Obama primary supporters should help Hillary retire her debt

[question everything]

Why? to have a fair exchange. Hillary called on her big donors - who've already given her the maximum allowed - to donate to Obama. Some estimate that this call could result in $100 million. Thus, it is only fair that, in return, Obama supporters should contribute to Hillary.

Perhaps Skinner can organize a DU fund raising for Hillary, similar to the one done for Obama.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com

[AllentownJake]

1. Umm...

I don't make much. I've given the Obama campaign about $600 plus volunteer time. I will give more. I also have a congressional candidate running against an incumbent rethug bastard in my district who I'd like to give money to.

On spending priorities....Hillary is last. I'm sorry I will not give money to a dead campaign of a millionaire who can solve her own debt problems by writing a check and sending her husband on another speaking tour for a year. If other millionaires want to help her out that's their perogative but I would be extremely offended if Obama sent me an email asking me to help Hillary.

[Kittycat]

2. Not to be rude or anything... But my ATM doesn't spring eternal.

Please keep in mind that the reason most of Obama's donors give less than $100, is because they/we are not rich. I'm doing what I can to donate to him, local candidates, DNC. Sometimes it's money, volunteering for my local party to get the word out and register new voters, I even did a bake sale last weekend.

At this time, I do not see where helping Hillary pay off her debt is going to help get our Local Dem Candidate for County Clerk, elected in our historically, red district (IL14.

[question everything]

25. I appreciate this. Perhaps I should have added: "for the ones who can"

With the economy wobbling and with uncertainly of our jobs and our savings - if any - it is hard to continue to support worthy causes.

[DevonRex]

50. Um, where are the Hillary primary voters? Why can't THEY each

send her a couple of bucks? Especially the ones who wanted her to keep going and going and going and going...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

3. Hillary has asked her big donors to help Obama and he has asked his big donors to help her.

I believe that is fair exchange.

[Lisa0825]

4. I am saving for needed home repairs. They made 100 million plus.

Who can afford to pay the debt better?

Now, I was planning to send $20 or so, but that was before the BS quotes about Obama not doing enough to pay her debt. They can damn well afford to absorb it themselves. I certainly don't want to feel like if the Obama supporters do not oblige then her supporters will intentionally withhold support. That's just plain petulant.

I think Obama did the right thing by tapping his big supporters for her. They can help if they want. Bill and Hill should deal with what's left.

[lligrd]

5. I'll Be Happy To Help Her Retire

Her debt however, is her own problem and I have no doubt she can afford to pay it off. I don't give money to those that throw me under the bus.

[Tarheel_Dem]

6. Skinner can do what he likes re: fundraising, but that's one fundraiser

I won't be participating in. I appreciate that Hillary has thrown her support to the presumptive nominee, but most of us can ill afford to throw good money after bad. Like others here, I am helping local campaigns, and contributing what I can to Obama. Hopefully the millionaires Obama has tapped will step up to retire Hillary's debt.

I just think it's ironic that you'd even make this appeal after everyone knew this race was all but over, months before she conceded, except Hillary. I'll be damned if I want to think of my money going to pay the outrageous fees of Mark Penn & Howard Wolfson, after they tried to bury Obama.

:edited for missing word:

[NYC_SKP]

7. I thought we already went over this.... The primaries are over. It's the GE now.

The primaries are over. We now are funding for the general election and will need every cent.

I don't know what Skinner will want to do, but I think you could start one and link it to a post in the GD forum or DU Hillary forum once a day.

[MrSlayer]

8. I'm sorry, no they shouldn't.

First of all, the Clintons are worth in excess of $130 million. She can pay it off herself. Secondly, she is that deep in debt by her own fault. She stayed in an election that she had clearly lost months ago and yet continued on anyway. It's ridiculous to expect Obama's supporters, most of whom are small donors, to foot the bill for someone as irresponsible and wealthy as she. She doesn't need help and extorting Obama's supporters in exchange for giving over her donors, which she should have done automatically, is wrong. Every dollar this Obama supporter donates is going to his campaign, he needs it far more than she does.

The super wealthy, max out Obama donors can do it but the grassroots people should not nor should they be expected to.

[defendandprotect]

9. Obama has given up public financing and is now involved with HRC and her financing?

No thanks ---

[mod mom]

10. How about those 18 million devoted backers who voted for her. Us Obama donors

need to support our nominee so that he doesn't need to rely on bigwigs who want something in return.

Why doesn't Hillary renegotiate with Mark Penn?

[liberaltrucker]

11. Not a penney to Hillary

She and Bill are multimillionaires. They can afford it. I can't.

:nopity:

[Milo_Bloom]

12. LMAO!... yes, let's help the millionaire out of debt.

She spent money she knew she didn't have and wouldn't get and now the people are supposed to bail her out... NOT.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

13. Are you going to reply to your own thread?

Why isn't Obama asking his big donors to help Clinton equivelent to Clinton asking her big donors to support Obama?

[question everything]

23. I thought that Obama does not have big donors... yet

that all his donors are small donors.

This is why they had that big meeting yesterday, for Hillary to introduce him and to ask them to donate to him. Big bucks.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

28. I don't think anyone ever said *all* of his donors were small donors.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. That is not true

Obama has big donors and has from word go. The majoriy of his donors are small donors, the majority of his cash comes from large donors.

[City Lights]

53. FYI...

Obama Asks Donors To Help Clinton With Campaign Debt

WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama on Tuesday asked his finance team to help Hillary Rodham Clinton pay off a debt of at least $10 million from her failed presidential campaign, setting the stage for joint appearances by the two former rivals later in the week.

In a teleconference with his top fundraisers Tuesday afternoon, Obama asked them to do what they could to help Clinton, according to two Democrats familiar with the call. A campaign spokesman confirmed that Obama had asked them to help the former first lady.

"Some of our donors have asked and Barack said if they have the ability to raise or give money to help on debt, we encourage them to do so," spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Obama's green light to his money bundlers came two days before he and Clinton were scheduled to meet in Washington with some of her top fundraisers in a show of unity after their bruising contest for the Democratic presidential nomination. On Friday, the two planned to campaign together in New Hampshire.

more... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/24/obama-asks-donors-to-help_n_109054.html

[TahitiNut]

14. It might be amusing to see how much DUers pony up for Hillary. Yep. Good idea.

I can always use a laugh. :rofl:

[IowaGirl]

15. Look, even if the Obama supporters only gave $5 each to retire Hillary's

debt,it would go a long way toward healing wounds that have occurred in this primary season. It's a long time til November and a little good will now might generate some green for Obama in later months from the Clinton supporters.

[liberaltrucker]

16. Hill, babes, you spent $11 mil out of your $130 mil net worth

That's like me putting $3000 down on a car note, for crissakes!

[MonkeyFunk]

18. How do you figure her net worth is $130 million?

:shrug:

[liberaltrucker]

20. Upthread post 4

Typo on my part.

[MonkeyFunk]

67. So I'm still asking

how do you figure her net worth is anywhere close to the figure you cited?

Yes, they're very well-off, but I just don't see how you calculate the accumulated income over many years as equal to net worth.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. I have to question your premises. In fact, I have to question everything about your OP

Have you thought of holding a bake sale?

[question everything]

26. So much hatred. How sad

and people here are upset at a bumper sticker from a Hillary supporter.

By the time all the Hillary haters realize how important her supporters are to win in November, it will be too late.

[CakeGrrl]

27. Sounds a lot like "You Obama supporters need to pay Hillary's debt or we won't vote for your guy"

I mean, every discussion that starts up about retiring her debt ends up including a 'reminder' from a Hillary supporter that Obama needs her supporters and a warning that that help may not materialize.

Explain how retiring Hillary's debt needs to correlate directly to Obama receiving support.

It sounds like the threat some of her donors are holding over Obama to help her pay it off or they won't help him.

What gives here?

[Bluenorthwest]

31. What gives is characterization

What give is not knowing the difference between an implication and an inference.

[iconicgnom]

32. Please, give it a rest with the "haters" crap.

It's a projection that fell flat during the primary and it's a projection that falls flat now.

[John Q. Citizen]

34. Poor baby. Begging money for a millionaire. Can you believe your life has come to this?

Like I said, try a bake sale. They work and you can keep your dignity.

[JVS]

42. if her supporters cared about her funding, she wouldn't be in debt now.

[DevonRex]

55. Yep. If they each donated a couple of bucks, it'd be taken care of. nt

[City Lights]

54. "Hatred" has replaced "sexism" as the most over-used word from HRC

supporters. :eyes:

Many Obama supporters have held bake sales for Obama. Where is the hatred in suggesting that HRC supporters do the same?

[Carolina]

58. then those supporters should bail her out!!!

Seems to me they're all talk and threat.

If they are going to continue to act like petulant, spoiled children, then FUCK THEM.

[DevonRex]

61. Why don't Hillary supporters pay her debt? They wanted her to

stay in until June. Everyone else on earth knew it was over by the beginning of March. Realistically it was over in February.

Did her supporters think campaigns are free? Did her supporters think the big donors would take care of it like always? Did her supporters pay attention to the debt that was being run up? Did they consider the small businesses that had not been paid and have STILL not been paid? IMO, Hillary's debt is her supporters' debt, too.

We don't have much money, but we donated what we could to Obama and will continue to do so. Because we know there's nothing free in this world. And we pay our debts. We want a campaign that's run by the people and we're proud to support it. We make little sacrifices in order to give to the campaign. Because that's what responsible people do.

Where are Hillary's responsible people? Or, I should have said where WERE they? Realistically, would anyone donate now to a campaign that's over? They're probably donating to Obama now.

[Median Democrat]

I Have No Problem With Obama's Maxed Out Donors Helping Hillary

Since Hillary's maxed out donors can't help her. I do, however, don't think that the non-maxed out donors should donate to Hillary before they max out on Obama and the DNC. I have no problem helping HIllary, particularly since she is helping Obama.

[Median Democrat]

19. I Have No Problem With Obama's Maxed Out Donors Helping Hillary

Since Hillary's maxed out donors can't help her. I do, however, don't think that the non-maxed out donors should donate to Hillary before they max out on Obama and the DNC. I have no problem helping HIllary, particularly since she is helping Obama.

[julios]

21. Somehow

I don't think I'm going to see Hillary on the bus tomorrow, or working at the local Wal-Mart...I think she'll be okay.

I think Bill Gates took a hit on a stock deal today, I'll be selling pies out front this Saturday morning.

[democrattotheend]

22. If you are going to, use this url

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=3&from=obamasupporters

And add $1.07 to the amount, in honor of the 107 votes they each got in Unity, NH

[question everything]

24. Thank you. I just used the home page

I like your idea of $1.07. Especially with a small donation of, say, $5.00 this makes a big difference.

[briv1016]

29. I'm going to repost what I said this morning on a similar thread.

If Mark Penn came with a money back guarantee Hillary would be clear of her debt including her loans.

_____Time Period______Amount Paid

2007_January-March_____$0.00
_____April-June_________$277,146.96
_____July-September____$1,583,465.08
_____October-December_$2,269,418.11
2008_January___________$3,807,718.31
_____February__________$3,147,990.00
_____March____________$2,963,802.00
_____April_____________$3,098,972.00
_____May______________$943,708.00

_____Debt_____________$4,612,431.61

_____Total____________$22,704,652.07


_____Hillary's Debt______$22,523,860.72 (including loans)

[Levgreee]

33. yes, by paying for Hillary we are basically giving money to Penn

[TheKentuckian]

35. I sent a little

It seems silly from a practical standpoint when I'm scrimping to be bailing out another millionaire from self created problems that I was actually opposed to but I figure a little karma never hurts.

I figure if I can contribute to fixing a mess then there is no excuse for not supporting the party and nominee from the sour grapes gallery.

[Raine]

36. Obama has called on his big donors to help Hillary

I don't feel the need to give myself. I'd rather give it to Obama for the GE.

[Diane R]

37. Or.....not. Seems to me that she and Bill could afford to pay those vendors themselves.

[Tesha]

38. This is politics, not kindergarten.

If Hillary's donors want to see a continuation of
the Democratic revolution of 2006, they'll support
this year's crop of Democratic candidates *WITHOUT
ATTACHING STRINGS* to their support.

If not, well, then...

Tesha

[Adelante]

39. Skinner has a DU fundraiser to back the Democratic Nominee in the GE

He never had any fundraising for Richardson, Biden, Edwards, Dodd, Kucinich or Gravel to square their primary debt.

The campaigns are negotiating the Clinton debt payment. It is for BIG DONORS to clear this money issue up in a way that benefits both campaigns.

Obama's small donors should not be interfering in his business. He has reasons for not asking his small donors.

We should back him up, not sabotage the process.

[thoughtcrime1984]

40. I'm backing the nominee with my money. I will back a local candidate or two. That's all I can and

care to afford.

[JVS]

41. I don't think anyone who hasn't already maxed out on donating to Obama should give Clinton a dime

Donate toward the future, not the past.

[stevietheman]

43. I don't believe in throwing good money after bad, especially when Hillary can afford to cover...

the debt with her own funds. The Clintons aren't hurting, believe me.

[lojasmo]

44. I gave ten bucks, but.....

I am tapped from supporting actual candidates in races that matter. Maybe the high bucks people who have already maxed out for Obama can support her, but there are other important candidates to support too.

I think Clinton should pony up the money for staying in LONG after it was evident she couldn't win.

Notably, Clinton only donated to Obama AFTER he donated to her.....pretty telling.

[Adelante]

46. The down ticket races are really suffering

You're right. I'm spreading anything I can around to help.

[NYC_SKP]

45. I'm an unpaid vendor, can I sue the candidate or campaign?

Or do I have to eat the loss?

If the debtor was an individual or business, clearly I could seek legal recourse.

What can one do if the debtor is "Hillary Clinton for President"?

[DevonRex]

47. I would not bail my children out if they were irresponsible with

their monetary decisions, because there comes a time when an adult has to be responsible for their own actions. So, why would I bail out a millionaire who kept throwing money away for a lost cause? Everyone knew it was over for months, yet she kept going, piling up more debt and not even paying the small business owners who worked for her in good faith.

We need every bit of money we can raise for the GE. Every dime I send to Hillary is a dime that does not go to Barack.

I'm being responsible for my OWN finances, by giving to the candidate in the race that matters. If people with money to burn can give to Hillary that's fine with me. I don't happen to be one of them.

[City Lights]

48. Nope. nt

[DevonRex]

49. Why aren't her "18 million supporters" paying her debt? Just

askin. :shrug:

[goldcanyonaz]

60. My husband and I are maxed out donors

[DevonRex]

65. That's good. But how about all the "other" voters? If they had

each donated even a small amount, wouldn't that have covered her debt?

I lay this at the feet of Mark Penn, who obviously dropped the ball on fundraising. Because her supporters were passionate and they would have donated during the primaries. Now, however, they know it's over and have washed their hands of responsibility.

Not you, goldcanyon. You did the right thing and can be proud.

[LowerManhattanite]

51. Ahhhhhhh...I see the “revenge kids”...

...are really pushing the whole “You fucking won? Well, the one thing that'll make us feel better is bankrupting YOU! Waaaaaah!” meme.

They're never cuter than when they're all pissy and whatnot. :)

[Genevieve]

52. No. n/t

[Peacetrain]

56. This is nuts.. I am in Iowa..and one of the first reasons

I did not support Hillary for president was how piss poor they handled their finances here.. Obamas people were doubling up in rooms.. checking everything twice..but making sure their bills were paid.. while Hillarys campaign was throwing money at the windshields.. they handed out snow shovels for the love of GOD.. to anyone who came to their headqtrs.. it was nuts.. we contributed to Obama because we knew the money would be used wisely.. we are not rich people.. and if I can't afford the lattes..well you get my drift.. so anyone who wants to can.. but my 10 cents is going to get the democrats elected

[adoraz]

57. hell no. Its HER fault. She needs to do it herself.

[Politicub]

59. I'm disappointed that Hillary ran up such a huge debt

But what's done is done. I think that Obama sends a lot of good vibes by calling on his largest donors to help with retiring her debt, but she should have never gone that much in the hole in the first place.

[DevonRex]

63. And why didn't her 18 million supporters donate to her campaign? nt

[Politicub]

64. Beats me

:shrug:

I was originally a Hillary supporter, but I don't feel compelled to help her out with her campaign debt. I think she was being irresponsible to keep spending.

And, I don't have extra dollars laying around to bail her out. I would rather give what little I have to give to Obama or the DNC.

[DevonRex]

66. Because it's really and truly over, right? Once it's over, why give?

This is Mark Penn's fault. He should have been out there raising money DURING the primaries. The campaign cannot expect money from folks like us, who don't have unlimited funds, after it's a done deal.

[yourguide]

62. She continued to campaign

and trash Obama after she was mathematically eliminated. Sorry. She continued to spend the money even though she couldnt win after March.

That 22 mil is better used against McCain.