Anybody catch the anti-Obama rant from that person on Larry King tonight?

[RiverStone]

Her first name was Cynthia (sorry, don't recall last name) and she was head of an organization I won't provide the link for, but Woman for Fair Politics can be goggled. A quick read of the site reveals a big tirade, sour grapes, lots of anti-Obama ranting, or just plain ol shilling for McCain. It's hard to believe these folks are (were) truly rooted in the Democratic party!

Cynthia said she represents 3 million woman that were so mad at "Obama's surrogates, the media, and the Democratic party" for not addressing the sexism that transpired during the campaign that they REFUSE to vote for our party's nominee - Barack Obama.

Larry challenged her on McCain's support of the war and what would happen to woman's choice with a McBush SCOTUS.

Cynthia said that did not matter, she and women in her organization were so angry, they are leaving the Dem party and voting for McBush. Personally, this struck me as a red herring. Regardless of the sexism that sadly was apparent in some aspects of the primaries, as avowed feminists (per Cynthia's description of her members) - voting for McCain would simply be bizarre!

Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (a relentless Hillary supporter) said as much later on LKL, in fact; she said the above organization does not have anywhere close to 3 million members and certainly far fewer would actually be crazy enough to vote for an administration which would limit woman's rights.

As disingenuous as this person seemed, we need to keep this "organization" on the radar.

[wurzel]

1. Anyone who votes for McCain is a Republican to begin with.

[blogslut]

2. Is she part of the

Nobama Network?

They're not getting off to a very good start:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6416170

[bluerum]

3. No thinking person or group could mean the things she said. She, and her "group"

are in my mind, clearly RW psy-ops.

[AllentownJake]

4. These people are few and far between

[ErinBerin84]

5. I saw Debbie Wasserman Schultz earlier on MSNBC, and was actually impressed with her

She was talking about how Obama was going to win Florida, and then she did say something randomly like "He'll eat some bagels and cream cheese with them" (about the Jewish voters), and I was like "Uh, what?" But the rest sounded good and genuine.

[NYC_SKP]

7. I saw her too!

And was so impressed, given where her head was at a few weeks ago, that I nearly started a thread in her honor.

She's setting a great example for some of the more recalcitrant Hillary supporters, I'd say.

[ErinBerin84]

8. yep, I was cheering! She's definitely setting an example, good for her.

[GoldieAZ49]

10. She is an elected dem they have to take a pledge

individuals do not

[NYC_SKP]

12. yup, and Debra Bartoshevich missed that memo... nt

[GoldieAZ49]

17. ouch! is she an elected dem?

bet that will end the party funding if she is.

[NYC_SKP]

23. Yup, she's in trouble, here's a couple links.

They came from DemConWatch originally, the best source of tracking delegates during the primary.

Basically, she said she's voting for McCain.

Here's what she said:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762052&format=print

And the consequences:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2008/06/dems_finalize_rules_work.html

Rule and Bylaws Committee met over the issue:
http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/06/rbc-meeting-no-cameras-this-time.htm

[GoldieAZ49]

25. She already signed on with the Citizens for McCain!!

And the campaign has already contacted her. I bet she does commercials and if there are a lot of them, she may be at the repub convention.

that was fast!

[ErinBerin84]

13. uh, ok..?

Just giving props to a Democratic official, I am aware that it is to be expected but I was still impressed :)

[NYC_SKP]

14. But they don't have to go on Cable news and support the candidate...

I think that's the impressive part.

:hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

18. When they are highly visable opponents they need to make the same play for unity

that is why there is so much pressure on Hillary.

I think she did well turning it around so quickly, but she knows how important FA is

[NYC_SKP]

24. True enough....she seemed sincere and nice about it all, I was pleased. nt

[SwampG8r]

21. debbie is a turd

when she stops supporting gop candidates over dems
then and only then wll i reasses her status vis a vis turd-dom

[chknltl]

6. Fooled Ass Stupid Crazed Idiotic Swift-boating Toady

F.A.S.C.I.S.T.

[GoldieAZ49]

9. AP poll said Obama had just over half of her supporters

but 25% would not support Obama

those #'s don't match, but it sounds close, not all may be in her organization

[NYC_SKP]

16. It doesn't sound credible, not you, the poll....have you got a link? nt

[GoldieAZ49]

19. it didn't seem like it, an AP yahoo poll here is the link:

at the bottom

An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll out Thursday shows Obama has won over slightly more than half of Clinton's former supporters. About a quarter of Clinton's backers say they will support McCain over Obama.


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/06/26/20080626clinton-debt0626-ON.html

[NYC_SKP]

20. Thanks, maybe it will have cross tabs and details...they're revealing! nt

[NYC_SKP]

26. The AP poll had a wacky methodology, IMO.

A fair sample size, around 1500, but done over the internet and had a bajillion questions, I can't see that being very valid. I mean, whose got the time?

Only if you're curious or masochistic:

http://surveys.ap.org/data/KnowledgeNetworks/AP_Election_Wave5_Topline_062308.pdf

[GoldieAZ49]

33. Actually I think the length of it lends credibility

while I don't want to read all the way through it, you have to be serious to take the time to go through the whole thing

not like a DU this poll

[NYC_SKP]

38. It seems that much of the bulk of it was that there were so many things that

they were trying to learn from the survey, demographic, voting habits, favorability ratings, just tons of stuff.

I was wondering if the length of it automatically disqualified young, low attention span, really busy, and disinterested types in favor of people with nothing better to do and retired folks.

Here's one of the questions:

PLS5. When you are asked a question on a survey that makes you uncomfortable, how often do you give an
answer that is not completely true?


I dunno. I hope the AP poll was off, and/or that voting folks all come together by November!


:grouphug:

[Adelante]

11. Cynthia is full of shit and so are her "3 million" friends

:eyes:

[Imalittleteapot]

15. Of all of the Clinton supporters I know,

and there are many, not one will vote for McCain. They are all far more angry with the GOP and Bush and not one accuses Obama of running a sexist campaign. Cynthia is a crock of you know what and probably very nicely paid for by the McCain "straght talk express".

[rodeodance]

39. oh for petey's sake!!

[Cha]

22. Sounds like cynthia is

playing lying politics and doesn't have a sincere bone in her republicon body.

[rodeodance]

34. Actually she came across as strong and articulate.

[RiverStone]

36. An articulate republican!

[FrenchieCat]

27. No. I'm glad I missed it.

There's a reason Cable News gets few viewers. Cynthia sounds like she would be one of them.

[NYC_SKP]

29. Nice button, with JFK and BHO...

Reading his words I could almost hear his voice, his accent, it gave me a little chill...

Wow.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Stumbled upon it here at DU.

With my new FrenchieCat Avatar gifted from a DU friend, the B/W colors made it all too perfect a combo that I couldn't resist!

[hokies4ever]

28. They need to ask her why she wouldn't vote for Cynthia McKinney

I'd love to hear that response. :rofl:

[goldcanyonaz]

32. Why?

[hokies4ever]

35. Hmmm...puzzling indeed

:sarcasm:

Why jump from Hillary to McCain instead of voting for Cynthia McKinney?

Maybe you still don't understand. Let me have Tim Wise educate you:

http://www.counterpunch.org/wise06072008.html

[goldcanyonaz]

37. Oh right, she must be a racist!

[hokies4ever]

41. I see that you didn't read the article

else you would understand the context of asking why not vote for Cynthia McKinney. What does McSame offer them that McKinney doesn't? I'll let you try to honestly answer that question.

[goldcanyonaz]

44. I have read Wise many times, do you think they would have had her on

the show had she been voting 3rd party?

[jazzjunkysue]

30. I think Barack knows that the other name for Front Runner is dart board.

Better get used to this. It's not gonna stop.

[totodeinhere]

40. Don't worry about people like that. They will make a lot of noise, but there aren't very many of...

them and they will not have any effect on the election IMHO.

[anonymous171]

42. Hell hath no fury like female stereotypes.

[NYC_SKP]

43. Cynthia Ruccia nt

[LTR]

45. Obama is not a mysoginist

These deadenders are just pissed because he had the audacity to run against their 'anointed' one.

They're closet Republicans anyway. Same with the goons behind those sites like No Quarter, Hillaryis44 and Make Them Accountable. Phony-ass liberals, all of 'em.

[ellacott]

46. So very true

She claimed to be so offended by the sexism but McCain has called his wife a c**t and a trollop. He also left his disabled wife for a rich beauty queen who used her money and connections to get him into politics.

They really need to go somewhere and sit down.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

47. Unfortunately, I caught it too

The logic of voting for McCain just because Hiliary lost the primary is so........lost on me. It doesn't make any sense at all given McSame's positions on abortion rights and reproductive health issues not to mention his statements about the kind of justices he would appoint to the Supreme Court and how they might rule on those issues in the future. Also, do they have sons and/or daughters that they're ready and willing to sacrifice for the sake of McSame's planned warmongering?
Larry King tried to make sense of it all and one of the reasons that she came up with is that McCain is apparently promising to have a lot of women in his administration (if elected).
She also cited the Democratic party's apparent refusal to address the sexism in the campaign. Now, I have to admit that I didn't pay as much attention to the primary as I probably should have but I didn't really see the sexism in the campaign, at least not by Obama's campaign nor by the Democratic Party in general and I'm not entirely sure how they might have addressed it. I certainly did see signs of sexism in the MSM and its coverage of Hilary's campaign (starting with their stupid "cackle" story) but I didn't see sexism as being the reason, or at least certainly not a major reason, for why she lost the primary. I'll leave it to others to dissect the reasons that she ultimately lost (or at least fought the primary to a near-draw) to Obama but I just don't see how Obama's campaign and the Democratic Party in general either promoted/fueled sexism resulting in Hilary's ultimate defeat and I haven't really seen any evidence thereof. I'm certainly open to hearing what other people think on the matter and would consider whatever evidence is presented but Hilary losing the primary is not sufficient evidence to establish that sexism necessarily played a (major) role in her defeat.
In regards to this anti-Obama/Pro-McCain group of women, I just don't know what to think of them. They are either so thoroughly deluded as to think that McCain REALLY supports them and their priorities or are otherwise so suicidally angry about and unable to come to terms with Hilary's loss that they are willing to vote against their own interests. Or it is entirely possible that they are Republican "plants", possibly part of a new phase of "Operation Chaos" being promoted by the GOP to help divide the Democratic Party. I just can't think of any bonafide Democrat being so upset and aggrieved about the loss of their preferred primary candidate that they would choose to respond by actively supporting the opposition candidate, particularly when the alleged offense(s) do not appear to be anywhere near proportionate to such a response. I could understand somebody perhaps deciding to vote for a third party and/or choose not to vote at all but I would think that it would be quite difficult to throw away pretty much all of your beliefs, principles, values, etc. just because your preferred candidate doesn't win, which makes it hard for me to believe that this woman and her "group" were ever Democrats in the first place.

[RiverStone]

49. In reality, who really knows if it is more than a handful of people

As you said:

Or it is entirely possible that they are Republican "plants", possibly part of a new phase of "Operation Chaos" being promoted by the GOP to help divide the Democratic Party.

The more I thought about it, I wonder how this group even got on Larry King? Anybody can post an internet site. In my personal travels, I have met a couple of Hillary supporters who were very disappointed, possibly enough to sit out the election. But not one has ever suggested that they would vote for McCain. There is something else going on with this.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

51. I agree

As to how they're getting publicity, my guess is that if, as I suspect, they are somehow affiliated with the GOP or the McCain campaign, they are probably getting some support/publicity from them much like the Bush campaign was later revealed to have been supporting the SBVT in the 2004 election. The more and more I think about it, however, I am convinced that they probably never were Democrats to begin with. The GOP has NEVER been any kind of bastion for open-mindedness and egalitarianism when it comes to gender and these women have really got to be deluding themselves if they think that McCain and the right-wing fundies that he's bringing along for the ride are going to represent the interests of women better than Obama.

IF, for the sake of the argument, these women really were Democrats at one point, they certainly were already more on the conservative/right-wing end of party and are now using the "sexism" argument to justify their rejection of Obama and support of McCain although I still don't understand how they fail to notice the pretty profound policy differences between Clinton and McCain

:wtf:

We'll also never know quite how many Hilary supporters were actually "Operation Chaos" GOP operatives and how their infiltration into open Democratic primaries all over the country skewed the primary results (probably in ways that we may never know). "Operation Chaos" was probably orchestrated to help drive a wedge into the heart of the Democratic Party and keep the primary going, possibly even all the way to the convention. Now that Obama has secured the nomination, however, I think that they are probably using these former Clinton supporters and supposed McCain "converts" to advance this "sexism" angle in order to attempt to drive a wedge between the Democratic Party and women voters, particularly other former Clinton supporters.

Dividing and conquering seems to be one of the two or three things the GOP knows how to do well and I think that that is what this organization is ultimately all about. I could be wrong, of course, but after witnessing everything that has happened over the past 7 years I'm inclined to believe the worst about the GOP.

:tinfoilhat:

[GarbagemanLB]

48. Holy fuck are these people morons. Complain about misogyny and vote for the guy who dumped his first

wife and called his current wife a 'c*nt'.

The stupidity is astounding.

[barack the house]

50. Schltz has really redeemed herself in the last week or so. We have to do this together despite our..

differences. I am proud that she is showing her loyalty to the party they are worth working for if they have the right support. If Hillary can work with the same gusto as Debbie is now doing her debt will soon clear up naturally.