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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:31 PM Original message |
A proposal for those who support Obama from the left |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sounds more like an attempt to torpedo him, to me... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Herein lies the heart of America problems: |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Impressively wrong on all points... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Your "conventional wisdom" has proven itself to be a losing "strategy" time and time again |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. What planet have you been on? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The one with the reality based communty... |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. You're less wrong this time, but not much... |
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patrioticintellect (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. It only works like this |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. my initial reaction too; or sort of like HRC trying to set his agenda in her concession speech |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. So we'll let all the pressure come from the right. Brilliant strategy |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. the last time ... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Could you provide some examples of when who and how the left pressured the Clintons? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Oh come on wyldwolf, that was all part of Clinton's agenda, not pressure from the left |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The tsunami was (and is) a myth. Repos voted in almost identical numbers in |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What about independents? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I don't know about independents. |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. No, that's because the right pressured him, and he caved into them. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The right pressured him on gun control, health care, and civil rights for gays? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I've taken you off of ignore temporarily to say "HELL YES, the right pressured him" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. so the right pressured him to enact gun control? That's the point the other poster made |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, the right pressured him ON gun control...to NOT enact it... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I wasn't discussing what the right pressured him into. But hs DID enact it. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. We meant he caved in on the other stuff. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Sorry, I was discussing stuff in particular. I like sticking to the topic. Obviously you don't |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. The Democratic base, the poor, working people, women, LGBT voters |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. The very people who voted for Dems in DROVES in 1994 |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. The guy said Jim Brady pressured Clinton on guns. Besides, Clinton backed that bill from the start. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. you really need to pay attention. You've either not followed the conversation or you're confused |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Clinton supported gun control and health care ON HIS OWN |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. lol! Funny how you convenienty ignore the facts that prove your previous ramblings wrong |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. It's not like Clinton would have opposed gun control if it weren't for "liberals" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. who knows for sure? I don't claim to have a crystal ball like you do |
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40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is December talk. |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Thanks for that. The list is good, but not now. Not after the last 7 years. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. We don't have to keep silent to elect Obama. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Obama IS expressing progressive ideals. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding! Give that man a cigar. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Obama understands that |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. No, I never had a problem with Obama usingn religious imagery. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. That quote sounds like a basic statement of fact. |
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patrioticintellect (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
50. That's what we thought in 2004 |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. I've been thinking about after the GE. Your idea is interesting and |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Let's get him elected first. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. We need to organize now to push him then. And we also need to get him elected. |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Why can't we do that after he gets elected? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Because the faster and better organized we are the more likely we are to get some of what we want. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. What harm does it do it before. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. All that time, money and effort can be better used now to get him elected. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
7. you mean dennis`s ideas...... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Dennis' vote total never reflected the support his ideas had |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. i'm glad you are thinking and talking about this. I think that the left has to walk and chew gum at |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. OMG, are you kidding? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. We wouldn't be saying that Obama supports these things |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Yes you really are. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. The majority want out of Iraq now. The majority want single payer. |
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WA98070 (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. It's a little late to expect to get a Democrat elected. We just have to "HOPE.".... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. It's a little late for that, too, in many cases. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'll do that after the election. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
67. You do realize it's a little weird that you have a "Che" avatar |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'm pretty goddamned progressive, and I can't support that lineup. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. "say 10 million signatures on this(which would be achievable)" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. And why wouldn't it be? Those ideas all have strong support. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Logistics. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
56. Go for it! History precedes you... |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
63. Obama will need to be pushed like *every* president. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Of course. And that was partly my intent in proposing this idea. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. The best thing about Obama is that he seems at least somewhat amenable to being pushed. |
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