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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:50 PM
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What Sheldon Whitehouse D RI discovered in Bush's OLC papers just before he voted YES on cloture.
Make that the Office of Legal Counsel. He, as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, spent hours going over these papers. What he wrote about it is terrifying in its clarity...Bush considers himself in total control, able to do anything he wants, when he wants.

Yesterday Senator Sheldon Whitehouse voted YES on cloture on the FISA bill. They apparently won't vote until July, but we know how it will go. Just like the vote on the Iraq invasion. Just like the trade deals. Just like the bankruptcy bill which left the elderly and ill vulnerable to losing their homes through no fault of their own.

Whitehouse knew the extent of the powers Bush had claimed for himself, and he voted to end the discussion of the FISA bill that gives him even more legal powers to spy.

From Kagro X at Daily Kos...the discoveries made by Whitehouse in the OLC files.

Profiles in WTF. Sheldon Whitehouse

These are Whitehouse's statements after reading the files.

To give you an example of what I read, I have gotten three legal propositions from these OLC opinions declassified. Here they are, as accurately as my note taking could reproduce them from the classified documents. Listen for yourself. I will read all three, and then discuss each one.

An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.

The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President’s authority under Article II.

The Department of Justice is bound by the President’s legal determinations.


To use more of Whitehouse's words on the topic.

In a nutshell, these three Bush administration legal propositions boil down to this:

"I don’t have to follow my own rules, and I don’t have to tell you when I’m breaking them."

"I get to determine what my own powers are."

"The Department of Justice doesn’t tell me what the law is, I tell the Department of Justice what the law is."


Then Sheldon Whitehouse said:

When the Congress of the United States is willing to roll over for an unprincipled President, this is where you end up.


He was correct. Then he rolled over. He voted for cloture on the bill that will undermine further the 4th amendment rights to privacy, probable cause, and warrants.

Kagro X had more to say on the topic.

FISA: Yeah, but... what if?

If there's one thing the 110th Congress has taught us, it's that this bill can only be the "exclusive means by which electronic surveillance and the interception of domestic wire, oral, or electronic communications may be conducted" to the extent that the Congress itself insists it is.

Insists. Using all their powers. Every time. All the time. Forever.

How much you wanna bet?

UPDATE: And Hoyer closes his speech with the same ridiculous argument. What a capper.

UPDATE 2: The House Majority opposes the bill by a margin of 105-128. The bill passes.

UPDATE 3: And the great payoff for this week's "bipartisan compromises?" Republican one minute speeches blaming Democrats for high gas prices.


The groups that our Democrats are trying to pacify by such a bill are already on the attack. They are not going to rollover and exclaim that the Democrats are just so strong on National Security.

They do not compromise their principles...flawed as they may be. A few in the independent middle might do so. But they were already skeptical of this administration.

We know the price of this bill. I don't think many of our Democrats did know when they voted for it. They voted on faith without reading it. After all they only had 24 hours to read all of it, and one hour to discuss.

I vowed the day that we invaded Iraq and the bombs were dropping as the media salivated over it....I vowed I would not be silent about things that mattered like wars, hurting our elderly, giving our jobs away....and a party that is shirking its responsibility to hold the most incompetent president ever responsible for the horrors he has wrought on this country, and the world.

How can we just go along with this without speaking out? Even if it does no good, and the party ignores us again...how can we not express our anger.

I do not give Obama a pass on giving and voting for such a sell-out bill. I do not give a pass to 105 House Democrats who voted YES.

I will vote for our nominee, but the farther away he moves from the center to the scary right....the more fears I have. In truth, I believe he is doing it because that is what Democrats have been trained to do for decades...they think they must appeal to the extreme right to win.

I don't want to hear the argument from some here who do it every time....the argument that it was the Blue Dogs who gave us the 2006 win. That is hooey. When your party leaders descend on your district and dry up the money, when you are called in by the other candidate by party leaders and told to drop out.. you might as well do it. So if only conservative Dems are running, of course they win.

The far right is jaded and tough. They think it is a joke when we pander and hope to win their favor. At this time in our history with the destruction of our country by this bunch of incompetents, it is just plain dumb to think we have to cater to them to win.



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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:00 PM
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1. Agreed, it matters not how we got here.
We've got to hold the current administration and all members of congress accountable.

Thank you for another thoughtful and pointed commentary.


:thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:13 AM
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3. Yes, we do have to do it this time.
We must.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:03 PM
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2. Profiles in WTF, indeed.
:banghead:

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:52 AM
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4. There must be accountability
And I think it may be time to actively attempt to fight the multi administration push for executive power. Time for a weak executive branch, no matter who is in power.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:54 AM
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5. Sheldon Whitehouse is a gem
He is brilliant.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 01:04 AM
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7. I admire him, but he should not have voted for cloture.
Cloture means the vote will pass.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:26 PM
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28. is that the real outcome that those who voted YEA for no cloture
just like Whitehouse and Reed (both of my Senators) that the vote will pass? Or will they vote NO when the vote comes up on July 8 when they came back from recess. I would hate if that was the case and that they did vote YES for such a horrific bill. During this recess, I will call both of my Senators and say that they must oppose this bill.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:15 PM
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33. I may be wrong, but cloture just means discussion has ended...
and all they have to do is vote.

They can vote differently than they did on cloture, but the question is why did they vote yes?

They know the numbers, that it will pass if it comes to a vote.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:55 AM
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6. I'm sure Dads has the goods on everybody
and every now and then somebody gets Larry Craiged just to let them know.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 01:11 AM
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8. How do these fuckers sleep at night knowing they gambled our freedoms away like this?
I can't believe what I am hearing and reading about these guys that are supposed to be protecting our interests.

It's time for another Boston Tea Party.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:56 AM
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16. This time the voting machines
go into the harbor.
I love the sound of gurgling corrupt electronic voting machines. It sounds like--------Victory.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 01:33 AM
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9. And he supported Hillary. WTF is wrong with him? Seriously. For a smart guy
he's acting like he's stupid.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 03:17 AM
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11. Seriously, you should have kept that crack to yourself.
Just as I am keeping so much to myself.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 03:20 AM
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12. Because we failed to impeach Bush...
The incoming president will have all Bush's usurped, unchallenged powers PLUS the precedent that nothing is bad enough to cause impeachment.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Good luck to all of us.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:38 PM
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30. yep
If the democrats think they are going to benefit from this they should consider that they have not yet won and that there is the chance they may lose. Anyone remember 2000?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:06 PM
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36. Uhhhhh, I forgot 2000. I was stuck back in 2004. Sorry.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 02:14 AM
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10. I didn't think too highly before...
and now I'm thinking... the same. There's congresscritters out there, folks. He's proving to be one with this shocking situation. What will be interesting, God willing, is that we win the White House, and have a majority - do these acts of malfeasance that W has committed get accounted for, or do they allow everything to stay the way it is while we slowly draw down in Iraq? I could see how some would say (who believe Kooch should be the next pres., I'm sure!) that things never change b/c they're corporate-Dems... John Edwards said why replace corporate-Repubs with the same thing from our party!

I hope Sen. Obama shows GREAT LEADERSHIP and resolve and shakes things up in DC unlike any president since FDR! A CLEANING UNLIKE ANY OTHER! I can tell you this, with Edwards, Clark and others in an Obama WH, things will change or this country will never be the same...
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:22 AM
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13. I cast my vote against them yesterday.
The DCCC was playing their games in Florida's 13th again this year. You know, the undervote capital between Vern Buchanan(R) and Christine Jennings(R-turned D for Rahm). I sent $200 to Jan Schneider (D-turned No Party Affiliation, when the DCCC refused to stay neutral in the primary), a real Democrat.

I'll never vote to elect another Blue Dog, DLCer, or New Democrat in my life. I don't have that many elections left.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 02:38 PM
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24. Does Jan have a website now?
Can't vote for her, but will probably send money. She has been treated shabbily.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:48 AM
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34. Right here
www.votejan.com

I can't vote for her either.

Back in '04 when I ran for Congress, my campaign manager also was a Senior Adviser on her staff.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Dr.Phool/2
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:47 PM
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31. amen - love your fight and spunk! God bless you and me & real Democrats! EOM
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:38 AM
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14. "He was correct. Then he rolled over."
:crazy: That's a flip and a flop in the same heartbeat! :crazy:

K/R for an excellent analysis of the issue :hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:09 PM
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21. Did you see where the GOP is mocking our nominee as spineless
because he did not stand against the bill?

That was my point...we are damned if we do and damned if we don't...so we might as well stand for what is right.

:hi:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:06 PM
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27. that's it, plain and simple
I write War and Peace and can't come close to expressing the thought as well as you do in one sentence.

"We are damned if we do and damned if we don't...so we might as well stand for what is right."

:applause:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 12:07 PM
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35. Stupid Freepers blame it all on the "democrat congress"...
I had to point out to one pinhead at work that
at least SOME democrats voted against it....that
his boys (with (1)? exception, ALL voted to bury
our 4th amendment rights.

They will blame every lousy piece of legislation
on the dems.

I am SICK of the cancer within.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:41 AM
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15. Perhaps he's recognized that it doesn't matter how they vote
Bush will do whatever he wants, no matter how Congress votes. They have no real power to change anything until he is out of office, and the constitution can be restored by President Obama.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 09:21 AM
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17. With the new bill....the door is closed on discovering Bush's wrongdoings.
It will at once stop the suits already filed against the telecoms, it will prevent others, and it will keep us from finding out what has happened in the past.

Why is it necessary.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:34 AM
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18. They should probably play out the clock, and pass no bill until after Inauguration Day n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:08 PM
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25. They will pass it though....to appear tough.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:32 PM
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29. someone or somebody needs to challenge *, he can't get
away with this.
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CubicleGuy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 10:58 AM
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19. At the risk of sounding like Obama's discredited preacher...
... God damn these people.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:06 AM
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20. I would prefer Chafee to Whitehouse.
At least Chafee had a spine.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:13 PM
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22. So why did he do it?
I see these two things, but I'm not seeing the connection.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:32 PM
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23. Maybe because there is no connection. No reason.
Just like the reason any Democrat would vote for it. No rational explanation except to pander to fear and terror.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:13 PM
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37. Absolutely correct. Fear that the Democratic leadership will turn on them like a
cornered wolverine. Question to self: Why the fuck is it that the Democratic leadership doesn't ever turn on the Repigs like an cornered Wolverine?

And the terror of thinking they might meet the same fate as Elliot Spitzer, or worse, Paul Wellstone.


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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:09 PM
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26. Political Expediency at an all Time Low
This is why our country is falling apart and who is part of the problem. People like this should never, ever be in government.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:54 PM
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32. My crazy friend, the one in a wheelchair, keeps telling me that . . .
ALL of the politicians in D.C. are in the pocket of corporations. I keep trying to tell her that's not true, that some of them are trustworthy and honest. But then something else like this happens and she starts in on me all over again. I'm seriously not doubting her much at all these days. Do the Dems just continue to cave in day after day, month after month, year after year? Is it because they don't want to or cannot give up the kickbacks they get? I'm beginning to think Iceland would be much better than this shit hole I live in now.
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