Do you want Osama Bin Ladin Dead?

[Heather MC]

I was watching MsNBC the other day, sorry can't remember which show.

Anyway, all the pundits agreed they wanted Osama Dead, and so does Obama. They said, "Oh I am sure He wants Osama dead as well", then we don't have to worry about putting him on trail.

I understand that Osama took credit for 9/11 (at least that is what the administration that has a
7 year history of lying to us told us) On 9/11 over 3,000 people were killed. And several thousand more
who could have been killed that day, my self included (the nose of the plane stopped the breeze
way before hitting my office. I was pulling into the parking lot when the plane hit)

To retaliate for 9/11 the Bush Admin sent over 4100 American troops to die in a War based on a lie.

I have a question, who is worse? Osama for "supposedly" being responsible for 9/11 and Killing over 3,000
Or
Bush for definitely sending 4100 US troops to there death based on a lie, and the killing continues?
And How come we all except that Bush lied about Sadam's evolvement in 9/11. but we readily accept
that Osama Bin Ladin was involved.

I was always taught that if a person lies to you about one thing, you HAVE to question everything else
they ever said to you.


Also, Considering Osama has 44 children, should our News Media, be openly discussing his death as
if no one loves him and he will not be missed?

I worry about the future of this country whenever I witness this blatant hypocrisy from our media.
It's as if they really don't understand that people are watching them, Not just here in the states but
world wide. Shouldn't they be a bit more responsible in what they say?

[Danger Mouse]

1. Dead? I thought we were trying to CAPTURE him. Heh.

[Heather MC]

3. Not anymore , because that would require "bringing him to justice"

and nobody wants that! Our Legal system is ill-equipped to handle such villians. but it is good enough for all the rapist, murderers and child molester, that we have right here in the good ole USofA

[caledesi]

46. I agree! NT

[blogslut]

2. Back up

Pundits said that Barack Obama wants Osama bin Ladin dead? Did these pundits have evidence or were they just pulling facts out of their collective asses?

[Heather MC]

4. Don't quote me on this, my memory is fading

I believe it was tucker carlson on the verdict.
either thursday or friday

[blogslut]

6. Well, if Tucker says it

then it's definitely bullshit. :rofl:

[Labors of Hercules]

23. it is bullshit. Obama said specifically he doesn't want Osama made a Martyr.

(For any ignorant Republicans reading this: That means he wants him brought to justice but NOT dead).

[Merlot]

5. He's already dead is my guess

But every "hero" needs a villan, right?

[Heather MC]

8. Who's the "Hero"?

I only see two Villians
but then again I am bitter
:rofl:

[Merlot]

20. That's why I put "hero" in quotes....

[Mist]

11. Well, what with kidney problems, frequent dialysis, and visits to top-notch

hospitals in the region, plus reports from Pakistani intelligence that he's dead, it's better than
50/50 that he is indeed dead. But he such a damn useful boogeyman, let's assume he's still alive
and directing nefarious activities from a cave (dialysis machine and all).

[treestar]

14. This is the best scenario for the * administration

If they know he is dead, but continue to use him as bogeyman where needed.

If the American public knew he was dead, the administration couldn't use him.

[Merlot]

21. Can you imagine how hard it must have been

to push that dialysis machine up the mountain?

Usefull boogeyman inded!

[zeemike]

7. No

I want him arrested and given a fair trial and if convicted to be put in prison for the rest of his life in solitary confinement. That is the American way believe it or not.

[Heather MC]

10. What if the trial finds him "not guilty"

What if after that last 7 years of being told to hate him, they have no evidence that he actually did it. Or he passes a lie detector test ( I know not admissable in court)
But what if he was not responsible?

And would his death and or capture end the war? hanging saddam didn't end it.
Wouldn't that ruin their plans of setting up controling oil interest in the middle east?

[zeemike]

22. That would be a problem now wouldn't it

I mean if he was Innocent (which is unlikely) that would make them liars.

[Bluerthanblue]

41. I don't believe they'd ever let him be found not guilty- but if

that did happen, I'd like to hope that we might learn an important lesson.- (We meaning the American people at large)

War, especially in this case- is a very poor way of making the world a better place.
And violence in response to violence has never been a real solution.

This is a very interesting thread Heather-

thanks for making us think.


peace~

[FreakinDJ]

9. His Head on a stick being paraded in downtown Kabul

Our CIA should have paid off a "Trust worthy" northern tribe to do just such an act.

But I truly believe the Bush family had entered into a pack with their long time family friends – The Osama family to allow him to get away. Hence the reasoning of Bush’s famous statement “I don’t think about him too much”

He was supposed to get away

[Mist]

12. Yeah, the * family ties indicated, to me, that Osama would never be caught. nt

[treestar]

13. Not particularly, since I don't know how guilty he is

He "admitted" it, but this kind of thing will bring on a false confession. Apparently he is not on the ten most wanted for it - there isn't enough evidence, according to the FBI. He is on the top ten for the embassy bombings. I say try him for that, and if found guilty, whatever the punishment is. Of course that's not how this administration will handle it, but it is the way OUR country would normally have handled it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. People say he is dead already or

he isn't Usama Bin Ladin he is 'Tim somebody'

If he is real then Bush should have captured him long ago. With all the sophisticated surveillance we have it shouldn't have been hard.

Bush may wheel him out again before the Nov elections?

[Maureen1322]

16. I want him captured and tried. Bush and Bin Laden are both madmen.

If Bin laden cared about his own kids he wouldn't have killed other peoples kids on 9/11.
I wonder how many of his kids actually know him?

[panader0]

17. I think bushco wants him dead because he knows too much

If he was captuered and put on trial, it would be extremely dangerous for bushco. As to who is more guilty, I say bush and cheney. I wish we could put them all on trial at the same time.

[Yurovsky]

30. I'm sure he would have plenty to say WRT Chimpy & Grampa Bush

I'm not sure he's alive, but I know we'll never see him captured. If we thought that he was going to be captured by the Pakistani military or some other force, I believe we would send in Special Forces to take him out first, or even kill him after he's been captured (collateral damage? a few billion more in foriegn aid to some corrupt dictatorship will keep the outrage to a minimum).

[mod mom]

18. I would like to see him testify (w/o torture) and to face justice in a court of LAW.

I believe he probably has some information that will benefit the security of this country.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. I believe he's already dead. He has been this insane's administration, Emmanuel Goldstein.

[SoFlaJet]

33. great analogy

"that bleating sheep"

[moriah]

24. I'm kind of conflicted on this one.

I may not be a MIHOP (or even a LIHOP) kind of girl, but I did read quite a few of the "9/11 Truthers" websites. What can I say, I like learning about what people think even if I don't necessarily believe it. (Kind of like my views on astrology -- it's interesting. It may be total BS, but the system used is interesting to me, and strong belief can be a quite powerful force. I'm Pagan as well, but again I believe that "magick" has a lot to do with convincing yourself, your unconscious if you will, that what you want to happen will happen, and if a well done "spell" will get people to do the work needed on the material plane to manifest what they want, then it can be helpful.)

I've seen a lot of the claims that Bin Laden only made a few tapes, and that many of the tapes that have him explicitly claiming responsibility for 9/11 may be faked. It is kind of hard, when you don't know Arabic, to know if the subtitles are an accurate translation. There are also many people who believe that Bin Laden is already dead. I don't know if what they say is true, or if what the Government says is true.

I also have odd beliefs when it comes to the death penalty. On one hand, I cannot accept the idea of the death penalty being used in cases where there is not concrete evidence that proves guilt. Older DNA testing was not sophisticated to prove guilt -- DQ-Alpha testing, nor blood type testing, is enough in my opinion. For example, I feel that the "West Memphis Three" case was a miscarriage of justice, in that there was nothing conclusive presented at trial that implicated the accused. This doesn't mean I think that they should be set free just yet. But I do think that for the one accused who was sentenced to death there should be clemency -- aka reducing his sentence to life in prison without parole.

However, I also think that a serial rapist convicted with sophisticated DNA technology, especially if the victim was a minor, deserves to be put to death as it is the most humane punishment I can tolerate. "Bubba" might be happy to teach a child rapist how it feels, and many feel death is too good for them. There's a part of me that relishes the idea of rapists learning the true nature of they put their victims through, but we have outlawed cruel and unusual punishment.

If Bin Laden did order and plan the 9/11 attacks, then yes, I think he would qualify for the death penalty. However, I'd want more proof that it was him before agreeing to the death penalty.

[Oregone]

25. I never met him. I have a much greater desire regarding my meth addicted neighbor...

Statistically speaking, your children are far more likely to be abused or killed in a car accident by a drunk than killed by Bin Laden (or killed by an ibuprofen overdose for that matter). If we need something to be scared and outraged about, we do not really need to look that far. Im not sure why this person is such a factor in the life of the average American and people are so concerned about his life or death, while they are surrounded by much more threatening and ominous conditions daily.

[stray cat]

26. Yes

[LWolf]

27. No. n/t

[natrat]

28. this is n/a as he is a fictional charachter designed to frighten morons

[ecstatic]

54. LOL

[Orsino]

29. No.

I oppose the death penalty after trials, too, so I certainly am not going to support all the swaggering oaths to kill him.

Capture him and try him. Let's see what he actually had to do with 9/11, if anything.

[dbonds]

31. For the sake of the 'story', he has to die before the end of bushco.

In real life he probably is already dead, but they don't want that to come out when the next president takes over. So they have to kill off the story and they will try to do it in a way to give bush a checkmark for his legacy and maybe help mccain.

[SoFlaJet]

32. Color me crazy

but I would actually LIKE to see him on trial. I'm one of the people who has never been coinvinced that he had anything to do with the WTC's hitting the ground.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

35. He isn't even on the FBI's Most Wanted list for 9/11.

[SoFlaJet]

36. that grey and white cat there

looks a lot like our Smokey who disappeared one night when I left the sliding screen door slightly open for a late night cigarette. The wife still won't let me forget THAT one...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. Awwww, so sorry about that. That's Amy and the only time she got out, she didn't leave the doorstep

and practically screamed to come in. Whenever she's near the door and we open it, she now runs in the opposite direction.

I lost a black and white kitty when I mistakenly left the door open, and he never returned. It was my fault and I haven't stopped blaming myself since. It ain't easy.

[ecstatic]

55. Didn't he initially deny it and then just decided to go with it

Since it was a great recruiting tool? :shrug: I could have sworn that he denied it at first then agreed as Bush kept pressing the issue.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. No

I want him in a court of law so my friend Tommy can have his day in court (CF employee died in the attack on the WTC).

[ensho]

37. No

nt

[nsd]

38. Yes.

[rucky]

39. The Judicial system is overrated, anyways.

It's amazing we have all these major world events happening under Bushilini, and not a single major trial or even investigation (except for a guy named Scooter).

[Onlooker]

42. Yes, kill him

He's a reactionary. He's a fascist. He's a killer, a sexist, a homophobe. All of that is documented. Plus, he will continue to wield power even if he's imprisoned. In this case, I think Obama's stand is absolutely right.

[invictus]

43. Bin Laden should be put on trial for his crimes. I don't believe in summary executions. n/t

[papapi]

44. bin Laden is already a martyr, whether he's now alive or dead......

I can't understand why anyone would want to continue making a spectacle out of him. If we treated him as a non-person in the M$M and quit talking about him at all he would be insignificant. There are those who contend that our government invented the al qaeda network in order to promote war and the radical Islamists just pick up the idea and ran with it. Evil breeds evil.

[anon504]

45. No

I like Barack's idea of not making a martyr out of Osama.

[lsusteel]

47. It's posts like this...

That make me think about leaving DU.

Osama Bin Laden is a piece of shit and whether we kill him or capture him, he's still the biggest piece of shit on this earth.

[newmajority]

48. I want the criminals responsible for 9-11-01 tried, convicted, and executed.

And that's as far as I'll elaborate on that one.

(Hi Agent Mike! :hi: )

[Norwood]

49. I would prefer that we captured him, but dead works for me as well

There's a good possibility that he's already dead. I wouldn't be surprised if they trotted out his carcass before the election or before chimpy leaves the white house.

[BklynChick]

50. captured and tried.

[LTR]

51. I'm convinced he's already dead

And probably has been for years.

That is, unless they found a way to get a dialysis machine working in some secret mountain fortress somewhere. In terrain that's likely been combed over heavily by the CIA.

Not to mention that in recently released videos, the guy in it doesn't even look like him.

Bin Laden at this point is a Bushco pipe dream, trotted out occasionally to scare the American public.

[Rowdyboy]

52. Dead is fine....Your sympathy for the feelings of his 44 children makes me question your sincerity

Threads like this are often used on right-wing sites as proof of just how naive, unpatriotic and un-American Democrats are. I refuse to play.

[ecstatic]

53. I'm not the type of person who gains satisfaction by knowing someone is dead

[Jed Dilligan]

56. I don't particularly care

Assuming there is an OBL and he lives, he will be dead soon enough and his death will not affect the fundamental structure of whatever is causing these terrorist attacks. People apparently read too many comic books.

[BrotherBuzz]

57. Only if his execution is pay for view

:sarcasm:

[Hippo_Tron]

58. I think when Obama is President he should create a special task force...

called the "Follow Bin Laden to the Gates of Hell Task Force" and he should appoint John McCain as its chairman and sole member.

[anonymous171]

63. ...

:spray:

[anonymous171]

59. I want to capture the bastard, then hold a public trial for his crimes.

The best way to "export" democracy and fairness is to abide by those principles.

[Phoonzang]

60. No...humiliate him by putting him on trial

Killing him in battle will just make him a martyr. Let him rot in a US prison.

Well he's probably already dead, but just in case...

[ourbluenation]

61. yes, after he's found guilty. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

62. Nope.

Given a fair trial and convicted if guilty, then imprisoned for life. I do not favor the death penalty in any circumstance, and particularly in this one where Osama would be afforded martyr status if he were killed. That would be a very bad move.

[Dbdmjs1022]

64. Kill the motherfucker, either in action or by death penalty. Part of me, however...

hopes he isn't busted until after the election.