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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 01:26 AM Original message |
Is Obama's FISA vote his Clinton Sister Souljah moment? |
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Ashy Larry (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. I don't think so. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Given the circumstances, he should easily be able to justify to the public |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well, he sided with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas twice this week, too. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. If he were to embrace the gas tax holiday, the right couldn't attack him for that. Why didn't he? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. He should have. It was decent idea. nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I didn't realize you were basing positions on the merit of the position, only on the political |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I didn't answer your first question because it had nothing to do with what I said. |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. self-del-nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Well said. |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
5. And I don't mean anything bad by it, just wondering if he is... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I hope not, Bill's politics led Democratic voters to stay home in 1994 and we lost the congress. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. That first happened in 1994 |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Clinton tried to have a progressive presidency and conservative Dems like - |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Repo turnout was about the same as in 1990. NAFTA depressed Dem turnout. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Dems didn't stay home because of Clinton, they stayed because Congress turned on Clinton |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Clinton's problem with health care started when he kicked out the grass roots, congress, the care |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Health Care was defeated by the insurance companies |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I'm glad the country as a whole isn't Texas. Who was there to defend Clinton plan? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. "Harry and Louise" were brought to you by health insurance companies. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. That makes no sense. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. and NAFTA, and gun ownership, and campaign finance... |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
11. whatever it is, it sure makes me think politicians are bullshit for the most part |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
17. I thought L'Affaire McClurkin was his Sister Souljah moment. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
37. In order for it to be a Sister Souljah moment, people beyond the netroots need to notice. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. No, it's his Lieberman kiss moment. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Hmm? Did you think the civil suits would have exposed The Crimes? |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
23. What "FISA vote"? Last I heard there hasn't been a Senate vote on the FISA bill yet. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. 80 senators voted for cloture |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. So how did Obama vote on cloture, and how does that relate to the OP? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. He was one of four who didn't vote. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-29-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Thanks for filling me in. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
25. Wow, is it July already? I guess I needed that nap a LOT... |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. What is a Sister Souljah moment? |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Many consider it.... |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Thanks.. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. Any politician who would base his campaign on |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. Not this. He knows that if he votes against it the repukes will use it |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-28-08 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
35. In that both were justified actions that enraged many liberals, yeah. |
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