign—of a reputation for gentleness that allows him to avoid paying the public costs of running a bare-knuckles campaign. It is, simply put, difficult for people to reconcile his appearance with some of the things that are done in his name.
“He has got a killer instinct, but he has a cool anger, not a hot anger,”
said Michael Bauer, a Chicago-based bundler for Mr. Obama. “It’s a real grit, not an issue of ripping someone’s face off. It’s ‘this is what we are going to do,’ and then getting it done.”

-snip-
But it seems, somehow, to have taken the McCain campaign off guard, and their aggrieved response, much like Mrs. Clinton’s throughout the heated Democratic nomination fight, is to accuse Mr. Obama of hypocrisy.

-snip-
Mr. Lehane, the Democratic operative, pronounced himself delighted that the McCain campaign was feeling victimized.
“When you are crying foul in a presidential campaign,” he said, “it usually means you are losing.”


http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-bully-mccain-crew-says-he-plays-age-card?page=0%2C0



I'm not a big Lehane fan but I still enjoyed this.

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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:16 PM
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1. Whining, taking their marbels and going home. What the RW does best.
This time, however, it isn't going to work.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:18 PM
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2. Againsy repugs? - Obama should play every card he has!!!!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:19 PM
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3. The RNC and McCain whined about the Bush III analogy too--now
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 02:19 PM by blondeatlast
why would that BOTHER them; I thought W was their hero??? :rofl:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:22 PM
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4. Problem is that
McCain IS old. The GOP picked the old guy. Now they have to suffer the consequences of having that pointed out. Bummer.

And every 'senior moment' , every dottering misstep will justpoint that out. Obama really doesn't have to do much of anything except look young, vibrant and plugged in.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:26 PM
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6. Plus he is confused. Are we not supposed to point out his confusion on critical issues and
subjects? Their complaints seem bizarre to me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:41 PM
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10. Yeah, they shoulda picked young
rudy or young mitt..they had such winners from which to chose:evilgrin:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:54 PM
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14. How do you choose from among the lesser of 7 evils?
I'm glad I'm a Dem, this year, we couldn't lose in the primaries! :rofl:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:35 PM
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29. Got that right!
I watched the Republican debates and all I could think was :wtf:???? Even my Republican cousin had the same reaction. She lives in AZ and hates McCain, so I'm hoping she'll crossover this time around, or at least stay home.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:55 PM
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42. Those weren't debates--they were a traveling asylum
--with talent nights featuring the sociopath ward.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:25 PM
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5. Thanks for the article. K & R. em
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:33 PM
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7. “When you are crying foul in a presidential campaign,” he said, “it usually means you are losing.”
HA HA HA HA!

Brutal. Just fucking brutal. I love that the campaign of a man who was tortured for five years as a POW would complain about Obama being a "bully."

C-R-Y.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:33 PM
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8. McCain mumbles, can't deliver talking points, giggles nervously, etc. Why is the RNC making age
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 02:38 PM by blondeatlast
an issue?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:36 PM
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9. Fucking whiners..the eliptical attack!
Can't stand the Ellipticals ..get the fark outta the kitchen.

And they(Team Obama) never presented themselves as "virginal angels"..is that like the heavens opening and a choir singing type of wording?

Obama is gracious but he's playing to win also. And he likes the Chicago Bulls. So Bully for him.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:51 PM
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12. Damn the ellipses, full speed ahead!!
Are they even speaking English?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:59 PM
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16. It's English-ish
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:44 PM
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11. They are crying because he is fighting back...
what did they expect,I guess they thought he wouldn't fight back. They send out their surrogates and get angry when he does. Like some said " If you can't stand the heat"
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:04 PM
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17. Bingo.
Democrats are supposed to sit by passively, wring their hands and say "oh me oh my" when attacked by Republicans. They're most certainly NOT supposed to jump up and crack said Republicans across the face with a tire iron, which is what Obama's doing at every opportunity. Bully? Cry me a fucking river, motherfuckers. We're just getting started—wait 'till August when we REALLY get medieval on your ass.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:10 PM
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20. Damn straight!
:dem: :dem: :dem:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:16 PM
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25. This jason horowitz sounds like one of
those media manipulators. What's up with this?

"..laughed off the Arizona senator’s offer to engage in a series of town-hall-style joint appearances with Mr. Obama."

I wasn't aware that the Obama teamed laughed them off?

And, yes, the mediawhores would like it if we sat passively by while they revved up another War ON The Middle East.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:22 PM
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26. I think that's actually a fair description.
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 03:24 PM by smoogatz
For McCain to propose ten and Obama to come back with a counter offer of one is pretty much laughing off the original offer, as negotiations go. It's like saying "okay, we'll humor you." Or offering you a hundred dollars for a used car you've advertised for $1000. What's interesting is that the whole offer/counter-offer dynamic implies an understanding in both camps that Obama's the clear front runner. What Obama did with his counter-offer is send the message that he's not just the front-runner, he's the dominant front-runner, and take it or leave it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:33 PM
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28. I guess I was taking it literally..
:P
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:31 PM
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27. We almost seem to be itching for it; like a prizefighter. I know I'm anticipating
this and I don't think for one minute the other side realizes what's REALLY coming.

"Bout damn time! YES!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:36 PM
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30. I can't speak for anyone else, but in 2000 and 2004
it was almost like Gore and Kerry weren't really trying to win: they didn't really understand what they were up against or how to combat it. It's nice to feel that the shoe's on the other foot, for a damn change—and the recent polling has given me reason to think that we're not just talking about squeaking out some narrow, skin-of-our-teeth victory, but a true mandate that might actually lead to substantive change in the way we're doing things.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:04 PM
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34. i can't wait either
shit's hilarious
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:51 PM
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13. Ya see, this is one of the reasons
I finally decided he'd be the best nominee. While I hated the "elliptical attacks" (and yes, I recognized them for what they were), I don't think that McCain and the republiCONs know how to deal with those attacks any better than Clinton did.

Obama will discombobulate them as much as he did Clinton--more, probably, because he won't be pulling his punches against McCain.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:11 PM
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21. Then how should Team Obama have
done it if not the way you didn't like it?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:59 PM
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32. They did just fine.
It's all bullshit. Elliptical attacks? What the fuck is that? It's just code for "actually holding us to our own words" and "pointing out things in our records that voters won't like." OMFG! No fair!!!1!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:36 PM
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36. I know they did amazing!!
I just wanted to see if the poster thought non-elliptical attacks would have been better?:P
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:43 PM
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37. No, elliptical attacks are ones where the "attack" is in
the words you leave out. I.e., if someone asked whether I thought McCain was too old to be President, and I were to say, "Well, the Presidency is a very demanding job..." and just trailed off, and left the end of the sentence to the listener's imagination.

A classic example from Obama was the line about how Clinton "periodically gets feeling down and lashes out." He never actually said she was in hormonal funk when she was attacking him, but the awkard insertion of the word "periodically" (if you heard/read the answer, it was really awkward to put that word into it) led to that implication. A classic example from Clinton is the one about the "commander in chief" test where she said that McCain had passed it, and refused to say whether Obama had.

They all do it, Obama is just better at it than most.

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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:59 PM
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41. What Obama actually said:
"I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."

The implication being that she periodically launches attacks, which she did. His suggestion that she did so because she was feeling "down" or "unappealing" could be read a variety of ways, but it wouldn't make sense to imply that a woman of Clinton's obviously post-menopausal age was struggling with PMS, if that's your interpretation. It's far more likely that she'd be feeling down because she was losing, and that would make more sense given the context. In other words, he didn't call her a PMS-ridden bitch, he called her a sore loser: still an insult, but not a sexist one. If that's an "elliptical attack," it requires a bit of an imaginative leap to get whatever implied subtext you're seeing there, IMO.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:27 PM
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46. If it's an "imaginative leap"
I'm not the only one who took that leap. A lot of people thought so at the time. I believed, and still believe, that it was intended as a "dog whistle" to bring up gender stereotypes of "female homonal instability." Everybody knows the jokes. It doesn't take much to trigger the stereotype.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:11 PM
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45. The "periodically" thing is a ridiculous thing to say about a post-menopausal woman
Not to mention which, she's been on stage in public a whole lot, and no signs of hot flashes, so she's past that one too.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:28 PM
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47. it wasn't about whether it was true of *her*
it was just about triggering the gender stereotype of a female in the grip of raging hormones.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:19 AM
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51. Fell totally flat for me
The taging hormones thing really does go away after menopause.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:48 PM
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38. Sorry, I failed to complete my thought before going on
I didn't like it in the primaries, just because in my secret heart of hearts I was rooting for the woman. (Yeah, I'm a 50-something woman who would like to see a female president in my life time. So sue me.) But officially, and in my intellectual space, I was neutral, because my only interest was in seeing which candidate I thought had the best chance of *winning* the general election. I finally concluded that that candidate was Obama, precisely because of things like this. He's fighting in a manner that most "political" types aren't adept at countering. Including Clinton. Including McCain.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:11 PM
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23. Exactly!
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:58 PM
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15. Tremendous advantage?
Obama is an african american running for president of the united states, and he has almost the entire mass media working diligently to propogate the RNC opposition talking points against him into every living room and every automobile in america 24 hours a day 7 days a week. He has a fund raising advantage over McCain only if we just pretend that the corporate controlled media's free use of their facilities (and our public airwaves) to promote the McCain candidacy does not count is 'in-kind' (and ILLEGAL) corporate campaign donations. Jack Welch et al and the rest of them should be in freaking jail for corrupt practices. Bush et al should be on trial for war crimes and corrupt practices. McCain? you tell me.



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:08 PM
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18. I just love the whining about Obama's "financial advantage." (Through the Looking Glass.)
It's about MILLIONS of people contributing DOZENS of dollars, not DOZENS of people contributing MILLIONS of dollars. It's about a candidate whose personal wealth is solely from two books he's written (and not published by Regnery) instead of his wife's parents or his parents. It's about a GOP candidate who was given the Booby Prize by his own party ... the privilege of losing.

They might as well whine about the 'advantage' of getting the majority of votes. :shrug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:11 PM
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22. Regnery--oh, those sleazy-ass bastards. Obama EARNED that money without
manipulating the publishing market; not so the likes of Coulter, Hannity, et al.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:09 PM
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19. I hope the other side continues to cry loud and long.
"No fair" never gets much sympathy on the playground, and "Stop being mean to me" doesn't sound very presidential.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:11 PM
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24. Cry me a fucking river, motherfuckers.
Obama's just getting warmed up.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:11 PM
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44. WORD. Every time I read one of those snappy comebacks issued
by the Obama camp in response to some moronic, hamfisted attack by McCain, I picture Obama saying, "I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!"
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:48 PM
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31. In comparison to all we have seen in the last 7 years we are the innocent ones...
McCain want to continue the corrupt policies of the last 7 years and we are the bullies. Sorry but Obama has only addressed McCain on policy and the policy is wrong. The moveon ad is only an expression of the people's sentiments, if public opinion hurts then it only says the GOP is out of step.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:00 PM
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33. Oh Noes! A Bully Elitist Unpatriotic Liberal Appeaser!
He's ghetto!

No, he's elitist!

He's soft!

No, he's a bully!

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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:01 PM
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43. LOL!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:20 PM
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35. The Clinton campaign ridiculed Obama as a babe in the woods
and obviously not able to compete with seasoned political operatives in a rough and tumble political campaign. They badly misunderestimated him. Look what happened then.

Looks like McCain is doing the same thing, now he's whining that Obama is too tough for him too deal with.

"Waaaaah. Democarats aren't supposed to fight back! Waaah"
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:48 PM
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39. Obama is taking it to Republicans, and they are not liking it.
That means it's working. Gobama!
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:58 PM
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40. They're not used to it.
That's why they don't like it.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:27 PM
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48. kick
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 10:27 PM by Pirate Smile
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:35 PM
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49. Hey.....I thought he was Obambi? What happened?
:shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:54 PM
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50. His innner
Obamarambo came out:P
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:51 AM
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54. "Obamarambo!" Love it, LOVE IT! nt
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:45 AM
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52. "Mastered the art of the... attack,..." in the primary?
:rofl: The attacks in the GE are not related to the primary. They are two different elections.

What Obama did in the primary was to "master the art of a clean campaign" and with NO attacks on Clinton.

Why is what a Clinton staffer said news? And the news itself is spun anyway.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:49 AM
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53. You're Darn Right It's Butch!
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:22 AM
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55. :)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:44 AM
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56. kick
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