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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:03 PM
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Great article on Obama's recent compromises ( public financing, death penalty)

On the issues in question: With regard to public financing, I think that only serious campaign-finance wonks have really complained about Obama's decision. Most people understand that if he opted in, he'd be sacrificing probably at least $200m, likely more. In addition, Obama's average contribution is $90, so, while he obviously has raked in his share of fat-cat money, he's also established, via the internet, a model of fundraising that's far more democratic and open to regular people of regular means. He should have been more honest in the way he talked about his decision, but, substantively, he did the right and necessary thing.

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the Supreme Court decision, Kennedy v Louisiana, most liberals are implacably opposed to the death penalty, and the idea of extending it to non-murderers is abhorrent to many people. So the sight of the Democratic nominee saying that the death penalty was an appropriate remedy in this case has been tough for some folks to swallow.

Tough for others to swallow is what Patrick Kennedy did. He repeatedly raped his eight-year-old stepdaughter, causing massive internal injuries. He left her to die, but her life was saved by multiple surgeries.

Substantively, Obama's position is in keeping with past statements. He's never been a blanket opponent of the death penalty, supporting it in cases where "the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage." One can disagree with that position, and I do. But it's kind of hard to argue that a crime like Kennedy's isn't deserving of the full measure of outrage.

But here's the thing. Kennedy is African-American. It's pretty easy to envision the attack ad that could be made against Obama if he'd taken the position here some liberals wanted him to take. An image of Kennedy appears on the screen, photo-shopped to make him look terrifying. Sinister music swells. The voiceover intones: "Barack Obama wants criminals like Patrick Kennedy to have a chance to go free so they can rape children again." And so on.

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Obama has, in fact, taken a number of strong stands that might hurt him. He did back the supreme court on habeas corpus rights for non-citizen detainees – not a popular position. He's against offshore oil drilling while polls are showing that majorities support it. His is a position that could harm him in the crucial state of Florida, but he's taken it. He'll presumably continue to stand his ground on opposing the federal gas-tax repeal, a position John McCain might choose to revive at some point. And he will have to defend this fall his support for increasing the capital gains tax by up to 10%, as he will assuredly be attacked for that. He supports a large cap-and-trade scheme on carbon emissions that will surely be attacked as a tax on business. And so on




http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/26/barackobama.uselections2008






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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:12 PM
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1. Increasingly our candidate's principles seem to be poll driven.
His recent positions on death penalty and public financing go against progressive orthodoxy. His stance on FISA was like a punch in the stomach. No telling what is next but you can bet it will be the product of careful polling.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:24 PM
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2. Oh, lawd. I'm so concerned.
"His recent positions on death penalty"

His "position" came just after the SC ruled it unconstitutional, so his comments have no effect whatsoever.

"public financing go against progressive orthodoxy"

The progressive orthodoxy on public financing is that it shouldn't be beholden to big, corporate, special interests. And that's exactly what he's done. Public financing by other means.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:08 PM
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7. I think people are just mad because he didn't fuck himself over.
They'd be bashing him as unelectable and out of touch if it were the other way around.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:15 PM
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8. People are mad because McCain's losing badly.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:21 PM
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9. And what kind of people get mad because of that?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:23 PM
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10. Republicans.
Am I right? :shrug:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:23 PM
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11. And?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:40 PM
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12. Racists.
:shrug:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:41 PM
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13. Republicans and their allies, but racists is good enough.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:43 PM
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14. And Fuck Em All.
Thats what I say. Fuck 'em.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:45 PM
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15. Yes. Fuck them, right in the ear!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:52 PM
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16. Fuck them in two ears!
Maybe it would help their brains.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:25 PM
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3. Are you surprised?
This happens every four years. It is nothing new.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:59 PM
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4. Republicans seem to grasp a concept that eludes Democrats:
that the point of elections is to win them. When you control the White House and the presidency you get to call the shots, you get to make the policy, you get to name justices to the Supreme Court, you get to guide the country. If Obama was to lose the election by affirming all the cherished liberal positions, even if he personally did not believe in them, there would be many Democrats here who would righteously satisfied while bitching about President McCain for the next 4 years and how he is trashing each and every one of their dearly held rights. There are only two ways to go: either you win and control power or you lose and complain.

Somebody here at DU should have informed Obama that if he won the nomination that he was expected to line up with each and every one of those cherished liberal positions, even if he did not support them. He should have been told that if he failed to support them that he would not have to worry about being attacked by the Republicans, that his fellow Democrats would love to do that for not toeing their line. A Democratic delicacy: sliced and sauteed Democrat. We do eat our own, but they are well prepared. I'm just looking forward to what Democrats will be ripping Obama for next week because I'm sure it will be something.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:04 PM
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6. No, the "new politics" is going to be not to let the GOP define you. NT
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