Is it okay to ask what people think of Sen. Clinton now during the GE?

[Writer]

If it's not okay, mods, just delete this. Apologies ahead of time.

But I'm curious to know what people think of her now that the primary has ended. Do you think the same of her? Differently?

[Waya]

1. Well, she lost a lot of respect in my personal opinion......

.... during the Primary. She gained some of that back with her concession speech and endorsement of Barack. However, I would like to see her actively campaigning for Barack - and I hope she doesn't take too long in doing so. And I hope she makes it authentic.

So, ask again after the GE......:-)

[hokies4ever]

60. I'm still waiting to see her olive branch to the black community

[monmouth]

2. Fortunately for me, I just don't ever think of her....ever....n/t

[CakeGrrl]

3. Time will tell how she helps handle the fallout during the GE campaign

A friend just told me that Rudy Giuliani was on Morning Joe today using HRC's own comments to cast doubt about Obama's qualifications.

My issues with Hillary are borne of her conduct during this campaign, and the damage that was done has yet to be fully assessed. And it will not be repaired with one decent speech.

How she helps the Dem's response to the attacks from the Right, who are using what she gave them, will be telling.

I lost a lot of respect for her because of her campaign strategy. Once trust and respect are broken, it takes a lot time to earn them again.

[StevieM]

20. She has nothing to "re-earn" IMO. That kind of condescending attitude is hurtful to the party's

chances in November. There was an election. One candidate won, the other lost. Just like every other year, in both parties. The accusation that her campaign was unusually negative is not born out by the facts of history. I was very proud of her conduct, showing such grace and decency while faced with personal attacks and unfair characterizations. I can assure you that Clinton supporters are every bit as upset with Obama for things that we felt he did wrong.

The arrogant attitude that the losing side must seek forgiveness and redemption is the kind of thing that divides our party and jeapordizes Obama's chances.

It's up to him to win this thing. If he can't then it is silly to blame Hillary--either he has what it takes or he doesn't. Besides, the Primaries are going to look like a cake walk by the time the GE and the GOP 527s have arrived. In the mean time, it seems hard to dispute--although some will try--that Hillary helped him quite a bit with her endorsement.

Steve

[CakeGrrl]

22. Losing isn't the issue; a betrayal of her own party member in favor of a REPUBLICAN *is* the issue

And the Republicans are putting it to use to their advantage.

It's unfortunate that you're so myopic that you cannot see where HRC bears *ANY* responsibility for her loss or for the negative words and actions that contributed to that loss. I don't know if you can even bring yourself to acknowledge words that she uttered and were recorded.

You can close your eyes and plug your ears, but Rudy Giuliani and other Republicans are using HRC's statements against Obama, and your denial of the fact doesn't change that.

Hillary did not have to take that direction in her campaign, but she did. And now that the damage is done, it comes down to how well the damage can be repaired.

You confuse "losing" with "making statments that damage the Democrats at large".

[Zhade]

35. Curious that you're proud of her caught-on-tape undeniable lies.

NT!

[27inCali]

46. yeah, elbos-out politics is fine

They both took shots at each other.

When she said McCain was more Qualified than Obama she crossed a big clear line that loyal party members just don't cross.

You can knock the other guy over the head all day with the best stuff you got, but you never say the guy in the other party is better -NEVER!!!!!!

You NEVER make the argument that your intra-party rival is totally unqualified, NEVER -you're supposed to say "he would be fine, but I'm much better" had she done that she probably could of won.

That's coming from someone who always liked her since she first came on the scene. I really did like her, but when she did that I felt like she was putting herself before the party and the ideas it stands for and jeapordized getting this country out of the 8 year nightmare for selfish purposes..... in doing that I think she lost sight of the bigger picture, which I'm sure has already come back into perfect focus for her in the last few weeks.

she did do something that she has to make up for because she HURT THE PARTY by making that comment. Obama NEVER even hinted that McCain would be better.

All the other stuff I call fair game, but that one statement crossed a big, important line for me and she DOES have some fence mending to do for that statement, and Hill supports need to be realistic an concede that she made a really bad mistake there and that Obama supporters and pretty much any serious Dems are not being unreasonable if they feel a bit hurt or betrayed over that comment.

And I think it's precisely that comment that she needs to come out (and if not apologize) she at least needs to say "I DIDN'T REALLY MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW MY DUMB ADVISORS TOLD ME TO SAY THAT AND I NEVER REALLY AGREED WITH THE COMMENT, IT WAS REALLY JUST A BUNCH OF HYPERBOLE" if she could do that, I think everything will be fine, if she doesn't, she's leaving the door open for shit to get weird down the road. And I'm saying that as someone who is really hoping she slams that door shut.

[tledford]

69. Agreed. I like her on domestic issues...

...but her hawkishness troubles me. However, I admire her overall for many of the same reasons others do: Her tenacity and intelligence.

BUT SHE CROSSED THE LINE with the "I have thirty-five years of experience, Senator McCain has years of experience, and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." bullshit. Man, I couldn't BELIEVE she said that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Am I supposed to think differently of her or forget anything because she lost?

I haven't.

[Buck Rabbit]

5. I never had a problem with Clinton on domestic issues.

I am hoping that if has given up running for President in 2012 that she will be less hawkish internationally and more balanced between Israeli and Palestinian issues.

Senators in safe blue states can afford to push the party to the left when they don't aspire to build a Presidential Centrist - resume. It is a shame that in New York and California only one out of the four democratic senators are progressive leaders (Boxer). Senator Clinton could be the next Ted Kennedy because I think that is where her heart really is.

[karynnj]

30. I doubt there will ever be another Ted Kennedy

He had the good fortune to be in the Senate for an extraordinarily long time - much of it in the 1960s and 1970s when the country was more liberal - by the time the Senate was more conservative, he already had many allies on the other side won in those early years. He really has touched every piece of liberal legislation for over 40 years.

HRC has neither his personality of the time to get that kind of seniority. Though I don't think that anyone will be the next Kennedy, I think that Kerry might be better positioned than HRC to be the future leader of the liberal wing.

[Pisces]

6. I will never think of her the same as I did at the beginning of this primary.

[StevieM]

16. Neither will I...I respect her and love her more then I ever did before (eom)

[Zhade]

36. I used to defend her all day long - then she had to go and lie to our faces.

I feel much as you do, I suspect.

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[musicblind]

7. I have always thought she was wonderful

and still do.

[onenote]

8. I think she will continue to be a fine member of the United States Senate

[crankychatter]

9. um, no?

just guessin'

[foo_bar]

10. I'd still vote for her over Giuliani (or D'Amato) any day

Beyond that, she'll probably wrap up her Senate career with some legacy building exercises, or a 4 year listening tour if she plans to stay (I doubt it), so she'll either be remembered as a historical oddity during a low point in meritocratic politics, or she's the wave of the future in surname-based selection by an uninformed citizenry and we're retreading the well-heeled trail of ex Pax Romana/Britannica, only our Nero Claudius Germanicus was a George Herbert Bush.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. I thought she was a good first lady. I thought she was (and is) a good senator ......

.... from New York.

I'm happy she'll continue in her role as a good Senator from New York.

[TahitiNut]

12. I'd take the time to answer, but I'm ...

... dodging sniper fire while protecting white Americans and dousing the flames at the bottom of the stake to which I'm tied.

:dunce:

[wvbygod]

13. The same....she is a wonderful Senator and would make a great President

Why would that change?

[Ysabel]

14. why what is the point...

[mudesi]

15. I'm OK with her as long as she stays away

If she starts undermining Obama in any way, including begging for the VP spot, we're going to have a problem again.

But since she (at long last) conceded, then everything is just fine and dandy, thank you very much.

I still hope a more liberal Democrat takes her place in the senate and she retires from politics altogether, but that goes for all her other DLC DINO buddies as well.

[barack the house]

17. Her concession speech was very vital and I can only respect her for that. We need her support at

this time. And I wholeheartedly welcome it if it is offered.

[tishaLA]

18. About the same as before

She's not my favorite Democrat, but she's not my least favorite, either. She's smart, tireless, and capable. I wish the primary season hadn't become as acrimonious as it did, especially around issues of race and gender, but...

[Catherina]

19. I forgive her the Primaries because political races are just ugly business

but my opinion of her remains as poor as it's been for many years. I don't like neoliberals.

[Medusa]

21. I don't know if she or Bill will ever regain my estimation of them

to the level it was before this primary season.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

23. Supposedly she's taking a month off

if she takes a break, I'll give her a break.

If she uses the time to sabotage Obama, then all bets are off.

I think she'll take the break, maybe drop in on the Senate if there's a close critical vote that needs her support.

[TBF]

24. I was never a fan and I actually like her a little now. The concession

speech and her recent work to bring KBR to justice were big factors in that. I hope she stays in the Senate (if she wants to) and continues to kick ass.

[karynnj]

31. recent work to bring KBR?

Her office issued a press release calling for investigations - as have many before her. She's on the Armed Services Committee - has she worked with Levin to make it a reality? I would wait until something more than a press release happens.

Compare that to Kerry and Obama actually getting legislation written, passed and signed by the President that hits one abuse by KBR and funds some benefits for the troops. The signing happened today. I hope it gets as much coverage as HRC's brave piece of PR.

[dailykoff]

32. That's change you can xerox

or in this case, fax from whatever hole she's hiding in. Sorry, had to be said. :rofl:

[TBF]

40. Obama is my choice for president, and has been since I saw his

speech in 2004. But I do believe it's time to move on now that she's conceded. It's more productive to focus on the Republicans than continue to knock down Hillary. Of course if she comes back from vacation talking about assassinations the good will goes out the window, but I don't expect that to happen.

[karynnj]

45. I wasn't knocking her

I simply coimmented that this was not a major work effort. I would say the same thing no matter which Senator said it.

[TBF]

56. I didn't say it was a "major" work effort. But she still has alot of clout

in Washington so a simple press release might be influential coming from her. As much as I want Obama elected I would also like to see the current criminals (and friends like KBF) not only booted from office - but also held accountable for their behavior.

[karynnj]

70. I quite agree - and in a few other posts said that

I'm still skeptical as to whether this will go beyond the letter. I hope she lobbies Levin to do it.

[woolldog]

25. No comment.

In the interests of party unity I decline to answer that question.

[1Hippiechick]

58. Good answer...I was wondering how to respond without fanning flames...I like your answer: "Ditto"

[faithfulcitizen]

75. me 3.

[paulk]

26. it's ok by me

and my opinion hasn't changed.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

27. I've always liked her.

I didn't like some of her surrogates tactics in the race, but I still admire and respect her as a person.

[dana_b]

28. I still like her policies

and will continue to do so. I was upset with some of her tactics during the campaign and that's part of what led me to Obama.

To be honest, I don't spend too much time thinking about her now.

[greguganus]

29. I refuse to answer on the grounds that it could incriminate me. n/t

[Zhade]

37. Or incinerate you!

:evilgrin:

[Zhade]

33. I feel pretty much the same - I don't trust her anymore.

Her being caught on tape lying numerous times is the cause.

[Danger Mouse]

34. I'm wary of her...I was pretty pissed at her during the primary...

but hopeful that she redeems herself during the GE.

[grantcart]

39. The only I am thinking about is the General Election - she appears to want and to be able

to do a great deal to help winning the General Election.

[dailykoff]

85. Why did you post a thread claiming "Senator Clinton returns to Senate"

when the article says nothing of the sort?

[Straight Shooter]

41. I have more admiration for her than before the primaries began. n/t

[Zhade]

42. How ironic, considering your name.

NT!

[Genevieve]

43. Why would my opinion of her change?

What the hell has she done to change my opinion of her?

Nothing.

[dailykoff]

44. Well, today she faked a return to the Senate

and faked an investigation of KBR, all duly reported here. Pretty good for somebody on vacation!

[Genevieve]

48. The OP is obsessed with trying to make us love Hillary. . . nt

[dailykoff]

49. Let's see, it's been a week since she wasted six months of the GE..

I think I still feel the same. :shrug:

[Genevieve]

50. I have now totally forgiven Hillary for saying McCain is the better candidate.

NOT!

[dailykoff]

51. Awesome sig..

:rofl:

[Genevieve]

57. I was thinking the same thing about your sig!

:thumbsup: :hi:

[JoFerret]

89. Anything wrong with that?

Fairness is a virtue after all.

What are you obsessed with?

[JustAnotherGen]

47. I think the same as I always have

And have gone RIGHT back to defending her to Republicans.

I would never ever fault a woman for going (pardon the pun) balls to the walls to win. She gave a hell of a fight to Obama.

And I can say - in my lifetime - I got to see a person of color and/or a woman get that far. I believe if not her - then some other woman will sit in the White House as the President before I leave this earth. She made it possible.

When I make fun of Cindy McSame - it's because I will never forget how THOSE people treated her. Them, those ones, over there. No holds barred. They had no empathy for her -

I'll have no empathy for some rethug's wife.

[democrattotheend]

52. Right now, I kind of feel bad for her

When I read that she has been kind of secluded and will be taking a month off from the Senate, I felt bad for her. She must be pretty depressed and I don't blame her.

[Raine]

53. I lost respect for both Hillary & Bill because of the campaign

it would take an awful lot of doing on their parts before I could respect them again the way I once had. :-(

[mtnsnake]

54. She was the Goddess of Peace before, & she still is now.

That goes without saying :smoke:

Hopefully Obama will follow in her footsteps and end the war when he takes the oath, just like Hillary had pledged to do if she won. I think he will.

[bunnies]

55. And you've still got the good stuff.

:smoke: :hi:

[mtnsnake]

63. ahhhhh

:hi:

[bunnies]

64. Dont make me come over there.

I know youre holding out. :spank: :hug:

[hokies4ever]

59. As a black man, I think that the bridge between the Clintons and blacks WILL be repaired

I think most people realize that Bill Clinton was just defending his wife. He really wanted her to be President. God knows that he owes a lot to her for some of the things he's put her through.

With respect to Hillary, it's clear that she was only doing things in her campaign because she wanted to be President. One could tell that at the Philadelphia debate (for example) that she didn't really believe that Obama was linked with Farrakhan and Hamas. She was just saying those things to try to get more votes and win the primary process. I think that she has a good heart, but that she strayed a little bit because of her political ambition.

[1Hippiechick]

61. Did you forget to add the "sarcasm" smiley to your post? If your post is serious, apologies!

[hokies4ever]

62. It actually is serious :-)

I think that Obama shares this same sentiment. He was asked at a news conference about Clyburn's statement that the bridge between the Clintons and the black community might be close to being irreparable. I think that over time the Clintons will extend some olive branches to the black community and try to make things right. I think people will realize that Hillary had been planning her political career around becoming President, so sometimes you fight a little bit more fervently than you should or normally would.

[JoFerret]

65. Seems like your question has unleashed a great deal of the

same old venom and crap. Sorry to see that. People need to move on.

[TBF]

68. Agreed. On a political message board you're going to see extremes,

but I've talked to neighbors here in Texas (the dem ones anyway!) who really liked both candidates. Some people loved Obama's enthusiasm and message of change, others thought about the 90's and would give just about anything to have the Clintons back in the WH.

I really do think most people will move on. I even made a small contribution to Hillary today. So, miracles can happen after all. ;)

[NC_Nurse]

66. I liked her concession speech. I haven't seen her since, so I haven't really

thought about her. I'll let you know when she does something. :-)

My feelings towards politicians have more to do with what they DO than with
who they are. I am consistently impressed by what Obama does, I was not so
impressed with Clintons' actions during the campaign.

Now that the primary is over. I am curious to see her next moves. I hope to be
impressed.

;-)

[AnnieBW]

67. If she's going after KBR

She's back in my good graces. Give 'em Hill!

[dailykoff]

88. You're thinking of Kerry and Obama's legislation.

Hillary simply issued a press release today.

[AnnieBW]

92. Oh, okay

Thanks for letting me know!

[Name removed]

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[Genevieve]

78. Stating, as you have, that

'I think she is the only candidate qualified to be POTUS"

is undermining the Democratic nominee
and could get you TS'ed.

If you think Barack Obama is not qualified to be president
either keep it to yourself or go post your opinion on a
Hillary website.

[DevonRex]

81. Just might deserve an alert, don't you think? nt

[Genevieve]

82. An alert? - without a doubt! nt

[Genevieve]

83. How come she's still posting?

Blech.

[DevonRex]

86. Damn good question. nt

[DevonRex]

80. She is NOT a candidate anymore. And don't undermine OUR candidate.

[Genevieve]

84. And, btw,

she's not a candidate.

In case you didn't realize, the primaries are over, and Obama is the presidential candidate
and our next president.

[monomach]

91. Alerted. For the billionth time.

TS incoming, I hope.

[shayes51]

72. She was my pick for POTUS during the primary season.

And I still think she would have been our best choice. But I will vote for Obama in November.

[Dems to Win]

73. Still disgusted by her demands

From an AP story about the upcoming meeting with Clinton, Obama, and her major fundraisers:

donors want OBAMA to help pay Clinton debt
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080618/ap_on_el_pr/clinton...

From the AP story about the meeting:

"Two people closely involved with Clinton's fundraising said the meeting had taken on added urgency after several of her money "bundlers" complained that they felt their concerns weren't heard during meetings last week with Obama campaign officials in New York and Washington.

Both individuals spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the meeting.

Among other things, the donors want to make sure Obama knows that in order to get their help he needs to help Clinton pay down her campaign debt."


Good grief. Senator Obama and the Democratic Party should be focused on fundraising for Congress, Senate, and Presidential races in the fall -- NOT debt incurred when Clinton's campaign was pointless and unwinnable. HRC can easily pay her own bills, and she should.

Her surrogates continue to bluster about their hurt feelings when Obama hires Solis-Doyle, or makes other decisions. Surrogates like Senator Feinstein continue to make the false claim that Clinton won the popular vote.

Obama should demand that she and her surrogates state in public "Senator Obama won the nomination fair and square" at least 100 times before he sends so much as one email to his supporters begging for money to pay her debt.

[slinkerwink]

74. I'm glad she's working on getting her donors behind Obama.

And I think she deserves a good vacation, especially after campaigning for 18 months straight.

[Dems to Win]

77. No, her donors want to demand Obama pay her debt

see message above yours

[slinkerwink]

79. not all of those donors, just the two reported.

They're probably Ferraro or Namazee. I really don't care about them.

[highplainsdem]

76. I admired her then and admire her now. Great woman, great leader, great politician.

Kudos to her and the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling.

[Lisa0825]

87. I defended her and Bill in the 90s, but cut them off when I started paying more attention....

The war is what got me more involved, and the more I read, the more I realized how many things I didn't like about the Clinton's and their policies. The primaries basically just solidified my opinion.

[monomach]

90. Dead to me.

Quite disgusted by her behavior.

[Lilith Velkor]

93. I never liked her, but always appreciated how she pisses people off by just existing.

Very Punk Rock.

[ampad]

94. I think of her as I have thought of her

The day she grandstanded and voted for the Iraq war without reading the intelligence support. I never understood the appeal to Hillary and after that I was done with her. When she went after Kerry instead of defending him on his joke that was taken out of context it sealed the deal for me. Oh yea, please don't tell me Obama voted to fund the war people I already know this. As a military spouse I am totally against not funding the war when we got this mad man Bush still running the show and troops still on the ground. If anyone thinks that Bush would pull those troops out of Iraq just because they do not have the money well they have not been paying attention to the asshole for the last eight years. As for Hillary, had she been as tough with Bush as she was with Obama my opinion of her might be different. Of course this is my opinion of her and mine alone. I know others admire her and love her, good on them. I know some despise and hate obama and well good on them, they have a right to their opinion as well. What I don't understand is this need for some people to demand that you adore or respect their beloved candidate. At this point in the game we should be way above that. Most of this country is barely holding on thanks to eight years of Bush and we got this asshole McBush trying to fulfill Dubya's third term in office. I mean at this point why the hell do people care what I think about their beloved candidate because had Hillary won I would of held my nose and voted for her because no matter how much I dislike her I know she is a hell of lot better than the alternative. I don't think Americans have the luxury of worrying about what others feel about this candidate or the next to determine who to vote for. This election is beyond serious and I would go as far as to say a lot more serious than the last presidential election when all we were really worried about was stopping an unjust war. Now the war has come to the home-front with the war on the middle class going strong.

I know my opinion of Senator Clinton may piss some people off I just hope they don't use that as an excuse not to do the right thing in November. I'm just a random person on a message board who you may or may not agree with. There are people out there who are depending on us to do the right thing in Novemeber and they don't have the luxury of getting pissed off because someone does not like their favorite politician.

[adoraz]

95. It will take a lot for her to earn my respect back

but even then, I still wouldn't trust her. After Bosnia, I never could.

I want her to continue having success in the Senate. That is what I hope happens.