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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 12:57 PM
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Here's What's Really Going On With Obama
Mods, I just got this sent to me by Matt Stoller in my email with no copyright. It was mass distributed by him through the myobama site http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/SenatorObama-PleaseVoteAgainstFISA and is for general widespread distribution, obviously


Here's what's really going on. It's important to push back on Obama so there's a counterforce within his administration.

best,

Matt

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6651

The Corroded Corruption at the Heart of Moving to the Center

There are several articles today on Obama moving to the center. In the LA Times, Obama is shifting toward the center, several pundits discussed Obama's recent political triangulating. Will Marshall of the DLC, Thomas Mann at the Brookings Institution, and Matt Bennett of Third Way all effusively praise Obama's repudiation of his own earlier statements on NAFTA and FISA. Marshall noted that "I've been struck by the speed and decisiveness of his move to the center." Indeed. Bennett commented that Obama is "doing all he can to make sure people know he would govern as a post-partisan moderate."

I won't delve into the DLC, as that terrain has been well-trod. To give some frame of reference on Third Way and Matt Bennett, it's worth noting that Bennett destroyed the Wes Clark campaign in 2004 as communications director, was pivotal in the loss to the NRA in his role in the triangulating Americans for Gun Safety (whose founding billionaire donor was indicted for embezzlement) around 2000, and works for an organization, Third Way, whose chairman strongly pushed the privatization of Social Security from within the Democratic Party in 2005. Third Way is funded by executives by all the top Wall Street firm in business: Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and a variety of private investment, hedge fund, and private equity shops.

Bennett is such a loser and a failure that he got his start in politics working as an advance man for Michael Dukakis, and he "keeps the jumpsuit from the tank moment in his closet as a souvenir." Bennett is truly a man dedicated to ensuring that the status quo remains as is, and he's paid well by powerful financial interests to be such a loser.

The other article is in the Washington Post, and it is titled 'In Campaign, One Man's Pragmatism Is Another's Flip-Flopping'. In this article, it's Tom Daschle who puts out the moderate credentialing argument.

"Those who accomplish the most are those who don't make the perfect the enemy of the good," said former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle, a key Obama supporter. "Barack is a pragmatist. In that sense, he has a larger vision but oftentimes knows that we can't get there with one legislative effort. When these occasions arise, he is willing to accept progress, even marginal gain, as a step toward that vision."

Tom Daschle, a former Senate Majority leader, is widely liked in DC. He's considered a lovely man, wise and with a wide network of supporters and loyalists that were fighting the Clinton wing of the party in the 1990s through Congress. Of course, Daschle is also known as a key supporter of the Iraq war, co-sponsoring and jamming through the Iraq War resolution, undercutting Joe Biden's attempt to push a different resolution requiring UN authorization before the President was authorized to use force. It's possible to see this as just a bad political decision, but there's more behind the scenes.

His wife, Linda Daschle is a lobbyist for pharmaceutical industries, aerospace, and defense contractors. During her husband's time as a key political leader within the Democratic Party, she pledged to remain independent of her husband's work, but that kind of conflict of interest, with a Senate Majority leader married to a defense contracting lobbyist is pretty severe.

It's quite obvious that Daschle didn't take the conflict of interest very seriously, as he did very well after leaving the Senate in 2004, joining K Street law firm Alston and Bird to become a special advisor paid in the neighborhood of a million dollars a year to help in "the law firm's legislative and public policy group." He was recruited by another Alston and Bird's special advisor, Republican Presidential candidate Bob Dole. Daschle was an ally of corporate interests in Congress, literally married to them in fact. And outside of Congress, he reaped a rich reward.

The kicker of course, is that Alston and Bird did work lobbying on immunity for telecoms on FISA, even serving as a recruitment bed for the McCain campaign. And that's what is really going on. Bribery. Tom Daschle goes in the Washington Post and makes the argument that Obama is being pragmatic by caving to big business on a core issue of civil liberties. He preaches the virtues of bipartisanship while working at a firm whose McCain supporting lawyers also support immunity for telecom interests. Meanwhile, Daschle and his wife are and did make enormous sums of money lobbying for the firms benefiting from Obama's so-called pragmatism. It's a sick, perverted, corroded system whereby perpetual political losers like Matt Bennett and affable status quo lobbyists like Tom Daschle push their agenda through journalists like Jonathan Weisman, without any disclosure whatsoever about possible conflicts of interest. And it's bipartisan and flows through the leadership of both parties.

Tom Daschle is going to end up in a powerful position within the Obama administration, either head of HHS or Chief of Staff. He's going to use the millions he and his wife have made to throw parties, give gifts, have a wonderful life, go to important conferences like Davos, and generally preach in favor of 'moderation' and 'bipartisanship'. What's important here is that we on OpenLeft and in the blogs in general be educated about who these people really are. Tom Daschle's belief is that moderation and moving to the center is pragmatic, and it is. Or at least it is for Tom Daschle. How else would he make a million dollars a year with his friend Bob Dole?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:02 PM
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1. "really" going on?
All due respect, but for anyone to claim they know what is "really" going on is a bit presumptuous.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:18 PM
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4. Are you disputing Daschle's ties to the telecoms? Or what is your point? Did you
already know the information presented?

Or is a lack of complete and all encompassing knowledge a good reason to just do nothing?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:28 PM
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6. I am saying that the author (of the post or link or both) can't know what is "really" going on
I suppose I am interpreting the word "really" a bit more literally than the average bear.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:35 PM
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8. It sounds as if you are intent on distracting from the points the article is making. Or
perhaps you are suffering from a personality disorder that makes you nitpick .


Either way it doesn't contribute much to discussion or understanding.

Thanks for the kick though.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:30 PM
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7. It's probably the CONCLUSIONS that the poster
is questioning. Not the few facts as presented.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:03 PM
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2. Mikhail Gorbachev eom
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:12 PM
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3. Obama isn't moving to the center.
He's moving more to the right.

He was never to the left, ever.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:25 PM
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5. He's been on the left a number of times. More so before he entered the US Senate, to be sure.
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 01:26 PM by John Q. Citizen
Have you read Dreams of My Father?

Do you know who the New Party was?

Ever attend Camp Obama?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:39 PM
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10. No but some of us expected him to at least stick to the center right n/t
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:36 PM
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9. Don't know exactly how to take this... but
it makes me hope for Joe Biden as VP. This is the rare man who has not used his position to enrich himself.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:41 PM
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11. That's true. What I hope for even more is that the grass roots provides a counter balance to
the elites.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:42 PM
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12. "Tom Daschle is going to end up in a powerful position within the Obama administration,...
...either head of HHS or Chief of Staff."

Says who? Any proof of that whatsoever?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:54 PM
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13. I say book mark it, and if it doesn't pan out write Stoller and ask him to mea culpa.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:35 PM
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14. I say don't put forth opinions and guesses as fact.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:30 PM
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15. If it proved to be true, I'll be awaiting your public apology to Mr. Stoller. It appears that
Daschle, who has been extremely involved in the Obama campaign, making surrogate appearances all over the media, and acting as a spokesperson will in fact have a large role to play in any Obama administration.

For all you know Stoller may have it from inside the campaign that Daschle is in line for a job.

So you are just guessing the it is a guess, and it's your opinion that it's only an opinion.

That doesn't seem to stop you though.


So why should a different standard apply to you?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 08:25 PM
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17. Please, hold your waiting breath for it.
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 08:29 PM by AZBlue
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:32 PM
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16. Please link to the specific NAFTA comments where he supposeldy moved his position.
I see this accusation on DU. I never see a source or specific quote. Please link it.

What's going on is a lot of spin from groups who think pressuring Obama to move left is more important than winning the election.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:17 AM
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20. How was your Unite of Change meeting today? Mine was great. We had about 30-32 people there,
the DNC coordinator for Western Montana was there, (we are buds from camp Obama. We always talk politics) the new Obama regional field director was there, and a whole lot of folks supporting Obama and wanting to work to get him elected were there. The food was good and so was the company.

I got 22 signatures on my petition asking Obama to reconsider his stance on the FISA bill. Lots of folks thanked me for doing it. along with the hostess. She and her grown kids all signed.

Of the few who refused, a few wanted more information on FISA, so I directed them to where they could find it, and a couple of people felt it would somehow be disloyal to Obama to ask him to consider reconsidering the legislation. They wanted to leave it all up to Obama, and felt that they really shouldn't have any say about it. Which is fine.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortune/easton_obama.fortune/

Google is your friend, my helpless one.

Fortune Magazine Power Play by Nina Easton

Obama: NAFTA not so bad after all
The Democratic nominee, in an interview with Fortune, says he wants free trade "to work for all people."
By Nina Easton, Washington editor

Last Updated: June 18, 2008: 3:00 PM EDT


WASHINGTON (Fortune) -- The general campaign is on, independent voters are up for grabs, and Barack Obama is toning down his populist rhetoric - at least when it comes to free trade.

In an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine's upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee backed off his harshest attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn't want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA.

"Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.

Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? "Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he answered.

Obama says he believes in "opening up a dialogue" with trading partners Canada and Mexico "and figuring to how we can make this work for all people."


So seriously, how was your Unite for Change meeting? Did you find out the strategy for your area?

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:55 PM
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18. Sorry, but a blog isn't necessarily credible. I could post theat John Q. Citizen is a one-trick pony
on DU and it could go out to thousands, but that doesn't make it so.



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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:20 AM
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21. If you found something you believe to be un-credible, dish it up? What info do you suspect?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:57 PM
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19. Obama is on the left. More so than the last 5 Democratic candidates for president.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:20 AM
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22. Well then he should vote like it, agreed?
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:35 AM
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23. If Daschle is so with the program why was he sent anthrax.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:56 AM
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25. um, that was back in 2001, when he wasn't with the program. It got him on fast.
Seriously, who knows?

Elites have to make money too I guess, but that shouldn't preclude us proles doing some pushing on our own should it?

You know, Barack says we have to believe in our abilities to make change. I take him at his word. I don't translate that to mean I should leave it all up to him or somebody else.

Barack has said many times he isn't perfect.

And when the people who support him perceive him as being enough less than perfect, then we need to push.

I think Barack needs to get back to his roots on this FISA thing, and Daschle can just go find some other group to lobby for.

It's hurting Barack with the people who are most on his side. People like me who actually spent 200 hours knocking on doors, calling and driving, as a volunteer.

I earned the right to call Barack on his shit.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:38 AM
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24. Sorry, but I have to put you on ignore. You are like a fucking broken record!
Geeze. And I thought I wouldn't need to use ignore anymore.

Singles issue voters will be the death of all of us.


Bye John Q Citizen,

See you in November....or maybe not.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:59 AM
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26. How was your Unite for Change meeting Frenchy? Or were you on your computer all day?
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