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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:18 AM
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Are you thinking of donating even one dollar less to Obama?
There is a 100% probability that Barack Obama or John McCain will be president.

Therefore, you have a choice to make. Barack Obama, or John McCain?

Once you pick, it doesn't not make sense not to do everything in your power to make that choice happen. If you donate even one dollar less to Obama, you are saying, "I want Barack Obama slightly less than I did yesterday, and John McCain slightly more."

But what if FISA is your most important issue? What if defending our 4th amendment is the most important thing in the world to you? In that case, ask this question: "Do I think Barack Obama or John McCain will better protect my 4th amendment rights?" And once you have your answer, vote that candidate and put all your energy towards that candidate.

Some people here are angry at Obama for not agreeing with them on FISA, and they instinctively want to punish Obama for doing so. And the only way they can think of is donating less, or working less, or not voting. They forget that now that the primary process is over, there are two choices. Barack Obama or John McCain. Not Barack Obama, John McCain, and the Barack Obama I want. That ship has sailed. Supporting your first choice candidate any less than you would yesterday is mathematically helping John McCain.

If you agree that Barack Obama is ten thousand times more likely to protect our 4th amendment (or even slightly more likely), then you need be intelligent and support him just as much as you would have yesterday. This is a representative democracy, and representative democracies have worked this way for thousands of years and they will continue to work this way. By all means, contact Obama and give him a piece of your mind. But afterwards, donate, donate, donate, and work, work, work to ensure that he is the next President of the United States.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:26 AM
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1. Excellent Point!
K&R

:kick:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:41 AM
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2. Nope, I'm doubling my primary contributions, not negotiating.
I'm not going to hold my contributions or my support hostage over item-by-item issues, like the FISA vote in the house.

We need him in the white house.

This is non-negotiable.



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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:23 AM
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3. I'm not donating a penny to the Obama campaign
I'm a Brit and as I understand American election law, I'm not allowed to donate anything, no matter how much I'd like to.

I am disappointed with Obama's reaction though.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:49 AM
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4. Never entered my mind to donate less
I never expected him to do everything I ever wanted. Just some of it.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:13 AM
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5. Bingo!
Anyone who thinks they will agree with any given politician 100% is expecting a f-ing miracle. I'll also reserve judgement until I see how this whole thing plays out, thank you very much.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:19 AM
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6. I'll be giving more, though it pains me
to do so. Friggin' FISA.
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:22 AM
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7. Will Obama do better? Maybe
To change your question a little, in 2006 we could have asked is Nancy Pelosi was more likely to protect the 4th Amendment than Dennis Hastert; or if Harry Reid was more likely to protect the 4th Amendment than Frist. Obama's not just a candidate. He's a United States Senator. If he's going to protect the Constitution, he needs to start doing it now.
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:46 AM
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8. Can't be said enough....
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:19 AM
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9. My donations were reduced this month...
because now that we have our nominee, I'm trying to help out the DCCC and DNC. The down ticket races weren't getting much in donations because we were giving so much to Hillary and Obama.

So the $100 a month that I was donating to Obama is now being split $50 Obama, $25 DNC, $25 DCCC.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:11 AM
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10. No.
I have never, even for a moment, considered donating one single cent to Obama. That hasn't changed, just as my assessment of him as a candidate has not changed.

I donated a small amount to the best primary candidate; quite a bit less than I did in '04, since my economic circumstances are quite a bit harsher these days.

If I have anything to donate, and that's not likely, I'll be donating to the campaign to unseat my republican senator and the campaign to unseat my republican rep.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:01 AM
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11. no, as a matter of fact I plan on trying to find a few dollars more- even
if we have to get really creative to do so.

I believe that Barack is without question the best person to lead us forward.

I don't see him as the messiah- I see him as a human being who sincerly desires to help us to find a way to rebuild our nation- and get back on the road to becoming the kind of country we like to think we are.

peace~
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:21 AM
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12. No more money from me to Obama
If I wanted to vote for a Republican in Nov, then I would have supported Hillary. There's already one Repub running, his name is John McCain. The Repub-lite running is Obama. Obama doesn't need progressive votes to win anyway; he's clearly made the calculation that he doesn't need progressive support. And when he is elected, and continues to fight the occupation in Iraq, you too, will realize that he is Republican-lite.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:02 PM
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14. Personally I'm not going to crusify him over FISA even though I'm GREATLY disappointed but I'll...
...wait and see if there's a pattern here.

If he has a pattern of making STUPID political decisions like this then maybe I'll rethink position.

There's no net gain out of the new FISA, hell even reThugs see it as "big government"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:15 PM
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17. Reminds me of this
When confronted recently with his career of betrayals of progressive causes, Gore shrugged and said, "I guess you always hurt the ones you love." There you have the toxic essence of the Gore character: ever willing to betray his own party and sacrifice the health and well-being of millions of destitute mothers and children to secure an election that they had no real risk of losing. Bush is a known, if rather maladjusted, quantity. Gore is a political deviant, anxious to prove himself by knee-capping his most faithful allies.

Ralph Nader isn't perfect; he just seems that way when compared to Bush and Gore. Yet, his run finally offers a campaign to vote for enthusiastically. It is a vote that at the same time repudiates the neo-liberal policies of the Clinton/Gore Democrats and empowers a new political movement, a movement with as much energy, promise and feistiness as the old Rainbow Coalition. A vote for Gore is a vote for pessimism, an admission that the Left is helpless and near dead. It means succumbing to a kind of political necrophilia. A vote for Nader is a vote for optimism and political liberation--a jailbreak from the dank oubliette of the Democratic Party.

link
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:34 AM
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13. I will not give him another dollar...
because I've donated the max, and it would be illegal.

:-)

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changeplease Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:53 PM
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15. Gas Prices Are Killing Me
I wish I could give as much as I used to, but gas prices are killing me. I just don't have a lot left over these days.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 10:38 AM
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18. It wasn't easy to do it. But if anybody will pull us out of high gas prices...
It won't be McCain.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:08 PM
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16. Nope, one less dollar would be a negative donation. n/t
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